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	<title>Comments on: American Flag Hydrant Removed From Dog Park</title>
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		<title>By: Noj gnal</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-243423</link>
		<author>Noj gnal</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-243423</guid>
		<description>America has become too sensitive.  How many of the people who complained were veterans?</description>
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		<title>By: king</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-156821</link>
		<author>king</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-156821</guid>
		<description>yeah lis i agree with me!!!</description>
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		<title>By: king</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-156818</link>
		<author>king</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-156818</guid>
		<description>yeah lis i agree with me!!!Get a life!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah lis i agree with me!!!Get a life!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62999</link>
		<author>Me</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62999</guid>
		<description>Lis,
You are the reason for stupid issues being publicized so much and blown out of proportion. It is a tribute to a police dog and everyone knows that dogs and hydrants go hand and hand. You wrote "That would make sense if he were a fire house dog, but he wasnâ€™t; he was a police dog. Why not a a red, white, and blue representation of a police car?" Do you honestly think a police car can be painted on a tall skinny fire hydrant... maybe if it was sideways. Also, the flag simply represents the USA and the dedicated police force including their K9 dogs in protecting the USA which is symbolized by a red, white and blue flag. 

You also wrote "This was just a dumb idea, and itâ€™s not surprising that it came back to bite them."

That was extremely RUDE and out of line to write that. Do you often donate your time or money to special contributions? Apparently not.. I am sure the person that painted this spend countless hours perfecting this for a good cause.

I guarantee you if you take a vote, as did KGW news which took an online poll. The results were "ridiculous" about the pulling of the fire hydrant. Why don't the dog owners themselves take some ownership and make sure they know where their dogs are peeing? If they want to out of respect for the flag, make sure you know where your dog is relieving itself. 

Nevertheless, the resolution has come. It is now guarded by a 3 foot black iron rod fence to satisfy the people out there that have nothing else to do but BIT** about things! Get a life and get over it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lis,<br />
You are the reason for stupid issues being publicized so much and blown out of proportion. It is a tribute to a police dog and everyone knows that dogs and hydrants go hand and hand. You wrote &#8220;That would make sense if he were a fire house dog, but he wasnâ€™t; he was a police dog. Why not a a red, white, and blue representation of a police car?&#8221; Do you honestly think a police car can be painted on a tall skinny fire hydrant&#8230; maybe if it was sideways. Also, the flag simply represents the USA and the dedicated police force including their K9 dogs in protecting the USA which is symbolized by a red, white and blue flag. </p>
<p>You also wrote &#8220;This was just a dumb idea, and itâ€™s not surprising that it came back to bite them.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was extremely RUDE and out of line to write that. Do you often donate your time or money to special contributions? Apparently not.. I am sure the person that painted this spend countless hours perfecting this for a good cause.</p>
<p>I guarantee you if you take a vote, as did KGW news which took an online poll. The results were &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; about the pulling of the fire hydrant. Why don&#8217;t the dog owners themselves take some ownership and make sure they know where their dogs are peeing? If they want to out of respect for the flag, make sure you know where your dog is relieving itself. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, the resolution has come. It is now guarded by a 3 foot black iron rod fence to satisfy the people out there that have nothing else to do but BIT** about things! Get a life and get over it!</p>
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		<title>By: L.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62755</link>
		<author>L.B.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62755</guid>
		<description>Lis, thanks for your opinion, I'll give much more consideration before posting a comment in the future, it was a spur-of-the-moment thing.  After reading account upon account of what is continuing to happen to animals (and humans) who are physically hurt, sickened, and killed,... when I came upon this article where people were in an uproar over the hydrant, and no one is being physically hurt, I was like, give me a break.

It won't happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lis, thanks for your opinion, I&#8217;ll give much more consideration before posting a comment in the future, it was a spur-of-the-moment thing.  After reading account upon account of what is continuing to happen to animals (and humans) who are physically hurt, sickened, and killed,&#8230; when I came upon this article where people were in an uproar over the hydrant, and no one is being physically hurt, I was like, give me a break.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Flag Hydrant Reinstalled In Oregon Dog Park &#124; Itchmo: News For Dogs &#38; Cats</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62723</link>
		<author>Flag Hydrant Reinstalled In Oregon Dog Park &#124; Itchmo: News For Dogs &#38; Cats</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62723</guid>
		<description>[...] this week, an American flag-painted fire hydrant was removed from an Oregon dog park due to complaints from local residents that dogs would urinate on the hydrant. Now, the fire [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] this week, an American flag-painted fire hydrant was removed from an Oregon dog park due to complaints from local residents that dogs would urinate on the hydrant. Now, the fire [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62654</link>
		<author>Lis</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62654</guid>
		<description>L.B., oddly enough, we're not required to care about just one thing, and caring about more than just one thing doesn't mean we're hypocritical or insincere in our concern about the "more important" thing. The amount of national uproar over tainted pet food was pretty impressive, given how the companies and the govt. tried to bury it and the media mostly ignored it, when it was just pet food--and now, as more and more things are being affected, there's more and more attention being paid.

But, at the same time, there's this comparatively small matter of the flag-painted fire hydrant in the dog park, which many people &lt;i&gt;in that area&lt;/i&gt; find to be bad symbolism, which five minutes' thought would have told the park planners would strike many people as bad symbolism, and there's some uproar over that--a totally local uproar for a totally local issue, getting some non-local attention only because Itchmo picked it up. Shocking! But you know what? Not only does it not mean that all those people nationally who complained abou the pet food don't really care about the safety of  their  pets' food; it doesn't even mean that the peple &lt;i&gt;in that area, who are complaining about the fire hydrant&lt;/i&gt; don't care about the safety of their pets' food. It just means they object to that paricular symbolism, which really truly does not seem to  me to be particularly respectful of &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt; the hero dog, or the flag.

"There are more important things to worry about" can be used to disparage almost any public complaint, and it's nearly always true. Name any other concern you like, and I can trump it by pointing out that, if we don't do something about the problem of Earth-orbit-crossing asteroids and comets, we may not be here in a year or two to worry about your "lesser" concern. That doesn't make it a valid, or even especially honest, criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L.B., oddly enough, we&#8217;re not required to care about just one thing, and caring about more than just one thing doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re hypocritical or insincere in our concern about the &#8220;more important&#8221; thing. The amount of national uproar over tainted pet food was pretty impressive, given how the companies and the govt. tried to bury it and the media mostly ignored it, when it was just pet food&#8211;and now, as more and more things are being affected, there&#8217;s more and more attention being paid.</p>
<p>But, at the same time, there&#8217;s this comparatively small matter of the flag-painted fire hydrant in the dog park, which many people <i>in that area</i> find to be bad symbolism, which five minutes&#8217; thought would have told the park planners would strike many people as bad symbolism, and there&#8217;s some uproar over that&#8211;a totally local uproar for a totally local issue, getting some non-local attention only because Itchmo picked it up. Shocking! But you know what? Not only does it not mean that all those people nationally who complained abou the pet food don&#8217;t really care about the safety of  their  pets&#8217; food; it doesn&#8217;t even mean that the peple <i>in that area, who are complaining about the fire hydrant</i> don&#8217;t care about the safety of their pets&#8217; food. It just means they object to that paricular symbolism, which really truly does not seem to  me to be particularly respectful of <i>either</i> the hero dog, or the flag.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are more important things to worry about&#8221; can be used to disparage almost any public complaint, and it&#8217;s nearly always true. Name any other concern you like, and I can trump it by pointing out that, if we don&#8217;t do something about the problem of Earth-orbit-crossing asteroids and comets, we may not be here in a year or two to worry about your &#8220;lesser&#8221; concern. That doesn&#8217;t make it a valid, or even especially honest, criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: L.B.</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62603</link>
		<author>L.B.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62603</guid>
		<description>Somehow I can't see why there has been a public uproar over this, it's a dog park for God's sake, the hydrant looks cool to me, and so what if dogs pee on it, that's what dogs do.  (I hope it's not painted with high-lead paint though!)

The situation of toxins in our &#38; our pets' food, consumer products, packaging, and outdated/inaccurate/incompetent testing methods, and corruption on just about every level,... that's what's worthy of a public uproar.  That's more of a disgrace to the flag and to America and even to the memory of the police dog, in my opinion, than dogs doing their business on a flag-inspired hydrant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I can&#8217;t see why there has been a public uproar over this, it&#8217;s a dog park for God&#8217;s sake, the hydrant looks cool to me, and so what if dogs pee on it, that&#8217;s what dogs do.  (I hope it&#8217;s not painted with high-lead paint though!)</p>
<p>The situation of toxins in our &amp; our pets&#8217; food, consumer products, packaging, and outdated/inaccurate/incompetent testing methods, and corruption on just about every level,&#8230; that&#8217;s what&#8217;s worthy of a public uproar.  That&#8217;s more of a disgrace to the flag and to America and even to the memory of the police dog, in my opinion, than dogs doing their business on a flag-inspired hydrant.</p>
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		<title>By: Moony</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62585</link>
		<author>Moony</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62585</guid>
		<description>Seems to me a more appropriate memorial would have been a German Shepherd (or whichever breed he was) statue, possibly painted the way the hydrant currently is.  It wouldn't even have to be a big one, but perhaps on a pedestal with a plaque.

Seems to me a hydrant is just asking for people to urge their dogs to pee on it, aside from a dog's regular urge to pee on just about anything upright.  Those 'deterrent' kind of bushes never worked on my small dog, who'd just climb right over and crap on top of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me a more appropriate memorial would have been a German Shepherd (or whichever breed he was) statue, possibly painted the way the hydrant currently is.  It wouldn&#8217;t even have to be a big one, but perhaps on a pedestal with a plaque.</p>
<p>Seems to me a hydrant is just asking for people to urge their dogs to pee on it, aside from a dog&#8217;s regular urge to pee on just about anything upright.  Those &#8216;deterrent&#8217; kind of bushes never worked on my small dog, who&#8217;d just climb right over and crap on top of them.</p>
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		<title>By: bengals</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62529</link>
		<author>bengals</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62529</guid>
		<description>point taken Lis.

It does look like it's a tombstone...as it's sitting up on a cement block -- perhaps if they also included a plaque in front of it, it wouldn't have offended so many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>point taken Lis.</p>
<p>It does look like it&#8217;s a tombstone&#8230;as it&#8217;s sitting up on a cement block &#8212; perhaps if they also included a plaque in front of it, it wouldn&#8217;t have offended so many.</p>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62506</link>
		<author>Lis</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62506</guid>
		<description>So the best symbol of a dog--any dog, including a heroic police dog who died in the line of duty--is something dogs regularly pee on, and therefore painting one of those things like a flag and putting it in a dog park, is &lt;i&gt;respectful&lt;/i&gt; of both the flag and the hero dog, but treating the flag like the genuine political symbol it is, and using it with thoughtful intent in something that the Supreme Court, even if not bengals, recognizes as political speech, is not respectful.

Well, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the best symbol of a dog&#8211;any dog, including a heroic police dog who died in the line of duty&#8211;is something dogs regularly pee on, and therefore painting one of those things like a flag and putting it in a dog park, is <i>respectful</i> of both the flag and the hero dog, but treating the flag like the genuine political symbol it is, and using it with thoughtful intent in something that the Supreme Court, even if not bengals, recognizes as political speech, is not respectful.</p>
<p>Well, whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Radcliff, Allie, Luna, &#38; Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62500</link>
		<author>Radcliff, Allie, Luna, &#38; Ozzie</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62500</guid>
		<description>We don't frequent Dog Parks, for what we assume are pretty obvious reasons.

But if there is any kind of 'main entrance' to the dog area, we think putting the hydrant sculpture somewhere by that entrance would be a reasonable alternative.  That way, fans and friends of Hondo would be able to see his memorial when they visit.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t frequent Dog Parks, for what we assume are pretty obvious reasons.</p>
<p>But if there is any kind of &#8216;main entrance&#8217; to the dog area, we think putting the hydrant sculpture somewhere by that entrance would be a reasonable alternative.  That way, fans and friends of Hondo would be able to see his memorial when they visit.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: bengals</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62497</link>
		<author>bengals</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62497</guid>
		<description>whatever Lis -- burning the flag is NOT speech.

in MY opinion, the firehydrant IS a symbol of a dog...as Im sure this police dog was probably a frequent to many firehydrants and is probably why that was chosen to represent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever Lis &#8212; burning the flag is NOT speech.</p>
<p>in MY opinion, the firehydrant IS a symbol of a dog&#8230;as Im sure this police dog was probably a frequent to many firehydrants and is probably why that was chosen to represent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62493</link>
		<author>Lis</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62493</guid>
		<description>Burning the flag constitutes political speech, which is explicitly protected under the Constitution that the flag is a symbol of. A dog peeing on a hydrant is merely some human's failure to think things through adequately. Failure to think things through does not have explicit Constitutional protection.

Since the intent was simply to honor the police dog, and not to make some sort of weird political statement, they'd have been better advised from the beginning to paint something &lt;i&gt;else&lt;/i&gt; like a flag. Why did they choose the fire hydrant, anyway? That would make sense if he were a fire house dog, but he wasn't; he was a police dog. Why not a a red, white, and blue representation of a police car?

This was just a dumb idea, and it's not surprising that it came back to bite them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burning the flag constitutes political speech, which is explicitly protected under the Constitution that the flag is a symbol of. A dog peeing on a hydrant is merely some human&#8217;s failure to think things through adequately. Failure to think things through does not have explicit Constitutional protection.</p>
<p>Since the intent was simply to honor the police dog, and not to make some sort of weird political statement, they&#8217;d have been better advised from the beginning to paint something <i>else</i> like a flag. Why did they choose the fire hydrant, anyway? That would make sense if he were a fire house dog, but he wasn&#8217;t; he was a police dog. Why not a a red, white, and blue representation of a police car?</p>
<p>This was just a dumb idea, and it&#8217;s not surprising that it came back to bite them.</p>
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		<title>By: bengals</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62491</link>
		<author>bengals</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/american-flag-hydrant-removed-from-dog-park-3105#comment-62491</guid>
		<description>good grief... like we don't have enough cr*p to fuss about...  

ok, and burning the American Flag is OK????  I'd rather see a dog pee on this than see someone within the US burning our flag...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good grief&#8230; like we don&#8217;t have enough cr*p to fuss about&#8230;  </p>
<p>ok, and burning the American Flag is OK????  I&#8217;d rather see a dog pee on this than see someone within the US burning our flag&#8230;</p>
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