WHY CAN’T OUR SOCIETY WORK ON HUMAN TRIALS, WHAT CAN BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH ON WHAT REALLY WORKS ON HUMANS. WE HAVE SO MANY PRISIONERS THAT ARE NOT FIT TO BE PUT BACK INTO SOCIETY, WHY CAN’T WE USE THEM AS GINNIE PIGS ON TESTING OUT NEW MEDICATIONS??? INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM HUMANE BLOOD SUCKERS OF SOCIETY LIVE FREE IN OUR PRISION SYSTEM AND WILL NEVER BE REFORMED TO BE PART OF SOCIETY, ESPECIALLY, SERIAL KILLERS AND CHILD RAPISTS AND REPEAT MURDERS, WE CAN USE THEM FOR MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS. THIS WAY WE KNOW THAT THE MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS ARE GOING TO WORK ON HUMANS, SINCE IT’S BEING TREATED ON HUMANS AND SINCE THEY ARE WORTHLESS HUMANS THAT ARE KILLERS, WE CAN ALL SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING, THAT WHAT EVER IS DONE TO THEM, IS JUSTIFIABLE.

WHY CAN’T OUR SOCIETY PASS A LAW THAT IF YOU ARE FOUND GUILTY OF BEING A SERIAL KILLER, CHILD RAPIST, SEX OFFENDER, THAT YOU WILL BE USED AS A MEDICAL LAB ANIMAL. BELIEVE ME, THIS WAY, THEY WILL BE SERVING THE SOCIETY, INSTEAD OF STAYING BEHIND BARS AND USING UP TAX DOLLARS AND BECOMING MORE MENTALLY ILL TO COMMIT OTHER MONSTEROUS CRIMES. USE CRIMINALLY INSANE PRISONERS AS MEDICAL TEST SUBJECTS, SO WE CAN ALL SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT.

Guaranteed ROI

I am also a pet lover who currently takes care of cats and dogs. I have shared my home with pet rats (adopted after an experiment ended), birds, and lizards over the years.

Most of my fellow students and faculty are similar. We have families and pets of our own at home. We have a respect for life and for the animals we use — if you don’t feel awe at the complexity of life, you do not become a scientist. If you don’t appreciate the similarity between animals and people, you aren’t a very good scientist.

I’ll let you in on some inside information — most scientists do not enjoy hurting and killing animals. If science had advanced to the point where we didn’t need to use animals, most researchers wouldn’t. Animal research not only is unenjoyable, but it’s much more expensive than experiments that don’t use animals. The link that was mentioned earlier about the scalded monkey is disgusting, and it is true that some abuses occur, but I have worked my entire career in reputable and well-run animal facilities, and never seen any gratuitous maltreatment of research animals.

Someone brought up computer modeling as an alternative. Computer modeling does work for some things, but a computer model is only as good as the information that you already have to put into it. Bodies are incredibly complex. Individual systems and organs are slightly less complex. Single cells are less complex still — but one cell is so unfathomably intricate that scientists only know a little bit about how cells work. So animals still have to be used, to find out the basic information about how the body actually works, and how different drugs might interact with parts of the body, that might go into computer models. Furthermore, any model that was as good as pre-clinical animal trials at finding dangerous side effects of drugs would end up being so immensely complicated that no computer that currently exists in the world would be powerful enough to run the simulation in a useful amount of time. The model would have to include all the interactions between all the proteins in all the cells of all the systems of the body.

At the moment, animal research is the only hope we have of understanding how our brains (and the rest of our bodies work), and is our best hope for curing terrible diseases like Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, schizophrenia, and virtually any other currently-incurable disease you can think of. I love animals, but I value humans more than mice. Having watched people suffer through horrible deaths from long-lasting, devastating illnesses, I’m willing to do whatever it takes to save my fellow humans from that fate. Animals will be helped too — my dog’s life was saved last year with medicines that were developed using animal research. If you truly oppose finding cures for terrible illnesses, then I suggest that you continue supporting anti-research groups. I also hope that you are a vegan, and that you don’t go to the doctor when you are ill — any treatment you are likely to receive would have come from research performed in animals.

What was done to Dario Ringach was terrible and disgusting. Even if “animal rights” terrorists want to kill me and my colleagues, they lose all credibility when they attack our homes, where our families and our pets also live. Do my children and my dogs deserve to be threatened in their house because my moral compass does not align with the ALF? This sort of terrorism may drive some researchers out of our field, which is a tragedy resulting in the deaths of patients for whom cures will now come too late, but many of us will never give in to a terrorist’s agenda. In the end, the terrorists just defeat themselves — stifling legitimate dialogues between researchers and animal-rights activists that could actually result in lessening animal use without jeopardizing the validity of our research, and compromising their own moral principles. A group of people committed to ending the unnecessary suffering of living beings that feel pain should not be fire-bombing their fellow humans’ houses.

Most of us at least would be in agreement that making sure that what experiments are done are not painful is a priority and that budgets and institution prestige is secondary to that concern.

Also laboratory confinement for certain species of animals causes suffering even in the best situations, and should be limited and done only when there is a very tangible benefit to animals or humans as a whole.

Both sides on the polarized ends of the spectrum on this issue need to follow the law and if public funding is involved, then the researchers must honor Freedom of Information Act requests. UCLA is not doing so currently. There is no good reason for them to provocative or arrogant towards the public.

It was FOIA obtained documents that blew the whistle on the abuses at the University of WA. The public has a right to know if their money is being spent unwisely or cruelly. There is plenty of private money available for biotech research, anyway. The Gates Foundation just donated 25 million to research at WSU and another several million to GMO rice research being done in the Phillipines.

I am beginning to question whether or not public monies should be allocated to certain types of research at all in the U.S. The public does not have equal access to health care in this country and few will benefit from research to extend lifespans or cure rare disorders as only a fraction of those few that get those rare diseases can afford treatment.

I think we should spend more money on basic public health and rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure now. We could also help more people’s health overall by increasing access to healthy foods.

I think the reason so much extremism exists on both sides of the issue is that moderates have been keeping their heads in the sand and pretending that vested interest groups can monitor and regulate themselves.

Same thing with the pet food industry and we know how that has worked out.

Don Earl, I have been telling people this from the beginning of the pet food recall. I even wrote IAMs and told them they should have known and caught it. Of course I was totally ignored by them. But it felt good to write the accusation to them and the FDA. You are right that it is a hard call as to whether we need animal testing or not etc. But we do need to try.

As for the persons threatening the university scientists this way, I can only say what I would tell my kids: TWO WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT!

Let us all work the best we know how to stand up for the innocent in this world. Let us study and understand the issues so we can intelligently debate them and know we have done our best to do what is right.

http://www.fortunecity.com/tin.....vigil.html

The enemy of the state then…

http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/list/128_migm.html
“Dorothea Lange’s “Migrant Mother” Photographs in the Farm Security Administration Collection: An Overview
The photograph that has become known as “Migrant Mother” is one of a series of photographs that Dorothea Lange made of Florence Owens Thompson and her children in February or March of 1936 in Nipomo, California. Lange was concluding a month’s trip photographing migratory farm labor around the state for what was then the Resettlement Administration. In 1960, Lange gave this account of the experience:

I saw and approached the hungry and desperate mother, as if drawn by a magnet. I do not remember how I explained my presence or my camera to her, but I do remember she asked me no questions. I made five exposures, working closer and closer from the same direction. I did not ask her name or her history. She told me her age, that she was thirty-two. She said that they had been living on frozen vegetables from the surrounding fields, and birds that the children killed. She had just sold the tires from her car to buy food. There she sat in that lean- to tent with her children huddled around her, and seemed to know that my pictures might help her, and so she helped me. There was a sort of equality about it. (From: Popular Photography, Feb. 1960).”

The government is in cahoots with industrty to hide the truth about “animal enterprises.” — what they are afraid of is the truth getting out.

Stef

Actually, Kent State was a sunny Sunday stroll along the beach compared to other events in our Nation’s history.

For an overview of the history of labor in the US, this one should knock the rose colored glass out of most views of how things work in a “free country”.

http://www.lutins.org/labor.html

Oops! I forgot. Unions are evil. I know it’s true as I heard it on General Electric owned NBC network, with controls 35% of the US media, and also happens to be one of the biggest defense contractors on the face of the planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
“The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre,[2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. Four students were killed and nine others wounded, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]

Some of the students who were shot were protesting the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. However, other students who were shot were merely walking nearby or observing the protest at a distance.[6][7]

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of eight million students, and the event further divided the country along political lines.”
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“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”
— Abraham Lincoln

Several years ago I participated in a animal rights march.

You would not believe the security…police….sheriff…helicopters etc.

The only violence I saw was that perpetuated by the police.

They shot off tear gas with no provocation. ..shot off rubber bullets and nearly put out an eye…then made a horse back charge on a group that was simply standing on the sidewalk. I had to run to keep from being trampled by either a horse or the fleeing crowd.

They tried to herd a large crowd down a narrow barrier….like so many cattle….and one was accidently knocked over….and this is when the police let go with the tear gas etc.

I was threatened with arrest for the “crime” of sitting down on a bench by a parking garage.

The crowd was peaceful at all times….YET ….the next day the paper had an article about how the police had to control the demonstrators when we tried to charge the buiding.

This never happened as stated above.

And guess who is being targeted as terrorists….animal rights people.

Again….I have no use for AR people who threaten and break the law…but the vast majority do not.