Cornell Suspects Second Toxin, Still Unknown

The lead scientist at Cornell University’s College of Veterinary Medicine says he and other researchers saw a second contaminant but have yet to identify it.

So the non-melamine theory thickens.

“The concerted effort now is to identify what else is in there, and what’s in the crystals” of infected animals’ urine and tissue.

The FDA also says that they are dissapointed by the “slow and incomplete” Chinese responses.

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42 Responses to “Cornell Suspects Second Toxin, Still Unknown”

  1. Kirsten says:

    I would guess it is the same contaminant mentioned here by the University of Guelph:

    http://www.labservices.uoguelph.ca/urgent.cfm

    See the spectrography results pictured at the bottom of the page:

    “The following images are FTIR (Fourier transform infrared) spectra of spherical yellow urinary crystals from three different cats, demonstrating homology (Figure 1). Although we are currently unable to identify the crystals, they do not match common urinary crystals such as ammonium urate (Figure 2) or xanthine (Figure 3). Mass spectrometry has shown that these crystals contain ~30% melamine.”

  2. 5CatMom says:

    Yeah, that sounds right.

    Melamine, amnopterin, cypromazine, GM wheat, formaldehyde.

    Note to FDA: There’s a pattern here. Maybe some folks at the other end of our GLOBAL FOOD SUPPLY bought up the world’s supply of contaminated wheat and corn and dumped it on the US PET FOOD INDUSTRY.

    Since everyone in the world knows WE DON’T TEST for anything, and we routinely publish such information in the FEDERAL RESISTER for all the world to see, it would be an easy thing to do.

    Note to FDA: Also, please take a look at CORN GLUTEN, plus vitamins and other chemicals in pet food. If this stuff came in from China, and it all does, it’s likely contaminated as well.

    PET FOOD INDUSTRY - ARE YOU GUY AWAKE?

    Note to FDA: WHY IS THIS TAKING FOREVER?

  3. 5CatMom says:

    Good morning Dave,

    How are things at MENU FOODS INCOME FUND this morning?

    Looks like 5CatMom has an interesting theory. Exactly where do you get your CORN GLUTEN, vitamin D, etc. Did that stuff come from ChemNutra, “the China source experts”, too.

    Hope you have a big padlock. ‘Cause you’re gonna need to lock your doors when FDA shuts down your plant.

    I expect they’ll wait a while, though, until you guys have dumped your stock.

    By the way, have you checked with Purina to see how that BENEFUL testing is coming?

  4. Anonymous says:

    Russian Roulette with someone else pulling the trigger. Yeah, that fosters a lot of faith.

    Bless those keeping this in the light . Keep asking those questions- push for disclosure for both us and our companions.

  5. 5CatMom says:

    5CatMom called her US Senators yesterday and asked “what are you DOING about the pet food recall”?

    Would be great if everyone did. These folks need to hear from us, so maybe they’ll get off their butts and write some laws.

  6. Christi Alcox says:

    The FDA is disappointed with slow and incomplete responses? Pot, meet kettle.

  7. Debbie says:

    Listen up, Cornell and FDA,

    Let’s call a spade, a spade already!!! (”…suspects second toxin.” GET REAL!!!)

    It doesn’t take a so-called highly educated scientist to discover that those scienfically worded ingredeints in pet foods - on the pet food lables - are toxins (”contaminants”) that have been used in pet foods for YEARS!…and have been causing pet illnesses for YEARS!

    All you have to do is check out Wikipedia for the definition of: “etoxyquin,” “entercoccus faecium,” well, you get the idea…I hope! For goodness sake, the general public can do that!

    It doesn’t take a “genius” scientist to realize that both my pets died from renal failure - one in ‘98; the other in ‘05 - from diets of Alpo Beef Chunks w/gravy and Fancy Feast Beef w/gravy!…which, unknown to me at the time, contained (and still does) toxic ingredients!
    I guarantee the pet food companies’ scientists knew, but they weren’t about to say anything for fear of losing their jobs…and facing a possible lawsuit due to a secrecy clause with their respective companies.

    I think that when this all comes out in the wash, we’ll find out that this “new” all-of-a-sudden pet food “contamination” recall is thef final result of caring pet parents - bringing to light - by being smart enough to have their pets foods tested after their pets’ sad and untimely deaths, only to find out that these “contaminants” have been in pet foods for YEARS!
    Now these WEALTHY industries - finally caught with their pants down - are trying to find any new EXCUSE and playing the blame game for the cause.
    One day it’s this; another day it’s that??????…but never admitting to the YEARS of hard, truthful FACTS!

    FDA: no great wonder about the Chinese being slow with their reports. They’re in no hurry to take the total blame. After all, in the end, it is YOUR job to inspect properly…OR were you too busy getting paid the big bucks and letting things slide by like a typical govt. agency does????

    IF Congress does anything, heads should roll - we’ll wait and see!
    If not, then we’ll know for sure who is in “bed” with whom!

  8. Dee says:

    I doubt very much that corn or corn-based products are imported. We produce and process so much corn in this country (think ADM) that there’s little incentive, I would think, to import any. If you read the posts here & elsewhere about why 70% of wheat gluten is imported from elsewhere, that would be specific, I think, to wheat gluten — not corn gluten. We use a huge amount of corn-based derivatives in this country, so process that stuff at home. We don’t use as many wheat derivatives as they do in other countries, from what I’ve read. Mind you, this doesn’t speak to whether a corn-based diet is desirable for cats & dogs, but I would bet corn & its byproducts aren’t at the same risk in the case of contamination from China.

  9. 5CatMom says:

    Dee,

    Thanks for your input, but when you call the companies and ask them, and believe me, I have, they won’t tell you..

    You would think that if their grain is US grain, they’d be happy to let us know that.

    You might call and ask Purina (1-800-223-9485), and see what they say. Maybe you can get more information.

    Good luck. Let us know.

  10. Rocky says:

    Here’s Rocky’s morning STOCK report on MENU FOODS INCOME FUND:

    Looks like menu is down a bit this morning. Shares are currently trading at $4.05 (CAN). That’s a NET LOSS (so far) of 5.81%.

    It should be an interesting day. Rocky would like to report on insider trading activity, but that information is not available today.

    http://stocks.us.reuters.com/s.....l=MEW_u.TO

  11. Dee says:

    5CatMom, I asked a friend of mine at ADM about this question specifically…he told me that Purina gets ALL their corn from ADM, produced in the U.S.

  12. Douglass Goodale says:

    01741

  13. 5CatMom says:

    Dee,

    Thanks for getting that info. It’s good to know.

    Maybe Purina has eliminated corn as a potential problem with BENEFUL.
    They were running lots of tests last week, but no specifics were available.

    It’s frustrating that companies are so secretative when you call and ask them questions.

    After all, we aren’t the enemy, we’re their customers.

  14. Lorie says:

    Just called this morning and reportrd my 2 cats became ill on March 23rd from new case of Fancy Feast Elegant medlies Chicken Florintine,still not on the list they ask me to send them one of the cans for testing…………….still cannot get thru to FDA. My 2 cats need to be rechecked for any permanent damage to their kidneys on April 16th. This whole thing is a total nightmare. I am scared to death to feed them anything tried cooking for them and they are not happy with that so I have resorted to Merrick foods without gravy and hold my breath. I am not brave enough to add a dry food to the mix yet. Anyone have a safe dry they trust?

  15. AZSue says:

    Lorie:

    I was impressed with Kumpikat’s web site. I’m thinking about trying this dry food. Someone mentioned it in a post somewhere! When you read this website, you will definitely be impressed. http://kumpikat.com/

    At the moment I am having good luck with Diamond’s “Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover’s Soul and Wysong’s “Vitality”. Both are dry foods and holistic. However, I am watching my cats like a hawk for any abnormalities, since I have just switched to this food a couple of weeks ago.

    Side note to 5CatMom: In this litigious society that we live in, I believe that they DO see us as the enemy. It’s called the CYA syndrome (Cover Your Ass). To those of us that are basically good, honest, truthful people…we just don’t understand their CYA attitudes when it affects the members of our family. But, if you listen very carefully, you can almost hear their lawyers telling them to, “SAY NOTHING!” The only thing that they really care about is their profit margin…not us and not our pets.

    Big Sigh…..

    Sue

  16. Iluvmypets says:

    My cat has incurred a very large vet bill for a month now..he is still barely hanging on…he had been eating publix brand cat food (3oz) cans…I had emailed publix concerning the wheat gluten in the beef cans and def. no response from them…and sure enough I read their website and it has been recalled, I went to their store twice and asked about it, and the response was if it is on the shelf it has not been recalled…As of this morning my lapso got sick yesterday, throwing up and barely able to walk, he had been eating beneful the last 2 or so weeks, has that been recalled????..Ps my cat was diagnosed with alot of kidney crystals

  17. informedcatlover says:

    Lorie, DON’T feed dry! That’s as bad as feeding all the tainted garbage - see www.catinfo.org for the reasons. This site is written by a vet, and the info there is not something she dreamed up, but factual info that deals with the actual psysiology of the cat.

    There are lots of good foods not on the list - there are 11 varieties of Fancy Feast with no wheat gluten and no veggies or other crap in them here: http://www.felinediabetes.com/glutenfree.htm We feed them to our diabetic cats. None of them are made by Menu and none of them have wheat gluten or corn gluten. The Elegant Medleys are garbage, with all kinds of stuff cats don’t need.

    Once you understand that cats are obligate carnivores and don’t need grains of any kind, you’ll have cats that are a whole lot healthier.

    A little known fact: in all the years that vets go to school to become a vet, they get only 5 HOURS of nutritional training, and that is for all animals, not just cats. They depend on - yep, you got it - the FOOD COMPANIES to tell them what to feed.

    Current AAFCO regulations require a food company to put 8 cats on one variety of their food for 6 months. If at the end of 6 months, 6 of those cats are alive and well, the food is considered “good to feed for the life of the cat” and the AAFCO approval covers all of that manufacturers food lines! Is that a crock, or what? So, by those standards, if 6 teenagers eat hamburgers for six months and survive, that means hamburgers are OK to feed for life? Anyone see anything wrong with that reasoning?

    If you really care about your cats, help us put some muscle in the testing and labeling requirements: http://www.petfoodcrusade.com/

  18. Debbie says:

    Thanks, Rocky!
    You are a gem for posting Menu’s stock report! Does my heart good to know they’re going DOWN!…where they belong for good!!!!

    LORIE, I came across and purchased “Natural Balance” (dry) for my dog, but my local pet food store doesn’t carry that brand (wet or dry) for my 9 cats. BUT fortunately, they are “special ordering” it for me. Perhaps if you have a local, small pet food chain in your area, they would do the same for you OR you can order from “NB’s” website.

    ILUVMYPETS, you can bet your last dollar that Beneful and ALL of the major pet food companies with ALL of their products should be automatically considered to be on the recall list.
    My cat, who passed away in ‘05, was also dx’d w/ a lot of kidney crystals. My vet told me the only thing that would pass them is if she ate a pet food specially formulated for kidney conditions. Unfortunately, my cat was too sick to eat…even though she was under veterinary care. Btw, that same specially formulated kidney food, Hill’s Science Diet, is now on the recall list.
    Please keep hope for your cat…and do NOT give him (her) cranberry juice that is known to be effective for humans with kidney stones, but has an adverse reaction in cats for the same. You need to find out what will help pass those crystals. Perhaps you can call a university in your state that specializes in teaching veterinary medicine.

    Ok, people, here’s a “goody” coming up…

  19. mgm says:

    My vet called yesterday to say that Hill’s–the maker of the recalled Science Diet formula–is offering free renal testing for any cats that have been fed this. Please check it out.

    This slow drip-drip-drip of information is infuriating.

  20. Debbie says:

    Last night I checked out PetSmart’s w/s, which said that they not only took off the shelves the recalled food (numbers), but also any other food made by those companies. I went to my local PetSmart today, and lo and behold! - their shelves were stocked with the very latest recalls as of yesterday and previously!!!

    I politely asked the manager if they have “Natural Balance” for cats. He said he never heard of it. I asked him why he still had the recalled products on the shelves. He started to get defensive, and his snotty female ass’t mgr. joined in, telling me there was nothing wrong with the foods, that it was only the ones that had wheat gluten, and that other customers like myself were telling them they are wrong, and WE (customers) are the ones who are wrong and need to get informed! I told them they need to get informed on a daily basis (which I was intending on giving them this w/s address) Anyway, one thing led to another until it became a MAJOR blowout! For me to call them rude, would be a compliment at best!!!

    I then went to my usual small local chain, Pets Supplies Plus, and the manager and I had a very nice long civilized talk. (what I had expected to have with the PetSmart manager)

    Getting to the end of the story, true “wellness” brands only have limited distributors who are small chains. The Chicago-based owner has been trying for years to expand the truly healthy brands in his stores, but he can only go so far. One part of the reason is that people are not very familiar with them as they are with the nationally advertised poison companies. So they didn’t sell very well.

    WE, the consumers, the pet parents need to come out full force to purchase only the truly healthy brands…and to keep passing the word along.

    As far as I’m concerned, PetSmart is just as responsible now for pet illnesses and deaths as much as the notorious pet food companies!

    That’s what major pet food chains think of our babies and us!!!!!! MONEY!

  21. Lynn Summers says:

    UNIV OF GUELPH NOTICE

    http://www.labservices.uoguelph.ca/urgent.cfm

    There’s one part of the Univ of Guelph document in the link immediately above that catches my attention:

    “….given our continuing investigation efforts, we will not be accepting samples for testing at this time, and we are not aware of any other lab that is offering these tests.”

    What does this mean? That they’re heavily entrenched in their own ongoing investigation? And just too backed up to deal with more incoming specimens? Is it remotely possible that they’ve pretty much narrowed in on the contaminants and feel comfortable with the specimens they currently have [and possibly believe that they will contain the answers once all reports are in]?

    This COULD be good news, right? Or am I just doing too much wishful thinking???

  22. Puff says:

    This isn’t the first time that corrupt chinese have “cut” food, here is an earlier instance that affected humans: http://www.guardian.co.uk/chin.....96,00.html Knowing that I have to wonder why anyone would do business with chinese ag companies, and not thoroughly test every batch of imported food.

  23. Lynn Summers says:

    I still say we need a board that lists all the supermarkets and their locations that are currently stocking recalled food.

    If it was me, I’d photograph the shelves and get names and document, document, document! Then I’d send a fax to the regional office for that supermarket, along with a copy of the most recent recall list.

    Supermarkets and pet supply places need to show responsibility here and they are NOT doing this.

    Think about it: in the greater Los Angeles area they publicize those restaurants with poor sanitary conditions by shoving a huge “red letter” chart in the front entrance of the restaurant where the public can see it. So…….

    ITCHMO ADMIN: We’ve opened up the Forum for that specific purpose.

  24. Traci says:

    Honestly, please stop this hysterical preaching. There are dry brands out now that are even grain-free. Some use tapioca and potato instead of grain. To compare good brands of dry to what is being recalled is just hyper and doctrinal. Give cats moist and dry, moisten the dry with water if you are concerned about fluid intake (which is reasonable). I would certainly consider moist Fancy Feast any variety to be of less quality than the moist holistic and high quality kibble.

  25. Traci says:

    should be

  26. Traci says:

    forum doesn’t like bracket quoting

    “moist holistic and high quality kibble.”

    should be

    “most holistic and high quality kibble.”

  27. Informedcatlover says:

    Traci, the grains used to make most dry food contain mold toxins that usually are dormant. Add water, however, and you have instant health problems for your cat from toxic molds - this is NOT recomended. Even dry, they are a problem - witness the Royal Canin recall of early 2006 of their dry food.

    Please, do some reading and inform yourself of the facts. NO dry is good for cats, be it grain or potato based. When is the last time you saw a feral cat digging for potatoes? Not - they eat meat.

    www.catinfo.org has the info spelled out for you. Take five minutes, and save your cats life - read it. This is not hysterical preaching - it’s fact, dictated by the way the cat’s body works.

    What have you got to lose, other than the 5 minutes it takes to read the page?

  28. Traci says:

    “Traci, the grains used to make most dry food contain mold toxins that usually are dormant. Add water, however, and you have instant health problems for your cat from toxic molds - this is NOT recomended. Even dry, they are a problem - witness the Royal Canin recall of early 2006 of their dry food.”

    Did I not just finish posting that there are GRAIN FREE kibbles.

    “www.catinfo.org has the info spelled out for you. Take five minutes, and save your cats life - read it. This is not hysterical preaching - it’s fact, dictated by the way the cat’s body works.”

    Stop preaching. Please.

  29. Traci says:

    BTW how dare you imply that those not feeding what you consider proper do not care about their pets.

  30. Informedcatlover says:

    Traci, these are not what I consider proper foods for cat - they are the informed, educated opinions of vets - not only Dr Pierson, whose site it is and who is a well respected vet and a member of several feline diabetic boards, but also of well respected, renouned vets like Elizabeth Hodgkins, who holds the patent on Purina DM canned (NOT dry) and who is slated to testify before the Senate tomorrow, in an effort to get better controls on the pet food industry. Her site is here: www.yourdiabeticcat.com

    Also, Dr Jean Hofve, DVM: http://www.littlebigcat.com/in.....p;item=004

    You want to really mess your pants? Read this, a paper by Harvard Law school graduate Justine Patrick: http://leda.law.harvard.edu/le.....ick06.html

    This is NOT hysterical preaching - it’s cold hard fact. I have a diabetic cat, who was on insulin for 7 months until I took the dry food out of his diet. Now, he’s off insulin and has been for 7 months! There is no dry food in my house, nor will there ever be again.

    Dry food causes diabetes, kidney disease, irritable bowel disease, and a host of other problems. Any dry food, regardless of what it is made with. The reason is the high carb content and the fact that it is DRY - read Dr Pierson’s site, and you will understand.

    If you would like us to believe YOUR opinion over those of these vets, could you please include your credentials with your next post?

  31. Traci says:

    whatever, you know all. I am out of your nastiness. later.

  32. Informedcatlover says:

    Ah, yes, the cut and run - where have we seen that before? Bye Bye!

  33. Traci says:

    Are you a troll or what?

  34. Itchmo Admin says:

    Folks, please be kind to others as our pets have been to us. I know this is a stressful time, but let’s keep the conversation positive and helpful. If you DO want to have in depth debate, please keep it civil and do it in our Forums.

  35. Informedcatlover says:

    Traci, I am not a troll, and I did not mean to upset you, truly I did not. But I do believe that if you believe in somthing enough that you want to try to convince others of the rightness of that belief, you best have some solid proof to back you up. Too many times, we repeat what pet food companies and pet food boutiques tell us as gospel truth, without taking the time to find out for ourselves what the truth of the matter is.

    Vets make as much as 20% commissions on food they sell, so they have a financial stake in selling their foods. The pet food industry is worth billions, so there is also a financial stake on their part.

    The people I have quoted above have no financial stake in this. Dr Pierson is well respected for not only her website and the advice she gives regarding nutrition on several websites, but also for the TNR work she does.

    Dr Hodgkinsis even better known than Dr Pierson. She is the in-house vet consultant for Cat Chat Radio, has her own practice in CA, and runs a website for a feline diabetes protocol that she invented that has an 85% remission rate.

    These people KNOW cats inside and out, and are not financially motivated. The reasons given on Dr Piersons site for not feeding dry are based on the psysiology of the cat - stuff that is taught in vet school and that is pure fact.

    I in no way intended to imply that anyone here doesn’t care about how they feed their cats - it’s why we are here, after all. I just feel that people need to do a bit of educational reading before believing all the hype that goes into selling pet food, even “holistic” foods. After all, anybody selling foods has, by default, a financial interest in getting you to buy their food.

  36. 4lgdfriend says:

    Here are the facts. http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html The carnivore connection to nutrition in cats
    Debra L. Zoran, DVM, PhD, DACVIM*
    http://www.avma.org/publications/default.asp
    December 1, 2002 (Volume 221, No. 11)

  37. Informedcatlover says:

    One of the single best articles out there, by one of the first vets to ever recognize the problems with dry food. And I forgot to post it - thanks, 4lgdfriend!

  38. Debbie says:

    INFORMEDCATLOVER,

    I admire your fortitude in the past comments, your decency, and thank you for sharing your very informative knowledge.
    I have been an animal activist for almost 10 years. It has been a well-rounded education that has taught me more than the average person knows about animal/people affairs. I know a lot, but certainly it is almost nothing compared to the vast, continous learning that it entails.

    It certainly wouldn’t do the animals any good if I wasn’t open to great comments like yours and to so many others on this board that I am so very, very impressed with, if not overwhelmed, and have learned so much more.
    Some people want to stay closed-minded, but that is not helping the animals one bit. So again I say “thank you,” and hope that we all can keep an open mind because this is a very valuable learning process…for the sake of the animals.

    ps: believe me, I have come across my share of closed-minded people, (for lack of saying a more fitting descriptive adjective)…even as of yesterday with the manager and his ass’t. at PetSmart. For me to say they were rude, would be kind at best.
    Well since I got this far, I might as well go on to tell everyone that my local PetSmart still has their shelves stocked with recalled foods. How about your PetSmart, everyone? If so, spread the word.

  39. 5CatMom says:

    Debbie,

    Good for you for checking out those companies. Sure takes a lot of energy, but well worth the effort.

    You are obviously a “swimmer” not a “floater”. I know way too many floaters who are content to sit back and lets others do the heavy work.

    Swimmers are a rare and valuable breed, but often underappreciated.

    Lots of good info on the board today, but very some scary stuff.

    See MENUSUX, MARTIN, et al

  40. 5CatMom says:

    Debbie,

    Forgot to add: I’m not able to be “out there” these days, but do work with groups whose members contribute in various ways.

  41. 5CatMom says:

    AZSue,

    Thanks.

    Then they only thing we can do is to boycott their products. Not just now, but forever.

  42. AZSue says:

    5CatMom:

    I am in it for the long haul.

    My generation does not go to see movies with Hanoi Jane in them…that has been around 40 years now. Doesn’t matter to us what she does now, we remember what she did then.

    I will never forget what Menu Foods did to our animals for the sake of the almighty dollar. Not ever….

    Sue


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