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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68572</link>
		<author>straybaby</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the father called the cops as did marina. that's on the backyard video. i think the father was filming what was going down in the back yard and you can hear him calling the cops from his cell on the video. if you go to tmz, it's the entry where they have the 3 videos together. the first one has the girl recounting the events and i think that is prob the most honest assessment from those involved. one of the 3 is the backyard video and it seemed longer than the earlier *releases*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the father called the cops as did marina. that&#8217;s on the backyard video. i think the father was filming what was going down in the back yard and you can hear him calling the cops from his cell on the video. if you go to tmz, it&#8217;s the entry where they have the 3 videos together. the first one has the girl recounting the events and i think that is prob the most honest assessment from those involved. one of the 3 is the backyard video and it seemed longer than the earlier *releases*.</p>
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		<title>By: shibadiva</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68557</link>
		<author>shibadiva</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what, Lynn? I probably just contributed to the misinformation surrounding Iggygate. Somewhere back in the swirls of time, while watching one of the videos and reading what her lawyer had to say, I remember something about Marina's shock at showing up at the Marks residence and seeing the videographer. Now what probably happened is that her lawyer was just relating her experience. I'll have to leave it up to someone with more fortitude to go back through the reams of media to ascertain what really happened. On the other hand, the whole thing is so spinned (spun?), will we ever really know?

Was the videographer there for legal reasons? Hey, this is Hollywood. Does it need to be legal to be filmed? But yes, that did occur to me.

The lawyer does pro bono work, and it's possible he's taken on this David vs. Goliath case because he wants to.

And the cop? Someone must know for sure when he showed up. Some say he came with Marina. Some say after she'd been there for a couple of hours. It isn't uncommon for animal control officers to accompany an agency when an animal is to be reclaimed. 

So, where can we see what the videographer saw? I expect the conversation at the Marks home would give us the clues we need. What happened in that 2 hours and what was the discussion about the adoption application?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what, Lynn? I probably just contributed to the misinformation surrounding Iggygate. Somewhere back in the swirls of time, while watching one of the videos and reading what her lawyer had to say, I remember something about Marina&#8217;s shock at showing up at the Marks residence and seeing the videographer. Now what probably happened is that her lawyer was just relating her experience. I&#8217;ll have to leave it up to someone with more fortitude to go back through the reams of media to ascertain what really happened. On the other hand, the whole thing is so spinned (spun?), will we ever really know?</p>
<p>Was the videographer there for legal reasons? Hey, this is Hollywood. Does it need to be legal to be filmed? But yes, that did occur to me.</p>
<p>The lawyer does pro bono work, and it&#8217;s possible he&#8217;s taken on this David vs. Goliath case because he wants to.</p>
<p>And the cop? Someone must know for sure when he showed up. Some say he came with Marina. Some say after she&#8217;d been there for a couple of hours. It isn&#8217;t uncommon for animal control officers to accompany an agency when an animal is to be reclaimed. </p>
<p>So, where can we see what the videographer saw? I expect the conversation at the Marks home would give us the clues we need. What happened in that 2 hours and what was the discussion about the adoption application?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68343</link>
		<author>Lynn</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68343</guid>
		<description>The lawyer was there? Really? And he's just the  "spokesperson"?

Ever occur to you that the person videotaping was doing it for legal reasons?

MandM Marina is on a power trip. I wouldn't believe anything she says and that goes for her "spokesman" too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lawyer was there? Really? And he&#8217;s just the  &#8220;spokesperson&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ever occur to you that the person videotaping was doing it for legal reasons?</p>
<p>MandM Marina is on a power trip. I wouldn&#8217;t believe anything she says and that goes for her &#8220;spokesman&#8221; too.</p>
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		<title>By: shibadiva</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68323</link>
		<author>shibadiva</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the lawyer, Keith Fink, mentioned that when he and Marina showed up, Ellen was already there with a cameraman. Why the need for a photo-op?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the lawyer, Keith Fink, mentioned that when he and Marina showed up, Ellen was already there with a cameraman. Why the need for a photo-op?</p>
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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68275</link>
		<author>straybaby</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think i figured it out watching some of the earlier video. sounds like they wanted the family to drive over to passadena and the family didn't want to so they came to them. it isn't clear if the girl actually filled out the application, but you can tell she looked at it as she states it's longer than her school app (lol!~). i'm thinking the family may have thought they shouldn't have to because the dog was given to them? the girl did say she thought they would have to fill out *more* paperwork and then the dog would be hers. she then talks about things getting heated, so something was going on between her parents and the 3 people from the adoption agency  (ellen wasn't there at this point). wonder what that was about . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think i figured it out watching some of the earlier video. sounds like they wanted the family to drive over to passadena and the family didn&#8217;t want to so they came to them. it isn&#8217;t clear if the girl actually filled out the application, but you can tell she looked at it as she states it&#8217;s longer than her school app (lol!~). i&#8217;m thinking the family may have thought they shouldn&#8217;t have to because the dog was given to them? the girl did say she thought they would have to fill out *more* paperwork and then the dog would be hers. she then talks about things getting heated, so something was going on between her parents and the 3 people from the adoption agency  (ellen wasn&#8217;t there at this point). wonder what that was about . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Traci</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68268</link>
		<author>Traci</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68268</guid>
		<description>Because it's "celebrity" and everyone trying to cover their butts at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it&#8217;s &#8220;celebrity&#8221; and everyone trying to cover their butts at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68265</link>
		<author>straybaby</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68265</guid>
		<description>that's odd. i thought the girl said that she filled out the application or had at least started it. she mentioned how detailed it was . . . 

i don't know why ellen or the hairdresser would refuse to  do the app. or why they would have to go down there to do it since it's online. especially if the rescue was doing a home check.

this situation still doesn't add up . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s odd. i thought the girl said that she filled out the application or had at least started it. she mentioned how detailed it was . . . </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know why ellen or the hairdresser would refuse to  do the app. or why they would have to go down there to do it since it&#8217;s online. especially if the rescue was doing a home check.</p>
<p>this situation still doesn&#8217;t add up . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Stefani</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68264</link>
		<author>Stefani</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, AD, I saw that. 

If that story proves to be true, then my entire view of this situation will change.  They MUST understand that they HAVE to be willing to go through the same application and screening as everyone else.  I'd be all for them getting to keep the dog if they were willing to do so -- getting first dibs.  But they have no one to blame but themselves if they aren't willing to do that. 

It's gotten so confused.  It's hard to know WHAT to believe now.  

I just think at this point it's best if all parties let it drop, the dog is rehomed.  Heaven forbid he should be moved again. 

Stefani</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, AD, I saw that. </p>
<p>If that story proves to be true, then my entire view of this situation will change.  They MUST understand that they HAVE to be willing to go through the same application and screening as everyone else.  I&#8217;d be all for them getting to keep the dog if they were willing to do so &#8212; getting first dibs.  But they have no one to blame but themselves if they aren&#8217;t willing to do that. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotten so confused.  It&#8217;s hard to know WHAT to believe now.  </p>
<p>I just think at this point it&#8217;s best if all parties let it drop, the dog is rehomed.  Heaven forbid he should be moved again. </p>
<p>Stefani</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68251</link>
		<author>AD</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefani,

I see on the itchmo front page, a new story, based on a Bill O'Reilly show--that the Mutts and Moms folks did tell the hairdresser they could come in and fill out papers and do a formal adoption.  But Ellen and the hairdresser refused to do so.

You can check it out on the front page here.

 What struck me as more information came out, was that the rescue group actually was pretty flexible--they gave Ellen a second dog, and then were going to pursue adoption with the hairdresser.  

It's strange how things get distorted.  Bottom line for me, is great disappointment in Ellen, and I was a fan.  Not any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefani,</p>
<p>I see on the itchmo front page, a new story, based on a Bill O&#8217;Reilly show&#8211;that the Mutts and Moms folks did tell the hairdresser they could come in and fill out papers and do a formal adoption.  But Ellen and the hairdresser refused to do so.</p>
<p>You can check it out on the front page here.</p>
<p> What struck me as more information came out, was that the rescue group actually was pretty flexible&#8211;they gave Ellen a second dog, and then were going to pursue adoption with the hairdresser.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s strange how things get distorted.  Bottom line for me, is great disappointment in Ellen, and I was a fan.  Not any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefani</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68242</link>
		<author>Stefani</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68242</guid>
		<description>You know in the back and forth about this, so many people are forgetting to put the interests of the DOG first. 

Ellen violated the contract.  True.  She should have returned the dog.  True. 

However, she gave him -- by all accounts -- to a perfectly suitable home, where he bonded with the family.  The rescue woman, to PROVE A POINT, it seems, went on FALSE pretenses to this family's house and TOOK the dog from them without telling them this was her intent. 

She then -- out of apparent ANGER and STUBBORNESS and to PROVE A POINT about not letting the "Ellen Degeneres's of the World" get over on her -- REFUSED to allow this family to be considered as adopters.  

?????????????????  

IT'S ABOUT THE DOG, people.  She behaved reprehensibly!

I understand that rescues have these policies for the protection of the animals- to make sure they go to suitable homes.  Ellen violated it, she should not have.  She should have returned the dog and offered up her friends as adopters or encouraged them to apply.  But the dog ended up in a good home, so the very reason this policy existed was not a concern in this case.  The rescue should have been flexible.  

Now, the dog is placed in YET another new home -- his third in how many months?  

Hopefully, he is bonding well with this new family and has gotten past the trauma caused by this human drama. 

And hopefully, Ellen and the hairdresser won't pursue trying to get the dog back once he's been in this new home long enough to bond with THAT family. Should they pursue charges against the Mutts and Mom's maven?  Go for it.

Just don't make that poor dog more traumatized by continuing to fight over him and make him move from place to place like a pawn in an EGO showdown. 

Reminds me of the biblical story with two mothers both claiming that the child was theirs.  Then, someone said, fine, let's cut him in half.  And one -- only one -- of the women said, "no, rather than see him cut in two, I will relinquish my claim.." 

We knew then who the real mother was. 

Stefani</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know in the back and forth about this, so many people are forgetting to put the interests of the DOG first. </p>
<p>Ellen violated the contract.  True.  She should have returned the dog.  True. </p>
<p>However, she gave him &#8212; by all accounts &#8212; to a perfectly suitable home, where he bonded with the family.  The rescue woman, to PROVE A POINT, it seems, went on FALSE pretenses to this family&#8217;s house and TOOK the dog from them without telling them this was her intent. </p>
<p>She then &#8212; out of apparent ANGER and STUBBORNESS and to PROVE A POINT about not letting the &#8220;Ellen Degeneres&#8217;s of the World&#8221; get over on her &#8212; REFUSED to allow this family to be considered as adopters.  </p>
<p>?????????????????  </p>
<p>IT&#8217;S ABOUT THE DOG, people.  She behaved reprehensibly!</p>
<p>I understand that rescues have these policies for the protection of the animals- to make sure they go to suitable homes.  Ellen violated it, she should not have.  She should have returned the dog and offered up her friends as adopters or encouraged them to apply.  But the dog ended up in a good home, so the very reason this policy existed was not a concern in this case.  The rescue should have been flexible.  </p>
<p>Now, the dog is placed in YET another new home &#8212; his third in how many months?  </p>
<p>Hopefully, he is bonding well with this new family and has gotten past the trauma caused by this human drama. </p>
<p>And hopefully, Ellen and the hairdresser won&#8217;t pursue trying to get the dog back once he&#8217;s been in this new home long enough to bond with THAT family. Should they pursue charges against the Mutts and Mom&#8217;s maven?  Go for it.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t make that poor dog more traumatized by continuing to fight over him and make him move from place to place like a pawn in an EGO showdown. </p>
<p>Reminds me of the biblical story with two mothers both claiming that the child was theirs.  Then, someone said, fine, let&#8217;s cut him in half.  And one &#8212; only one &#8212; of the women said, &#8220;no, rather than see him cut in two, I will relinquish my claim..&#8221; </p>
<p>We knew then who the real mother was. </p>
<p>Stefani</p>
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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68223</link>
		<author>straybaby</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shiba,

i'm betting the training rate was prob as inflated as the donation fee. things in LA can be like that  ;) we always tell people pets can be expensive and you need to have some money put aside upfront, but this was a bit over the top . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shiba,</p>
<p>i&#8217;m betting the training rate was prob as inflated as the donation fee. things in LA can be like that  ;) we always tell people pets can be expensive and you need to have some money put aside upfront, but this was a bit over the top . . .</p>
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		<title>By: NH</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68189</link>
		<author>NH</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68189</guid>
		<description>My view of Ellen plummeted after this incident.  She should be ashamed of herself...using her show to get this dog back.  Read your damn contracts Ellen.  Don't leave it for your attorney's.  You do have a brain...don't you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My view of Ellen plummeted after this incident.  She should be ashamed of herself&#8230;using her show to get this dog back.  Read your damn contracts Ellen.  Don&#8217;t leave it for your attorney&#8217;s.  You do have a brain&#8230;don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: shibadiva</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68165</link>
		<author>shibadiva</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68165</guid>
		<description>Toaster might have been a bit harsh. Usually I use that term to refer to people who would have an animal put down or dumped at a shelter if they no longer wanted it (didn't go with the furniture, it was after Christmas, etc.). I expect Ellen had good intentions and money to throw at the problem, but just not a whole lot of time or patience.

Straybaby, I got the impression that a good portion of the $3,000 was for training offsite (don't know the level of Ellen's involvement). This is from her show's transcript: "I got it neutered, I got it trained and I paid my vet extra money to take it home to sleep in the bed with him at night instead of a cage. I spent $3000 on this puppy to acclimate it, to train it to be with our cats." Possibly the boarding was only associated with the neutering. Possibly she spent a good amount of time working with the trainer and the dog herself. Given her schedule and the news about at least one other pass-through pet, I'm not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toaster might have been a bit harsh. Usually I use that term to refer to people who would have an animal put down or dumped at a shelter if they no longer wanted it (didn&#8217;t go with the furniture, it was after Christmas, etc.). I expect Ellen had good intentions and money to throw at the problem, but just not a whole lot of time or patience.</p>
<p>Straybaby, I got the impression that a good portion of the $3,000 was for training offsite (don&#8217;t know the level of Ellen&#8217;s involvement). This is from her show&#8217;s transcript: &#8220;I got it neutered, I got it trained and I paid my vet extra money to take it home to sleep in the bed with him at night instead of a cage. I spent $3000 on this puppy to acclimate it, to train it to be with our cats.&#8221; Possibly the boarding was only associated with the neutering. Possibly she spent a good amount of time working with the trainer and the dog herself. Given her schedule and the news about at least one other pass-through pet, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/ellen-degeneres-to-put-dog-controversy-behind-her-3453#comment-68164</link>
		<author>Sharon</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is when I saw the m and m lady on tv, all I could think of is "what a bitch". I don't think she gives a damn about the dog. She only cares because the dog went to Ellen. She needs to be put out of business. How can you legally come on to someone's property and take something without a warrant? I hope she ends up with nothing by the time this fiasco is over. I feel sorry for the poor dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is when I saw the m and m lady on tv, all I could think of is &#8220;what a bitch&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think she gives a damn about the dog. She only cares because the dog went to Ellen. She needs to be put out of business. How can you legally come on to someone&#8217;s property and take something without a warrant? I hope she ends up with nothing by the time this fiasco is over. I feel sorry for the poor dog.</p>
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