Huckabee And Hunting

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Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has been in the media spotlight recently. First, there were allegations that his son was involved in the hanging of a dog in 1998. Now, the media is showing Huckabee as an avid outdoorsman and hunter.

Huckabee went pheasant hunting in Iowa the day after Christmas and said, “Maybe it will show that I certainly understand the culture of being outdoors. “It’s not something we had to go out and get a primer in. It’s very much ordinary to me.”

He further added that hunting is good for wildlife and said, “The truth is hunters are the ones who preserve the species since hunters have an interest in preserving wildlife and their license fees pay for conservation efforts. In many cases extinction comes from not having some level of hunting. It’s the hunters who actually keep the wildlife alive. A lot of people think that when you hunt you’re destroying the wildlife.”

While showing the birds that Huckabee and his hunting party claimed, he joked, “See that’s what happens if you get in my way.”

Source: Associated Press

Photo: Reuters

(Thanks Lynn)

82 Responses to “Huckabee And Hunting”

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  1. Dee says:

    As to the hunting issue,

    It would not be necessary were it not for the fact that human beings have upset nature’s ecosystem so. We did that by creating societies, towns, businesses, etc. that encroach upon the territory originally inhabited by only wildlife.

    Left to their own devices in that system, the checks and balances of the food chain would control the populations on their own. But again….WE messed that up.

    Since we (as a species) have decided to live like that (since it benefits us enormously in other ways), it is OUR responsibility to correct our disruption of the ecosystem to the best of our ability. To fail to do so would be inhumane, and inhuman.

  2. Bane says:

    Dee, humans are too flawed, and cannot successfully undo the damage they have done. Don’t believe the rhetoric of hunters…these are intrinisically dishonest, violent, self serving people. They should leave the wildlife alone. Over development needs to be curbed, but you can’t expect any government influenced by wealthy self serving lobbyists (like the meat industry, trophy hunters, developers) to do the right thing. People need to be aware of the issues and let their voice be heard (last I heard, this was a democracy….but democracy won’t work if the majority is apathetic and allows the special interests to make the rules)…obviously that’s not happening if a hypocritical bastard like Huckabee makes the short list. Rule of thumb…stay away from any fanatical far right religious candidates…they are all of the same ilk. Misogynistic, chauvinistic, racist, homophobic pro hunting hypocrites.

    I think we should at least cut down our meat consumption….I realize vegetarianism is unrealistic for most, but remember, certain eastern populations have lived on healthy vegetarian diets for centuries. Not veganism…that’s just propaganda from pet killing PETA. It is an overreliance on red meat that is making America fat and unhealthy…it should only be eaten once in a while. The Mediterranean diet is the most responsible and healthiest way to eat. Factory farms should be outlawed, but of course, due to the powerful agricultural lobby, that won’t happen. Unless we vote with our pocketbooks.

  3. shibadiva says:

    Dee, except that we are so inept at cleaning up our own messes.

    Anyway, I’ve just finished reading two amazing books by Dr. Temple Grandin, an autist who overcame many challenges to become a prominent animal behaviorist. “Thinking in Pictures” is a good overview of non-verbal communication, and the parallels between autistic and animal thought. Her recent book, “Animals in Translation”, goes much deeper into animal thinking and behavior. It’s a compelling read, making a strong case that we humans are constrained by the lens of our own experience and fail to see the appropriateness and value of neurodiversity (even within our own species).

    http://redstarcafe.wordpress.c.....anslation/

    Grandin gets it. Huckabee and yokels who believe it’s their god-given right to dominate everything on this planet, not so much.

  4. stefani says:

    Re:

    “bow hunters to kill some of the deer over the holiday break at the college. ”

    BOW hunting? How slow of a death can that be? Can someone explain to me why this is more human than shooting them in the head?

    Images of deer running with arrows sticking out everywhere. Boy, that would make me so upset I would cry for days.

    Stefani

  5. 2cats says:

    There was at least one query here about the President’s hunting escapade. He shot a killdeer while out dove hunting. Killdeer are not endangered but are protected by federal law. They don’t look anything like doves.
    Here’s a link:
    http://tiny.cc/qE6RH
    Hunting seems to be an obligatory rite for presidential candidates. Here’s a good essay:
    http://www.matthewscully.com/s.....litics.htm
    Taxes and fees on hunting go a long way toward wildlife conservation. But as populations urbanize and hunting becomes less popular, our society must think of a new way to protect wild areas and wildlife. If you don’t care for hunting, here are some things you can do to help wildlife:
    1) Join a conservation organization. I like local organizations. You can use the internet to find some good groups in your area. And some animal welfare groups have wildlife divisions.
    2) Buy a duck stamp. You don’t have to be a duck hunter to get one. They come out once a year. They’re nice collectibles. You can get them at your local post office. And 100% of the proceeds go to wetlands acquisition.
    3) Volunteer at your local nature center. These centers especially do a great job of teaching children love and respect for wildlife.
    4) Vote with a conscience! I wish we had a non-hunting, pro conservation candidate this time around but I’m not seeing it on either side. Listen to what your local candidates say about wildlife issues and smart development, too.

  6. kathy says:

    Stefani, please calm down. The bows used by bow-hunters are not just sticks that throw arrows randomly, in fact an animal will die much more quickly and with less meat ruined than with the most high powered rifle!
    I was raised in a hunting family, and taught never to even point a gun at anything I didn’t intend to eat. I do know how hunting used to be. The men could go out for a day or two, bring home enough meat for the entire season, and the family could eat good healthy meat. Back in the day when it was “necessary”.
    However now we have an extremely polluted world, and grown men learn how to hunt from books. A lot of the big game have chronic wasting disease, and is not safe to eat anyway. (This is closely related to the Mad Cow Disease that our government will not even let ranchers test their own cows for, so as far as I’m concerned they’re not safe to eat either!)
    No factory farmed meat is fed its natural diet, neither is the wild game. I have been a vegetarian for 15 years, would probably be dead otherwise, but I have no problem if someone else wants to eat meat. Which brings me to your comments Don Earl. Methinks thou dost protest too much! Why on earth would you care if I choose not to eat meat? In the unlikely event that all the plants died before I was faced with starvation, I definitely would not eat a plate of fried chicken–I was recently served a bowl of soup made with chicken broth by a host who was pretty sure I would never know the difference. Well, I did. The taste was so foul I couldn’t even be polite and eat it. So please, before you go off half cocked like that, inform yourself. The strongest land animal, the elephant, is vegetarian. So were the cows, before the advent of factory farming. Many Olympic athletes are vegetarian.
    What is really at issue here is Huckabee’s comment “see what happens when you get in my way”! I would be concerned that any one of us might get in his way at any given moment!

  7. Don Earl says:

    RE: “humans are too flawed, and cannot successfully undo the damage they have done. Don’t believe the rhetoric of hunters…these are intrinisically dishonest, violent, self serving people. They should leave the wildlife alone. Over development needs to be curbed, but you can’t expect any government influenced by wealthy self serving lobbyists (like the meat industry, trophy hunters, developers) to do the right thing.”

    How about you go first in doing the “right thing”?

    Get rid of your car first of all. It uses tons of steel to produce, creates polution, etc.. Next, you absolutely must quit living indoors. It’s this nasty, selfish habit of living indoors that contributes to development, and you must stop immediately. Do you have any idea how many trees have to be cut down to build a house, not to mention all the other industry involved in producing the materials to build you an artificial cave? And, of course, you must also abandon the use of clothing and tools. These things also involve energy and polution causing industry to produce.

    Now that you’re naked and properly in tune with nature, the big question is what you should be allowed to eat. If you go about munching natural vegetation, you’re bound to damage the eco system, same for catching furry critters, snakes, lizards, bugs, slugs, etc.. Not to mention consumption of such things will naturally produce polution causing human waste.

    Perhaps your best bet, considering you consider humans to be something along the lines of varmints, is to do your part to curb population growth by cutting your own throat. Better yet, jump off a cliff as this will allow you to avoid the hypocritical use of human devices.

    The fact is that while there are plenty of fuzzy headed thinkers who pay lip service to some of these concepts, they always figure it’s up to someone else to do something about it.

    I do think there are middle of the road solutions, but those will never come about by paying lip service to mindless rhetoric.

  8. Velvet's Dad says:

    “Vegitarianism (sic) is a silly conceit, held by those so out of touch with reality as to defy reason. Good, bad or indifferent, happiness comes from being at the top of the food chain.”

    I am normally pretty restrained, I think, in my comments. We all have something to offer this site. However, I am dropping the gloves on this one.

    Don Earl, your comment is about the lamest I have ever read on this blog. Put aside the fact you don’t know how to spell the word, you have no understanding of it. Contrary to your display of ignorance re the practice, one can, and many, many do, live perfectly healthy lives without eating any meat. I have for some 15 yrs. I don’t go around advocating not eating meat. It’s a personal choice. One comes to it or one doesn’t. I don’t condemn meat eaters in any way.

    However, for you to say being a vegetarian or vegan “defies reason” is absurd. It would only defy science–and later reason–if, by denying oneself the intake of meat, one died as a result. After enough scientific studies showing that eating meat is essential for human life, vegetarianism would fall the way of any quackery.

    There are no such studies. And vegetarianism is not quackery.

    Re you comment about “happiness comes from being at the top of the food chain,” only the arrogance of humankind could make such a statement. Yes, because we humans kill and exploit all other forms of life, sure, who–given the choice–would rather not be born human than say, a dog or other lower animal form?

    Since you frequent this site, I am sure you are an animal owner/lover. Look into your pet’s eyes sometime and say to yourself: There but for grace or luck would I be. Would you ever trade places with your pet? I doubt it. But I don’t wonder why.

    No, Don Earl, it isn’t happiness. It’s smugness.

  9. Jackie says:

    Thank You, Velvet’s Dad - Well Said!!!

  10. Lynn says:

    So here’s the question:

    Do you want a President who hunts because he derives pleasure from killing AND has a son who tortures dogs and tries to get on airplanes with a concealed weapon?

  11. Christine says:

    Thank you, Velvet’s Dad.

    Don Earl, you seem to think that we have to live by “all or nothing” rules. Yes, I’m a vegan, and yes, the people I surround myself are (for the most part) vegan as well. Most of the companies I buy from are run by vegans too. But you’re right that, somewhere down the line, someone that I rely on also relies on someone who eats meat, or something that is produced with animal by-products. I acknowledge the fact that in today’s world, it’s impossible to be absolutely, 100% vegan (considering the rubber in my bike tires, the plastic in my computer, everything coming from fossil fuel)… but a lot of that is the result of hundreds of years of animal exploitation. I do as much as I can to avoid animal exploitation. And it’s only because our society is so bent on animal exploitation that it’s absolutely impossible to avoid it entirely. But that doesn’t mean that I’m going to give up doing what I can. Vegans save about 100 animals a year by not consuming animal products. In my lifetime, that’ll be a lot of animals that didn’t suffer or die needlessly.

    Bane: “Not veganism…that’s just propaganda from pet killing PETA.”

    Not all vegans are PETA supporters. In fact, most of us aren’t. I don’t see veganism as propaganda, but rather as my way of life to cause the least amount of suffering in the world.

  12. Catlady says:

    Stefani -
    Bow hunters were chosen because of safety reasons. The college campus is surrounded by residential development. Expert bow hunters can kill as well as hunters with guns. Discharging of firearms is simply not allowed by law in the area the hunting had to take place in.

  13. pheephee35 says:

    Hopping into the vegetarian vs. omnivore diet debate, I would like to recommend you read EATING WELL FOR OPTIMUM HEALTH by Andrew Weil, MD. He definitely says we should eat a lot less meat and animal products, but not avoid them entirely. One of the reasons he does not recommend a vegan diet is that while an adult can survive and even be healthier on this diet, a child cannot develop fully and normally. He also says that vegans can have reproductive problems because there is not enough fat and protein to support reproduction!

    This book is available unabridged on tape for those too busy to read. I used it to help me improve my diet after being diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer in 2003. I do eat meat, but very little red meat, and that without hormones and antibiotics. I also eat chicken and fish. I have found that with regular daily exercise that I do not crave the red meat at all, and eat much less chicken etc. Meat is harder to digest and can putrify in the system thus leaking toxins into the blood stream through the walls of the intestine and colon. I actually lose energy if I eat a bunch of red meat.

    Also, his comments on the mediterranean diet, Weil discusses it on pp. 162-165, are great. Just tonight I made a recipe from my Chaldean mother-in-law. It has red meat in it, about 2 1/2 lbs, BUT it makes a huge pot of food that will make 10 to 12 servings or more. The meat is brought to a boil and drained then re-boiled till tender, then I add tomato paste, a vegetable of choice (fresh spinach tonight), and finish off with a little lemon juice and a spoonful of sugar (I use organic). It is then served over a mound of rice. So yes, we are eating red meat, but very little per person.

    You might find of interest the LDS church scripture, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 89. It is known as the Word of Wisdom. It proposes that the animals are given to men to eat SPARINGLY verse 12, and with thanksgiving (has anyone seen the research on the Tokyo water that would not make crystals but did after they wrote positive messages on the dishes they froze it in?). Vs. 13 continues that meat is best eaten only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

    Dr. Weil confirms that we need meat, but much less of it than we consume. For myself, I have found that as I have sought out free range organic chicken etc. that it has so much more flavor than chicken fed its own animal digest, cat food and heavens knows what, that I am satisfied with a small piece.

    So saying, I think Mr. Huckabee is seeking the success of the world when he should have been tending the home fires more closely. And yes, as a formerly abused woman, his “see what happens when you get in my way” crack gives me the heebie jeebies. The only people who would think something like that is funny are the ignorant ones who have never been abused and perpetratos of abuse.

    And finishing up, after seeing the film about the Tokyo water crystals, I have changed the way I pray over my food before I eat it. I still thank God for it, and ask him to bless it but I have added a list of thanksgiving for the animal(s) that has given its life that I might be nourished and for the lovely plants that have given me their substance that I might be healthy and live and use the rest of my life for others.

    So, Mr. Huckabee, how about a little humility, and thanksgiving. And maybe take a course in sociology or animal husbandry.

  14. pheephee35 says:

    PS — did you know that eating meat increase you body odor. If we eat less meat, we need less deodorant etc. Just an interesting thought.

  15. Sylvia says:

    Ok, now let’s give the animals guns and make it a fair fight - Huckabee is a jerk and, with his son being a dog murderer, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

  16. Sharon says:

    At least he didn’t shoot any of the people he went hunting with. Have y’all forgotten a year ago when Cheney shot a 78 year old man while quail hunting in Texas?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....g_incident

  17. momkat says:

    Eating habits aside…..I just cannot condone hunting for sport…and killing other living creatures just for fun. If hunting and killing was the only way he could feed his family, then ok, we ARE at the top of the food chain…….but as far as I’m concerned anyone who would justify killing by saying “See that’s what happens if you get in my way.”….SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!

  18. Don Earl says:

    To the hervibors on the board:

    I could quite honestly care less what you eat. What I find obnoxious is the herbivors among the human species are the only people I’ve ever seen who treat eating as a religion and go about with a holier than thou attitude about what they eat.

    My cats are carnivors. They don’t apologize for it and they don’t pretend to be anything other than what they are. Millions of years of evolution have turned them into the second most successful hunters on the planet, with a kill rate of close to 40% once then begin their run at prey.

    A naked human is practically helpless. Its tolerance for heat and cold outside of a very narrow range is practically nil. It doesn’t run very fast, fly, swim very well, or climb with any agility to speak of, and is susceptable to a host of diseases. In the way of teeth, horns, armor, claws hoofs, etc., it is poorly equipped for both defense and offense.

    Never the less, it is a more successful hunter than a cat, is nearly immune to attack by any species other than its own, can eat anything, can survive in extremes of heat and cold that would kill any other animal almost instantly, can out fly any bird, out swim any fish, and climb where a monkey would never get off the ground.

    I won’t apologize for being human any more than a cat would apologize for being a cat. I also won’t pat anyone on the back for standing on the shoulders of meat eaters while engaged in the conceit they’re somehow special because of their diet. Maybe that’s the only thing you have to feel special about, which is kind of sad. If you show me the courtesy of not bragging about what you eat, I’ll show you a similar courtesy by keeping my views about such braggarts to myself.

  19. Lynn says:

    Sharon,

    True, Huckabee didn’t shoot another human, but he and his family have done so much collateral damage. Between the son torturing, hanging, slashing the throat, and stoning a stray dog, and Huckabee concealing the matter, not to mention the whole family’s attitude that desperately needs anger management therapy, the Huckabees are dangerous.

    One son packs a LOADED concealed weapon in his luggage and attempts to board a plane with it.

    Wife Janet told the New York Times, “If it wasn’t for the grace of God, I’d have shot a few people already.”

    And daughter Sarah told Time magazine that when people criticize her Dad she sometimes wants “to walk right over and punch them, but obviously I can’t do that.” Which has made the last two weeks a trying exercise in self-restraint.

    Oh yes….sure…..exactly the kind of people we need in the White House. They handle everything with weapons and fists.

  20. stefani says:

    More on Huckabee and animals, from the Humane Society Legislative Fund:

    http://hslf.typepad.com/politi.....entia.html

  21. shibadiva says:

    Thanks for that link, Stefani. Here on Canada’s south coast, our media covered a negative-ad campaign that Huckabee was planning to run against Romney.

    “But Huckabee showed a man of God can deliver a wicked counterpunch.

    He said Romney was running a “desperate and … dishonest” campaign and said Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press: “If you aren’t being honest in obtaining a job, can we trust you to be honest if you get the job?”

    He has mocked Romney’s exaggerations, including his claim to have been a lifelong hunter and his boast of a National Rifle Association endorsement he didn’t receive.”

    http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/290189

    How did this clown even get on the Republican short list?

  22. judi says:

    I wont vote for a guy that kills animals for the sport or raises a son that hangs them for fun. Preach on Huck!

  23. Lynn says:

    Shibadiva,

    There’s huge speculation as to how Huckabee’s wife got a paying job with the Red Cross.

    http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/.....ner_1.aspx

  24. Elaine Vigneault says:

    Don wrote:
    “What I find obnoxious is the herbivors among the human species are the only people I’ve ever seen who treat eating as a religion and go about with a holier than thou attitude about what they eat.”

    Funny, because most religions restrict diet in some way or another. Jews eat kosher, Christians often avoid red meat on Fridays, Muslims don’t eat cows…

    You know, a little critical thinking can go a long way.

    What’s worse? Annoying, self-righteousness or selfish murder?
    Because meat is murder; meat is unnecessary killing of another. It’s not self-defense, it’s not for human health, omnivores eat meat purely because it tastes good. Well, that’s pretty darn selfish, don’t you think?

    So, you can be annoyed or offended all you want by my self-righteousness and I’ll be disgusted and offended all I want by your cruel selfishness.

  25. shibadiva says:

    Lynn, thanx for that link! It sure is the Land of Oppor-too-ni-tee! You and I can do the same, given the right connections.

    Sometimes it’s way quicker to just make appointments rather than solicit qualified candidates.

  26. Marie says:

    Never fear….just heard breaking news report that Huckster-bee is a victim of Colony Collapse Disorder.

  27. Bane says:

    Don Earl…I agree with you about cats being obligatory carnivores, and I see nothing wrong with cats doing the hunting…they are meant to. But cats are strict carnivores, and built for hunting. We are omnivores, and can do with less meat. And our bodies are not built for hunting…we cheat with guns and what not…and this does not give the animals a fair fight. No human could outrun and bring down a deer with their bare hands. As I said before, asking the world to go vegetarian is unrealistic, but we can do with less of a meat based diet. Maybe then Americans would not be so fat in general…and most unapologetic meat eaters who eat steak several times a week are the fattest…just look at the patrons of any chain restaurant. And if universal health care takes effect, guess who’s going to foot the bill for these overweight and obese people.

    About getting rid of a car…well, we had a solution, but the special interests took it away. Watch the video “Who Killed the Electric Car” and you’ll see what I mean. I do agree that the American obsession with SUVs is ridiculous….and if you see the aforementioned documentary, you’ll see that the government and the car industry worked together to push SUVs because those are more profitable for them and their buddies in the oil industry. Electric cars did not need oil or much maintenance, they were fast and clean, and those who had them in California fought and protested to keep them. Instead they were forcibly taken away and crushed clandestinely.

    I stand by what I said about hunters….anyone who enjoys killing, and does so for sport, is a creep….a completely amoral and characterless individual. And Stefani is right…anyone who hunts deer, especially with bows, is a sadistic jerk.

  28. Bane says:

    If Huckabee wins, I’m moving to Europe.

  29. Hazel Chambers says:

    Let me see if I understand this…shooting and killing is REALLY SAVING??

    This is the same nauseating excuse that has been used for years…and in fact….the National Georgraphic just had an article on hunting in which it spewed the same garbage….even had trophy hunters.

    Huckabee killed becasue he enjoyed killing….not because he wanted to help the envioronment.

  30. Hazel Chambers says:

    Bane

    I resepect your opinion and much of what you said….but must disagree that it is unrealistic to expect the world to go vegetarian. I suspect that the time will come when we no longer will have the resources….land….feed and water-wise to support the meat industry.

    I do wish that we could at least have a more humane “meat industry’ and one free of the many drugs and hormones used. Did you know that over 50% of antibiotics are used by the meat industry…..which is one reason we see a rise in bacteria that are not affected by current antibiotics?

  31. Michelle says:

    Meat eater, vegetarian, vegan, whatever, I really don’t care what a person’s diet is. I do not condone hunting, nor do I think it’s right, but my brother-in-law is an avid hunter, and I do not continuously argue with him about his “hobby.” Though I have commented about it once or twice. Either way, this article is really about Huckabee, and come on people, considering the popularity surrounding Clinton, Giuliani (how the hell do you spell his name?), and Obama, I HIGHLY DOUBT we’re going to see this guy as our next President. And if I’m wrong, we can then jump off a cliff as Don Earl commented.

  32. Tina says:

    As a mother who understands how precious a little tiny life is, and an animal lover too, it is hard to find a perfect candidate. However, I hope we can all consider our priorities and realize that the ones protecting animal rights either don’t protect harming an unborn fetus (North Carolia Marine and Baby that was just murdered, Lacey and Connor Peterson), nor do they seem to oppose Partial birth abortion which is a cruel method of killing a fetus at 20 weeks at birth. Just look it up on the internet. It is awful. So maybe we need to vote others into congress that support the animals to balance things out. Why would one candidate protect human life, an not animals or even our environment. It just doesn’t make sense.

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