Itchmo Reader Reports Acetaminophen In Pet Food

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Lab Report via Steve M.UPDATE: Here is the lab report Steve M. sent us.

ORIGINAL POST: As we were breaking news of a Texas lab reporting cyanuric acid in unrecalled food, an Itchmo reader informed us that he had a lab test turn up positive for acetaminophen on May 21. The results came from the same lab as the one cited by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

Here’s what Steve M. said in our comment section on May 21 at 11am:

I sent a sample of the Hill’s Science Diet Sensitive Stomach formula food, from the bag my cats had been eating from when they became ill, to Accutrace in Arlington, Texas. For $144 they agreed to test for the suspected pet food toxins (Melamine, Cyanuric Acid, Aminopterin, etc.) as well as other common toxins to pets. I received a call from the Lab today with the results of their analysis. To my surprise they did not find any of the suspected pet food toxins. But they did find something that is very toxic to cats in the food, Acetaminophen. If you are not familiar, acetaminophen is a pain reliever, marketed under the most common name as Tylenol. A little research will tell you that it doesn’t take much of this stuff to poison a cat.

This is not a case of my cats got into a tylenol capsule that was dropped on the floor or someone came into my house and spiked my open bag of cat food. This is a case of a known toxin to cats coming packaged in a bag of cat food from the store.

Repeat of full post from Steve M. after the jump.

From Steve M.:

The first week of April both of my cats became ill. We had recently opened a new bag of Hills Science Diet Sensitive Stomach, the same brand the cats had been eating for sometime. After a couple days of watching our cats conditions (vomiting, lethargy, apparent weight loss, etc.) worsen we made the trip to the Vet. After observation and blood and urine tests it was determined that both cats were in Acute Renal Failure. My male cat was in such poor condition at that point that the Vet recommended euthanizing him, which we ultimately did. My female cat was fairing a little better even though her diagnosis also found she was anemic as well. We started on a long regimen of IV’s and medications that continue to this day. She has recently shown signs of improvement but it has been costly both in a monetary and emotional sense.

Already being familiar with the pet food recall in the news I asked my Vet to order a Histopathology on my deceased cats internal organs so as to try and determine if he was poisoned. I also immediately contacted the FDA, which after me leaving numerous messages finally contacted me 10 days after my initial call. I also spoke with Hill’s, and to be honest I felt like they were really not very interested in my story. Hill’s ended up sending an application for me to request reimbursement for my Vet bills, even though my cats food was not and still to this day is not on the recall list. My deceased cats histopathology results came back and they did indicate poisoning. There was a crystalline feature in the kidneys that was indicative of this. At this point I contacted the FDA and Hill’s again to report the results. I asked Hill’s if they would like me to send them some of the cat food to test. To my amazement they declined and reitterated that I could ask for reimbursement for my Vet expenses. At this point I decided if I was going to find out what killed my cat I would have to do it myself. This I could not believe, because by this point in time we were about 6 weeks into this pet food crisis. I guess the experts already had everything figured out!

I sent a sample of the Hill’s Science Diet Sensitive Stomach formula food, from the bag my cats had been eating from when they became ill, to Accutrace in Arlington, Texas. For $144 they agreed to test for the suspected pet food toxins (Melamine, Cyanuric Acid, Aminopterin, etc.) as well as other common toxins to pets. I received a call from the Lab today with the results of their analysis. To my surprise they did not find any of the suspected pet food toxins. But they did find something that is very toxic to cats in the food, Acetaminophen. If you are not familiar, acetaminophen is a pain reliever, marketed under the most common name as Tylenol. A little research will tell you that it doesn’t take much of this stuff to poison a cat.

This is not a case of my cats got into a tylenol capsule that was dropped on the floor or someone came into my house and spiked my open bag of cat food. This is a case of a known toxin to cats coming packaged in a bag of cat food from the store.

This is my story to date. I just wanted to share with others because I truly believe there is more to this story than is being told. Don’t trust the FDA or the pet food manufacturer’s, they are just looking for a quick and convenient way to put this story to rest IMO. I will post again after more of my personal story unfolds. Best to all!

195 Responses to “Itchmo Reader Reports Acetaminophen In Pet Food”

  1. Gerry says:

    Iam sorry to hear about the lose of your kitty and the illness of the other one. Hope your kitty gets better. What is going on here? There better be an investigation as to where and why acetaminophen is ended up in our pet food!

  2. Susan says:

    Steve M., I feel so bad for you. I’m guessing that Hills and the FDA are sitting around picking their noses, waiting for someone to hammer them? I hope your survivor is doing better.

  3. 5CatMom says:

    What happens to tainted products that are recalled?

    Posted: Thursday, 09 November 2006 11:24AM

    Contamination Leads to Massive Pain Reliever Recall

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A major manufacturer of acetaminophen sold by Wal-Mart, CVS, Safeway and more than 100 other retailers recalled
    11 million bottles of the widely used pain-relieving pills Thursday after discovering some were contaminated with metal fragments.

  4. DonnaD says:

    what is going on here!? I’m almost afraid to come to this site and see what poison is surfacing now…and I’m even more afraid not to!

  5. Steve says:

    In less than a decade, China has captured 90 percent of the U.S. market for vitamin C, driving almost everyone else out of business. Chinese pharmaceutical companies also have taken over much of the world market in the production of antibiotics, analgesics, enzymes and primary amino acids.

    According to an industry group, China makes 70 percent of the world’s penicillin, 50 percent of its aspirin and 35 percent of its acetaminophen (often sold under the brand name Tylenol), as well as the bulk of vitamins A, B12, C and E.

  6. Susan says:

    Steve, From your article it sounds like they compressed the procedure for making Vitamin C. Has anyone tested its quality? Sadly, probably not.

  7. Steve says:

    Susan anyones guess. Probably not is correct. See the issue here is growth is completely out of control over there and U.S. Corporations are empowering it.

    We’re battling a two headed monster.

  8. Susan says:

    We need to battle our two headed monster and not each other. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been bashed here. To paraphrase, people have said that since I bought cheap, I (and I guess they mean my pets, too) deserved what I got. I did not buy cheap. This mess went across the board. I know it’s probably easier for some people to blame the victims,rather than face that their pets are at risk, but it could have happened to any of us. I’m sure Dave and Duan-o LOVE it when we fight here.

  9. Steve says:

    It’s greed. Overlooking things that matter in the long term big picture to get rich as fast and quickly as possible. I want now and no ones going to get in my way and stop me from doing it.

    Thats the attitude. The problem. “Gimme Mine Now Now Now. I could care less about what happens to anyone else.”

    Thats the greed mindset.

  10. mgm says:

    “The contaminants were found in foods that are not among the more than 150 brands recalled since March 16, Coneley said. The highest level of acetaminophen was found in a dog food sample submitted by a manufacturer, she said. Coneley declined to identify the company but said its officials were given the results “well over a month ago.” ”

    This is so outrageous that words fail me. “Declined to identify the company?” What the hell right does this Coneley have to withhold vital information from us–note that this contaminant was NOT found in the brands already recalled.

  11. Susan says:

    I think these companies scare the labs. Iams sure gave Itchmo a hassle for posting the cyanuric acid lab result. Steve is right. These pet food companies run on greed. I think the labs are probably afraid of lawsuits.

  12. mgm says:

    Called my daughter with this latest. She had just arrived home with a bag of Hill’s Science Diet Sensitive Stomach food for her cats. Purchased it at Petco which, she said, had a big sign over the shelves reading: Science Diet contains no wheat gluten.”

  13. jeff says:


    I don’t think Coneley is allowed to disclose that information and should not be blamed or faulted. They are only reporting what they find to who sent it in. It should be up to the company to do the right thing. The lab should be applauded not faulted. If it were not for them, none of us would know acetaminophen was in there at all.

  14. Gerry says:

    It is almost sad but true that now the label saying [contains no wheat gluten] is almost ‘old HAT’ with all the other poisons that have been found in our pets food. This had to be an accident or some crazy animal hater on the lose. I can see no reason to put acetaminophen in food items of any kind!

  15. DJackson says:

    I am kind a new here but have been on petconnection. Would like to know more about the lab that the food was sent to. My situation is very similar
    as had a cat (Alley) die from I believe the tainted food and one that has now became very picky about what she eats. I believe it was due to either Science diet or Iams (she was on both the last month, long story).
    Could someone tell me the exact address to send it to and if the bags have to be unopened and what the procedure is?

  16. Debbie4747 says:

    I believe some are using Accutrace

    The bags should be unopened so no one can say they’ve been tampered with. I’m so sorry about your loss of Alley and hope you find the results you are looking for.

  17. elizabeth says:

    DJackson, if the test is for your own piece of mind then opened or unopened is fine to send to the lab. If you wanted a sample that could be possibly used in court then an unopened bag is preferred. Would you mind telling us which Iams and which Science Diet products your ill cat has been consuming? And, best wishes for a full recovery for your kitty.

  18. E. Hamilton says:

    I am asking every person who reads this to go, today, and tell this story to someone who does not use the internet or have a computer.

    Go and tell your older neighbor, people in line at the grocery store, people in the pet food aisle, tell SOMEONE who is just getting sweet soothing lies from the TV what the truth is, and you, in this ONE act, will have done more to make this right than all the pet food companies combined have done in three months.

    And then do it again tomorrow.

  19. TEALCSMOMMY says:

    DJackson, this is the one I’ve seen on Itchmo.

  20. Susan says:

    DJackson, please get your food tested. If the bag is opened, post the lot number here and we can look for a sealed one for you.

  21. martin says:

    And they will find it.

  22. Garyn says:

    Gerry said: I can see no reason to put acetaminophen in food items of any kind!

    I was wondering the same thing. The melamine was used to increase protein. What possible use or better yet fraudulent use could acetaminophen have. A cheap substitute for glucosimine? But in a sensitive stomach cat food? Hills are the people who are teaching nutrition to our vets. As if that isn’t scary enough. And they don’t know that this is a highly lethal substance. This is horrible beyond words.

  23. Steve says:

    Profits over Pets? If you ask me Hills is to big and has to much Monopoly power.

    It’s nothing new they have used questionable things in their stuff. This though is truly obscene.

  24. Steve says:

  25. Anonymous says:

    MGM said: note that this contaminant was NOT found in the brands already recalled.

    That’s misleading: It was identified in the unrecalled brands which were sent to be tested. The recalled brands were not re-tested, were they?

  26. Steve says:

    Sorry bout the link above.

    “Regain the Momentum”

  27. 4lgdfriend says:

    I’d say it’s definitely Boston Tea Party time - except this crap would poison the water.

    But it is time. The 2-headed monster Steve mentioned will understand nothing else.

  28. Steve says:

    Hmmmm. Thats interesting. Never mind.

  29. Garyn says:

    Steve, the page you posted is gone. It says it no longer exists. What was on it?

  30. martin says:

    Link not working Steve.

  31. Anonymous says:

    Let’s hear Hills lie their way out of this one. Hills dry made where? What else is made there?

  32. Steve says:

    This works. “Our Promise”

  33. Anonymous says:

    It’s a great day to be a highly visible media figure proponent of Hills, isnt’ it ;-)

  34. Steve says:

    Oh thats right I forgot already. Hill’s Pet Nutrition, Inc is a subsidiary of Colgate-Palmolive Company

  35. Debbie4747 says:

    Is this the early warm-up for Recall Friday?

  36. Steve says:

    I’m sure the CP-Hills crisis room is busy Debbie. Cooking up their next move.

  37. E. Hamilton says:

    Hill’s word is worth exactly as much as their actions to get the word out about the symptoms of the poison, what to ask your vet or since that won’t help much how to pay for the cremation to make sure YOUR PETS remains don’t end up in a pet food can.


    Hills is POISON
    Hills are LIARS
    Hills KILLS!

  38. nancy says:

    can someone help: steve m. sent his sample to accutrace; the pitt-tribune interviewed expertox, both in texas. are these the same lab? or do we have 2 separate independent labs reporting acetaminophen in pet food?

    i think i’m gonna be sick.

  39. Steve says:

    Hills could get their butts sued off over this.

  40. Steve says:

    Hope the Veterinarians are paying attention to this.

  41. Susan says:

    I have decided to forward this info to the state vet board so they can fax it to the individual vets. Otherwise, I’m afraid they won’t pay attention. Mine didn’t; I had to change food and vets.

  42. 4lgdfriend says:

    Steve said: Hills could get their butts sued off over this.

    Right. And my guess why it has taken so long to identify while so much noise was made about melamine.
    This should be very interesting theater indeed…

  43. 4lgdfriend says:

    I still want to know what happened to the end of business 6/1 deadline set for the FDA to produce complete answers to all question in unredacted form.

    Serve ‘em.

  44. KatieKat says:

    Steve M….I am so sorry about your loss. Thank you for sharing and helping prevent other pets from dying from this food.

  45. Anonymous says:

    Aother banner day for Hills and their schills.

  46. Susan says:

    From Itchmo’s post on 5/31: “The letter was sent to the head of Health and Human Service, who oversees the FDA and provides a deadline of June 1 for the answers. If the FDA does not meet that deadline, the committee will “consider other options, including compulsory process.”

    How did Michael Leavitt respond, and how long does the Committee plan on considering other options?

  47. ann says:

    I can’t wait to hear how they’re going to spin acetominiphen in pet food.

  48. jood42 says:

    I just called Hill’s and they say they don’t know anything about it, and that they’d “definitely pass on my concerns.”

    For the sake of all that’s holy.

    Fortunately I mistakenly purchased hairball control instead of sensitive stomach last week, but that’s scant comfort, in that both the kitty who eats that and the kitty who needs a prescription diet both use Hill’s foods.

    No commitment to update their website more frequently, no commitment on what they’ve tested for. Nothing.

    They are either completely callous scum - possible - or incredibly inept at internal communications - more likely. Either possibility doesn’t ensure my cats’ diets are safe.

    Thanks for sharing the information.

  49. Garyn says:

    jood42 Says:

    I just called Hill’s and they say they don’t know anything about it, and that they’d “definitely pass on my concerns.”

    ME: That is just such complete Bulls&%^$.

    Jood42 says: “They are either completely callous scum - possible - or incredibly inept at internal communications - more likely.

    ME: My vote goes with completely callous scum

    The pass on your concerns part is both infuriating and condescending. The stuff was found in the food. It kills animals. “Concerns” doesn’t come close to what we think about what they have done. I am having a head explosion.

  50. menusux says:

    OK people–here’s the URL for the Directory there: - /media/usarg/generalcontent/home/en/

    Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:21 PM 64335 img_RegainTheMomentum_521×186_en.jpg

    Go in on the first link and you will get into the Media Content Directory where the Regain The Momentum image can be found.

  51. jood42 says:

    If they really have known about this for a month and done nothing, they are either criminally incompetent or corrupt. Or both.

    I have absolutely no idea what to feed my cats now.

  52. Tammy Zack says:

    I use to have three cats, now I am down to two, with one being ill. In January, my 6 year old cat was hospitalized for vomiting. We never did find out why. Although, his labs were normal. Three weeks later, my darling 11 month old kitten,Lucy Lu, developed non-regenerative anemia, pettechiae and ecchyomosis over her entire ventrum. She was bleeding internally. This was all prior to the food recall. I can’t help but wonder if some of the recalled food that I was feeding at the time played a part in all of this. My now 12 year old cat, is ill, although he had been sick two years ago, he came out of remission in March. I just pray it wasn’t the food and all of this could have been prevented. My heart goes out to all who lost a beloved pet due to this tainted food, it should have never happened.

  53. Gerry says:

    Garyn. Can you use acetaminohpen as a substitute for glucosimine???

  54. YaYa says:

    IT’S GONE.

    Menusux, the new lnk you posted for the “momentum medis jpg” is Gone now: “site does not exist” as of 5:53pm.

    They Are Watching and Reading Every Post Here right now folks.



  55. Steve M. says:

    Hello all. I am the poster of the story above. I appreciate all the thoughtful comments. I thought I could also clear up some of the other things being discussed. First Hill’s has been aware of my test results for over two weeks. After they figured out I wasn’t going away quietly they finally did send someone to my house last Thursday to pick up some of the food for testing. So if they are telling you they know nothing about it they are
    lieing.I have email’s as proof.
    Next the question of the lab. I used Accutrace who then apparently contracted out to EXPERTOX. I think others who have food tested may have gone directly to EXPERTOX if that is possible.
    Next don’t assume one variety is safer than another. Another owner whose sample tested positive for acetaminophen reported it as being another type of Hill’s food. You can view her lab results as well as mine and another owners at this link:
    Lastly, I have mentioned to both Hill’s and the FDA that we could be dealing with a criminal matter. Just how does acetaminophen make it into pet food?I hope they come up with something I can believe.

  56. T. Eric says:

    A little good news to share.

    I had my PetTabs & Missing Link tested. All negative. Pups get vitamins tonight!!!

  57. Gerry says:

    I just called the maker of the natural pet tabs I have been adding to my pugs homemade food. I asked if the inflamaway was made in the U.S. and he said yes. I than asked if there were any ingredients in them from China.. he said well. yes most of the ingredients are from China. If we used U.S. ingredients it would bring the price way up. There you go…Iam going back to using kelp powder. Does anyone out there know where kelp powder is from?

  58. Ruth says:

    I’d still like to know who is the pet food manufacturer that also tested their product? They have known for a month and still doing nothing.

    Guess they hoped no one would be the wiser. And the GREED just continues. No one taking responsibility. Oh…. it forgot they all did their part when Menu Foods did the recall. May this be the 5th ingredient?

    Like some one said how are they going to spin their story on finding Acetaminophen in the pet food. Bet the PR firms are working around the clock on riot control pulling an all nighter trying to hide the truth.

  59. YaYa says:

    AccueTraceTesting IS EXPERTOX. Just so folks know.

    One in the same essentially. They are on the Web.

    These is also, or it’s, doing *Independent* testing. {I can’t remember if there is an “s” in the title or not.

    WHOM Ever you use for Testing, make Sure they are an *Independent* Lab. {and are aware of the pet food poisoning situation}

  60. menusux says:

    YaYa Says:

    June 5th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
    IT’S GONE.

    Menusux, the new lnk you posted for the “momentum medis jpg” is Gone now: “site does not exist” as of 5:53pm.

    They Are Watching and Reading Every Post Here right now folks.



    Try these–I still can view them at the original URLs:

  61. nancy says:

    thanks, steve m., for your story and clarification, and for your time and money spent finding out what happened to your kitties. i’m sorry for the loss of your little boy.

  62. Sandy says:

    Steve M , I am so sorry about your cats and Hil’s run around . I have posted a few times that when they recalled the Hills M/D I suspected more would be bad but ..nobody would admit it…I stopped buying Rx Hills .Its crazy that people have to pay to test foods ..I can’t afford too.

    On the Vitamin C (not sure if you mentioned it above or another Steve )but I wrote Alacer makers of EMERGEN -C

    THIS is their reply:

    Thank you for taking the time to write.

    Our Vitamin C supplier, Jiangsu Jiangshan Pharmaceutical Corp. (JSPC), is a large pharmaceutical (not nutraceutical) enterprise in China. JSPC operates using Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP) and the control standard maintained by the company is higher than international standards. JSPC is also in conformity with ISO9002 standards (international recognition) and they meet U. S. Pharmacopoeia, British Pharmacopoeia and Japanese Pharmacopoeia standards.

    Additionally, once the material is received by Alacer, it is held in quarantine for analytical testing to assure ingredient identity and purity. Then during production, another series of testing is conducted. Finally, all finished goods are held in quarantine again for a final round of analytical testing. This same level of rigorous testing is applied to every ingredient Alacer uses.

    If you have any further questions, please let me know.

    Kindest regards,

    I ended up thanking them for being honest and letting them know I will not do business with them as I will not DO China

    Hills..and Purina are big names and a lot of vets pimp their foods..they will get away with a lot of death and illness sadly this is a fact

  63. Garyn says:

    Steve M I am so sorry for your loss. And thankyou for providing this information.

    Gerry, my thought process was that both are used to treat osteoarthritis. Glucosamine repairs cartilege and Acetaminophen provides relief for arthritic pain assuming the animal doesn’t die first!!! So the animal has pain relief, stiffness is gone and you think it is because the food says it has glucosime which is expensive. This was just the first thing I thought of because why else would a deadly pain reliever be in pet food. The scientists must have been drunk that day. This is criminal.

  64. Gerry says:

    I cant help but wonder if this time it is a loon running around trying to be a serial pet killer!! It may sound nutty ,but before this recall happened adding melamine to pet food and antifreeze to toothpaste sounded pretty nutty too.

  65. Debbie4747 says:

    I’m so sorry over your loss and would like to thank you for posting your story and having the food tested. I hope we will be able to prove to all what criminals we are dealing with.

  66. YaYa says:

    I’m Glad you posted Steve M. And that you are sticking to your guns. You may well save many pet ives with your being open about this. {as the food maker{s} seem not to care}

    I hope yur other cat recovers completely. And I’m sorry you lost another.

    This is just is Very hard to believe that this “medication” is showing up in FOODS!
    No reason, No excuse, will do. For NONE exist.

    There are Warnings on every bottle of Brand name or generic Acetaminophen. {that just for humans}.

    And I’d venture to say that Most pet owners know Acetaminophen is a Huge No-No for pets! The Vets Always tell folks don’t give acetaminophen. It’s a given.

    Good Gawd what could possibly have happened for this much, in Sooo many brands to show up?!

    Anyway, I hope Progress is your fortune there Steve M.
    Thanks for stopping by!

  67. Susan says:

    North American Kelp gets their kelp off the coast of Maine. Their website is Hope that helps.

  68. martin says:

    jood42 Says:

    I just called Hill’s and they say they don’t know anything about it, and that they’d “definitely pass on my concerns.”

    That’s Bull ****. They know and have been told.

    Steve M says:

    First Hill’s has been aware of my test results for over two weeks. After they figured out I wasn’t going away quietly they finally did send someone to my house last Thursday to pick up some of the food for testing. So if they are telling you they know nothing about it they are
    lieing.I have email’s as proof.

    They have no intentions of doing anything. Not until the media gets involved.

    Thanks to Itchmo and the labs for finding this. Maybe now that the cat is out of the bag there wont be as many placed in one!

  69. Gerry says:

    Garyn. That makes alot of sense!! Than everyone goes around bragging on their dog food that works wonders for rovers joint pain. I think you may have something there. Or it is the loon theory.

  70. Maureen says:

    New USDA People Food Recall: Listeria possible - very dangerous

    Stop & Shop precooked chicken product recalled in NY, NJ

    New York Firm Recalls Chicken Products For Possible Listeria Contamination
    Recall Release CLASS I RECALL

    WASHINGTON, June 5, 2007 - The Really Cool Food Company, a Syosset, N.Y., firm, is voluntarily recalling approximately 140 pounds of chicken products that may be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service announced today.

    The following products are subject to recall: [View Labels, PDF Only]

    * 12-ounce trays of “STOP & SHOP All Natural Grilled Balsamic Flavored Chicken Breast, ALL-NATURAL CHEF PREPARED READY-TO-HEAT MEALS.” Each label bears the establishment number “P-33912″ inside the USDA mark of inspection and a “Sell-by” date of “6/12/07.”

    The chicken products were produced on May 24, 2007 and were distributed to retail establishments in New Jersey and New York.

  71. Gerry says:

    Susan..Thank you for the info on the kelp p…

  72. Faith says:

    Sandy, Your comment about vets pimping Science Diet and Purina is very accurate (and hilarious…. we have to find the humor when we can)! Just yesterday I watched a couple of vets hand a dog’s person some Purina One food and convince the person that this would make her dog want to eat again. It was sooooo hard to stay in my seat and mind my own business. I chased the woman down when she left and tried to talk to her about vets and these foods but she didn’t listen. Maybe when she finally sees it in the mainstream news or has her own terrible experience she will listen.

    Steve, My heart breaks for your human family and your furry family. Thank you so much for sharing the details! It’s what your kitties would have asked you to do …. if only we were smart enough to communicate directly with them. Best wishes.

  73. Ticocats says:

    Menusux, if you can still can view them at the original URLs, they’re probably stored on your local computer’s cache. Try searching for a file named
    and if you find it, make a copy and save it somewhere else (on your desktop or where ever) so it won’t vanish if/when you clear the web browser cache.

  74. CCnDuke says:

    Try these folks:

    They have been forthcoming with info when I dealt with them.

    Love to Those on Rainbow Bridge and Luck to Us Who Aren’t

  75. JJ says:

    Who is doing this, why are they doing this, how can they sleep at night while the sickness and deaths go on and on? These person(s) need to be hung in a public square for all to see. Even that would not be good enough for them!

  76. mara says:

    Can someone post the number for Hills. And also the number for the correct person at FDA. Can everyone please call Hills on Friday between 9am-12 pm and have the phone ringing off the hook and demand you speak with the head of the company. Call many many times till they stop giving the famous line. “I will pass on your concerns,” and demand the contact for the head of this company, get a fax number and fax a picture of a loved pet that was poisoned and tell them they killed your pet,how many more are they going to kill. Demand they call a full pet food recall and tell the world the truth. Anyone who has lost a pet should be also calling media until they get someone to get this story out. If you have a child, have the child get on the phone and tell them Hills has poison and killed their pet. Enough is enough and phones, faxes etc should be going to these companies. getting cheap poison from China. IT is time to put greed out of business and never buy their products. Life has no value, animal or human on this planet and greed is the biggest disease of all.People need to speak up now. We will all have to start cooking for our own pets. THis is a wake-up call that everyone is outsourcing to China with disregard for your life or a loved pet or child.China has garbage and it;s cheap. Even toxic toys with lead are allowed here to poison the children. Contact your law makers. Boycott the China Olympics.

  77. Gerry says:

    CCnDuke..Thank you too! This is much appreciated.

  78. Ann H says:

    I am so glad this is getting co-ordinated.

    Can we set up a paypal fund for testing fees?

    I know I cannot afford to have a couple of the wet food pouches I have here tested, but I can certainly afford to contribute to a testing fund and I trust Itchmo & family.

  79. Ruth says:

    To Steve M. Don, and Sharon, Thanks for posting your results. Sorry, for you loss.

    Its so sad that pet parents have to pay so much to have these food samples tested because pet food companies don’t want to admitt they are wrong or worse they knew what they are doing.

    Steve M, I went to that website you posted and all 3 times I went to read the test results the internet explorer would boot me off and I had to start again but I read the results. How strange?

  80. Susan says:


    From their website:
    Contact Hill’s by phone:
    If you would prefer to speak with us immediately and are located in North America, call us at 1-800-445-5777 from 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. CST, Monday-Friday.

  81. Lorie says:

    Steve M,

    What a wonderful tribute to your cat Chuckles, and I love how she got her name. Mine too love to chatter at the window watching birds. Thank you fo sharing your finding with all us regarding the HILLS my littlest was eating C/D before all this as her dry, my oldest was eating Eukanuba dry and they both ate FF Elegant medleys that has not been recalled either when they both fell ill within 24 hours of each other. Heck after hearing this maybe all 3 were bad who will ever know, After 9 weeks both seem to be doing well totally off wet pet food and KUMPI dry for vitamins. I wanted to have my remaining case of FF tested but they are tricky and mix different batches in the case of 24 and I do not know which number was on the 2 cans that poisoned them because I threw them out. *SIGH* It is amazing how even in manufacturing they are in CYA mode. Pretty scary

  82. Gerry says:

    Mara. count me in! Is that eastern time? I live in the west? I would hate to miss the right time!

  83. J. H. says:


  84. Ticocats says:

    I also had a seemingly health cat go into sudden renal failure while eating a non-recalled Hill’s dry food. She survived, and is now totally into home cookin’. Meanwhile, I threw away almost $200 worth of Hill’s products (long story - I live in a very remote area.)

    Best news (other than my cat’s survival): I’ve been helping keep our vet informed by sending her Itchmo and Petconnection entries, and she’s now stopped selling Hill’s products entirely.

  85. HomeGrown says:

    Didn’t know if anyone saw this yet. Hope you aren’t using these vitamins.

    FDA Responds to Chairman Waxman’s Question about Lead in Women’s Multivitamins

  86. Kiki says:



    posted at:


    Zheng Xiaoyu Meet Lester Crawford
    Corporate Crime Reporter, May 31, 2007
    Straight to the Source

    Zheng Xiaoyu meet Lester Crawford.Lester Crawford is the former head of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    Zheng Xiaoyu is the former head of China’s equivalent of the FDA.

    Both have been convicted of crimes committed while in office.

    Earlier this week, Zheng was sentenced to death.

    Earlier this year, Crawford was sentenced to three years probation.

    Zheng was sentenced to death for allegedly pocketing bribes from drug makers seeking fast track approval.

    Zheng allegedly took cash and gifts from eight companies, either personally or routed through his wife and son, for approving fake medicine.

    Zheng was convicted of the charges after a ten-day closed door trial.

    And sentenced to death.

    It was a political trial and a political sentence that came on the heels of news stories that threatened China’s export-driven economy.

    What was concerning China’s political leadership?

    Was it the bribery?

    Was it the babies that died of malnutrition in Anhui province in 2004 after they were fed fake milk powder with no nutritional value?

    Was it the antibiotic approved by the food and drug agency during Zheng’s tenure that killed at least 10 patients in 2006 before it was taken off the market?

    No, no, and no.

    It was the dead dogs and cats in the United States that were dying from contaminated pet food from China.

    It was the exported contaminated toothpaste that contained a chemical used in antifreeze.

    It was the Chinese medical products linked to deaths in Panama.

    The news of exports from China killing abroad threatened the foundations of the Chinese economy.

    And someone had to pay the price.

    That would be Zheng Xiaoyu.

    What message does our system send when the former head of our FDA gets his industry ties caught in the Justice Department’s grinder?

    No jail.

    Three years probation.

    $90,000 fine.

    Nice paying job at a pharma consulting firm.

    Even a keynote address at Harvard University later this year on the topic of FDA compliance.

    That of course would be the case of former FDA chief Lester Crawford.

    It wasn’t his corporate ideology that got former Crawford in trouble last year.

    It was trying to hide the extent of his corporate connections.

    In October 2007, Crawford pled guilty to charges that he hid his ownership in stock in food and drug companies that the FDA regulates. He was sentenced earlier this year to three years probation and fined $90,000.

    For the past year or so, Crawford has worked at a consulting firm, Policy Directions.

    And he’s scheduled to appear as a keynote speaker later this year at the FDA Regulatory and Compliance Symposium at Harvard University.

    Dr. Steve Nissen, for one, is troubled by the extent of the pharmaceutical industry’s ties to federal cops on the corporate crime beat.

    Nissen is chairman of the Department of Cardiovascular Medicine at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation.

    He is concerned about the “imbalance of power between the FDA and industry.”

    “When drug studies reveal toxicity or lack of efficacy, the FDA is not permitted to release the results and the findings are often not published, thereby denying patients and physicians access to vitally important safety information,” Nissen said in little reported comments last year at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

    The reason?

    Conflicts of interest at the highest levels of the FDA.

    The entire FDA budget for drug regulation is about $500 million and relies extensively on pharmaceutical industry user fees, Dr. Nissen said.

    As a result, the FDA is financially indebted to the companies it must regulate.

    Nissen pointed to Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who was sitting right next to him at the National Press Club event.

    Gottlieb was deputy FDA commissioner at the time. He later resigned to join the corporate funded American Enterprise Institute.

    “For years, we had an interim FDA Commissioner, Lester Crawford, who shortly after confirmation, abruptly resigns, apparently because he and his wife owned stock in regulated companies,” he says.

    “Then the administration appointed Andrew Von Eschenbach as interim commissioner, creating another conflict,” Dr. Nissen says. “In his role as director of the National Cancer Institute, Von Eschenbach must seek FDA approval for human testing or approval of new cancer drugs, an obvious conflict.”

    “Even worse, the administration appointed Scott Gottlieb as deputy commissioner,” Dr. Nissen says. “He came to this job with no regulatory experience, directly from Wall Street, where he served as a biotech analyst and stock promoter. Between them, Drs. Von Eschenbach and Gottlieb have whined incessantly about the need to speed drug development. So while the American people worry about the safety of drugs, the top FDA leadership tells us we need faster drug approval.”

    When asked about his industry connections, Gottlieb said that he complied with all legal requirements.

    But that wasn’t Nissen’s point.

    It’s legal in the United States for the pharmaceutical companies to take over the FDA.

    No death penalty needed.

  87. Kevin says:

    I’m so sorry for your loss Steve. I’m impressed with the investigation you did to provide us with this information. Although I make all my cats food from raw meat, I have been following these stories for several weeks now and I am appalled at the FDA and the commercial pet food industry.

    Everyone here, you are so right. Corporate America is not going to tell you or help you with anything unless you follow through like Steve did to get the word out.

    Steve, file a law suit and keep everything documented.


  88. getting skinny! says:

    Okay, so when all this started coming down with the pet food recall, I called a company that makes dog treats, I asked where they were made… silly me, thought they made them right where they office was located in a small colorado community.. NOT.. big facility in utah. I asked specifically where their ingredients came from, all usa or sourced out? They told me that the glucosimine & controtian (sp)… has to come from China as all the mfgers in the USA could not keep up with the low prices… true or not, how do we find out?

    China has so much control over our country, time for us to take our country back. I am selecting 4 items a day that are in my household, I am calling each mfg to find out ALL details on the food/health products, anything out of the country, in the trash, and no I can not afford it, but what else are we suppose to do? Does anyone remember in the news last January or so.. a freighter ship from China got stuck in the sand off of Florida and some of the containers fell over board….. does anyone remember the do*ritos chips floating on the water???

  89. Sandy says:

    I like that sentencing to death stuff they do in China. I think some at the FDA and Menu foods…..and pet food company CEO’s should have to be sentenced to the same

  90. Anonymous says:

    Sandy, I am surprised how detailed the response from Alacer was. I find that much better than the companies who are claiming all US ingredients while their products are full of vitamins B and C. A manufacturer who understands where the stuff comes from, and tests it, is much safer than one who believes it’s all made here and never investigates.

  91. Leslie k says:

    Hi everyone- A little off topic. My chihuahua has been sick for the last 2 wks. Blood in urine & urine not concentrating.Very high Bilirubin & GGTP. Extremely high Eosinophils & low T4. High RBC on urinalysis. This only started after switching his food. He has had Wellness lamb dry dog, Canidae lamb dry dog , Timberwolf venison & lamb , Wellness super 5 chicken & Evangers pheasant & br rice. Don’t know which is causing the problem. My lab mix had the runs for 2 wks & now my beagle is having accidents in the house. So far so good on the cats. I can’t afford to have all of the foods tested. Already did 1 & the vet bills. Most are open but I have an unopened Evangers. Just wanted to let everyone else using these foods know ther might be a problem.

  92. menusux says:

    Ticocats Says:

    June 5th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
    Menusux, if you can still can view them at the original URLs, they’re probably stored on your local computer’s cache. Try searching for a file named
    and if you find it, make a copy and save it somewhere else (on your desktop or where ever) so it won’t vanish if/when you clear the web browser cache.

    They’ve closed their directory–which should never have been open to the public in the first place.

    Directory Listing Denied
    This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

    Directory Listing Denied
    This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

    Directory Listing Denied
    This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed

    Directory Listing Denied
    This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

    Directory Listing Denied
    This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

    So here’s Regain the Momentum:

    Proving they are watching this website.

    Why can directories be shut so quickly but NO answers re: acetaminophen from the company? Why no voluntary recalls? Deny it if it’s not there–actions like this infer everyone here is right on the $. The media is watching this situation from both sides–your actions and silence and what’s posted on the pet blogs–there are TWO sides to this and yours won’t talk at all.

  93. Moony says:

    Why do I get the sinking feeling the unnamed company will turn out to be Natural Balance? Oh yeah, because my Miaka died of liver failure, and in the past they’ve lied and otherwise been uncooperative bastiches.

    Leslie K - Which food did you switch to that started causing the Chi’s problems? ‘Cause that would be your culprit. Otherwise if you’re feeding ALL those different foods, I’d start a process of elimination, beginning with Timberwolf since as I recall they’re canned by our favorite Menu Foods. Then Wellness, since they’ve just been bought out by a conglomerate (Purina?).

  94. DJackson says:

    Thanks for the reply’s, I have about decided to go ahead and have the pet food that I have left tested, even if it is just for my own peace of mind.
    What I have is 1 open bag of Hills S D, one opened Iams and 2 unopened cans of Hills- one of them is Hills Diabetes Management and the other is Hills Prescription W/D. The 2 cans were sent home with us the first day Alley got sick, we took her back to the vet the next day and she never left so they were never opened but I believe it possible she was given some of the same at the Vet’s. The first day we took her to the vet we were told she had diabetes but that she would be ok and was sent home with instructions. After taking her back the next day (lethargic and vomiting) they kept her and re ran the blood test and we were called and told she had acute rental failure and there was no hope . After resisting we agreed to have her put down, this was 2 weeks prior to the recall. The Vet could not explain why her BUN was 21 and then three days later was 71.
    About two months before she became ill we had changed her to
    Iams Adult (alternated with her normal Meow Mix) then while at the vet in Jan 06 was told since she had gained weight that Science Diet would be better so we bought it from the Vet, this was about 1 month before she became ill and was the dry and is the open bag that I have left. We have another cat that never ate the S Diet and never got sick but has since Alley died became very finicky about what she eats and I noticed this also before the recall. I have turned all this into the FDA and they called and took my info but that was months ago and have never heard anything back. But I do think I will go ahead and have what I have tested.

  95. Janet says:

    How the “blank” (you fill it in), did acetaminophen get into pet food and why are the sirens not going off about it?
    No sirens??? Because it is not required by law.
    Pets are worth very little in the eyes of the law and companies stand to lose money if they reveal this information. Therefore, our pets are once again victims in the name of profits.
    It is such a sad commentary on the way of our world these days.
    Someone on itchmo recently posted the following quote. I wish I knew who to attribute it to, but I’ve lost the link.
    This quote should be the established as the battlecry of pet bloggers who are still following these incredible unfolding events.


    “Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage.”

    Naomi Littlebear
    Native American Writer
    The Dark of the Moon

  96. mittens says:

    i guess the real question is what ingredient exactly was the acetaminophen put in. how many months has this been? how could anyone including the fda be so arrogant to assume no one dare challenge their half assed incomplete, redacted results?

    ‘ even if the pets are still getting sick, you must acquit’?

    i guess theyve been spending all their time rigorously keeping canadian made cheap drugs out of the hands of america’s elderly and poor to ‘protect’ them but insuring a flood of poison from all other fronts. bravo.

  97. Lisa Clay says:

    Thank you Maureen for the Stop n Shop info - we shop there all the time.

    To Steve - I am so sorry for the loss of your cat. Perhaps your cat’s story will make it to the national news where it belongs. You have the proof and no one can argue with proof.

    I can’t afford to have food tested but should any of my cats pass away, I will have them tested.

    I don’t understand how this continues to go on this way, nearly 3 months later. Do companies really think we are STUPID? With websites where we can post, read everyone’s story, get food facts and know we are not alone, we become a rather large voice for safety. Companies and the government can keep trying to ignore this, but it is not going away.

    I talk to everyone I know about the pet food recall, and while I’m sure there are some people who think I’m a bit over the top, I do point out that it has affected our (people) food as well. Ignoring it does not make it go away and if anything, the longer the companies avoid telling the truth, the more damage they are doing themselves.

    Again, HATS OFF to Itchmo - and I see from reading earlier, Itchmo is banned in China. Why am I not surprised?

    Just a note to everyone who hears the words ISO tested (whichever version, 9000, 9001), keep in mind that the Firestone tires on the Ford trucks came from an ISO inspected and approved tire manufacturer.

  98. Kevin says:

    Lisa Clay,

    I don’t believe that Corporate America thinks were stupid. What they do know is that we are helpless. They know that no one individual can compete with the resources they have at their disposal. They have the money and we are the victims. After reading all these posts, it just makes me sick! If it were my pet that was poisened, I would be kicking axx and taking names. Literally!

    Once again Steve, my thoughts are with you.

  99. Lisa Clay says:

    Kevin - You are right and they do have all the money.

    I haven’t purchased any foods from Menu or any company that uses Menu. I have verified where all the food I am feeding has come from and had fed some of the recalled Nutro.

    I am one person who will never use any of the products again, but it has to be everyone. We can hit them where it hurts financially, if we all do it together. I spend on average about $100 a month on food for 3 cats. I realize that it’s a drop in the bucket when it is just me, but again, as a group we can make a difference.

    I should also add that I have spent a LOT of $ on vet costs in the last 3 months and will have continued expenses making sure everyone is healthy.

  100. mittens says:

    my understanding was that Wellness and Old Mother hubbard( same company) although not recalled had their canned foods ( before being bought) made at Melamu i mean Menu Foods.

  101. Joan says:

    Steve M. - Great insight to test for other known toxins to pets in the pet food.

    The pets taken for us and the ill from the toxic food are forever remembered in our hearts.

  102. Lorie says:

    leslie K,

    My holistic vet sent back her whole line of Wellness that she carried at the office after her 5 cats became ill one of which died, from the dry IHO, and also found out her dog has cancer and he is not very old all he ever at was Wellness, so again in her opinion Wellness is the culprit.

    I also believe some of their dry is made by CJ Foods which made the recalled Blue Buffalo Kitten Dry. and Wellness wet is done by MENU

    I know many people personally having success with Canidae and Felidae so I would bag the rest and call it a day.

  103. menusux says:

    Local lab finds pet food contaminated
    KTRK-TV, ABC-13, Houston June 5, 2007

    “A Houston doctor says he’s uncovered pet food contaminated with pain medication.

    “The doctor who runs the lab believes the problems with pet food are far from over. His finding has sparked a new federal investigation.

    “Just one little acetaminophen pill is enough to kill a cat. But according to the lab, this drug was found in at least a half dozen pet food samples.

    “Technicians at EperTox in Deer Park test all kinds of samples. For the past few months more than a thousand of those samples have been different types of pet food. The results are troubling.

    “”We don’t really how big and how involved this problem is right now. We are only uncovering the beginning of it,” said Dr. Ernest Lykissa.

    “What Dr. Lykissa says he uncovered in his lab is more contaminated pet food. In more than two dozen samples Dr. Lykissa says either cyanuric acid or acetaminophen were found.

    “”Poisonous yes, if we’re testing for it here, it’s potentially poisonous to you,” he said.

    “The highest level of acetaminophen contamination came from a sample sent in by a manufacturer. It tested at 2 milligrams of the painkiller per gram of dog food.

    “Due to a confidentiality agreement, the lab can not reveal which pet food samples tested positive for the drugs. At least one sample was Pet Pride cat food. All test results were reported to the pet food makers, which should have been reported to the FDA.

    “It may be up to owners to police pet food because, according to the lab manager, no one from the FDA has investigated their positive findings. In fact, to date not a single government inspector has asked to look at one of the tainted pet food samples tested in this laboratory.

    “Late this afternoon, an FDA spokesperson says the agency is trying to get those samples. For now Dr. Lykissa considers the quality of pet food questionable.

    “The makers of Pet Pride food said court order prevents them from commenting on our story. ”

    And now you see that FDA doesn’t even move quickly when toxins are discovered. Manufacturers know this–and this is why they feel they don’t need to issue recalls.

  104. JJ says:

    Lesliek sorry to hear of you lil ones being sick. As far as the Wellness ck and see if it has canola oil in it. If so call or contact the company that makes it and ask if the canola is genetically modified. Couple places for genetically modified information are:

  105. Lorie says:

    This is so insane, pet food is never going to get better it never ends.
    My mother called this evening and I was feeding the cats baked chicken and she said ARE YOU STILL NOT USING PET FOOD. I said no mom they just found acetaminophen in the food, she about dropped the phone.

    When my husband came home form work I told him about all the new findings and he said WHY DOESN”T THE FDA ARREST THEM, I just LOL and said you have no idea what is going on……………………..

  106. Joan says:

    menusux Says:

    June 5th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
    Local lab finds pet food contaminated
    KTRK-TV, ABC-13, Houston June 5, 2007

    The tests were conducted over the past month. An FDA spokesperson says the agency wants to test the samples independently to determine the levels of contaminants.

    Hmmm… levels - Is FDA looking for a way out again?

  107. Trudy Jackson says:

    Steve, I’m so sorry for all you’ve been through. My cats died eating hills Z/D. I called the FDA. This was just before the recalling of food. I lost 3 of them. No one would test the food. Now i’m even angrier than I was.

  108. soverysad says:

    Oh Trudy, oh Steve, all the others that have lost their kids, my heart is so sad for you…. now I wonder about our girl Beany that died in December…. guess what we were feeding her…. Z/D…. I am so sorry for your losses, we all so need to band together, be organized in what actions we all take. How do we do a nation wide boycott of all of these pet food companies & human food companies? Ohhhhhh our kids, our sweet, sweet, kids

  109. karen says:

    Will this never end? Sheesh….
    My heart goes out to Steve and everyone whose pets have been affected by the tainted pet food.

    Trackback link:

  110. Kevin says:

    Lisa Clay,

    Food for thought. No pun intended. I just want to share with you what I have done for my Tonkinese cats all their lives. I have fed them nothing but raw food with the mixture of the proper ingredients. I’m sure you have heard about some of the recipes out there. To help relieve some of the burden and stress of the commercial pet food you may think about making a switch and just make your own. The products I use are from Celestial Pets provided by Dr. Yarnall Ph.D.

    There are tons of holistic web sites that encourage and help people make their own pet food.

    Forgive me if this sounds like I’m trying to promote something here, I’m not. I just want to give you some choices to relieve you from the current pet food crises. There are alternatives out there besides the commercial pet food industry.

    I don’t fear the commercial pet food industry. They just make me sick!

  111. Molly's Mom says:

    I have been following these boards and Itchmo since the recall began. We are so thankful they are here. We got a new puppy the day before the recall was announced. Turned out she had been eating recalled food.

    We switched her several times, and each time the food was recalled a week or so later. She was getting sicker and weaker. We thought we would lose her.

    Thanks to these boards, we tried many quality foods. What we found was Canidae for my puppy Molly, and Felidae for our cat.

    We’ve been feeding them both for three weeks. It is a miracle. My puppy is thriving and glowing. She is healthy, she is growing. She is strong. She is finally gaining weight. She looks beautiful. No more diarrhea. No more lethargy. She is as healthy as can be, thanks to Canidae. Her fur is now soft and silky. I am so happy we found it. I believe she would be dead if I hadn’t found it.

    We are so thankful for Itchmo which allowed us to learn about Canidae and Felidae. We had never heard of these products. We will be using this product exclusively from now on.

    My old cat always had hair problems. Her hair would mat even though we brushed her every day. We mistakenly thought she had “bad hair.” The Felidae has turned it into silk. I am just so amazed. And, so MAD that we gave them bad foods for so long. That will never happen again.

    All those years we trusted the major brands makes me sick. It just makes me sick.

  112. Trudy Jackson says:

    Soverysad, Thank You, and I’m so sorry you lost your little girl. If this goes back even further then I have lost 5. who knows? I have a friend in Canada who says she lost Her cat on Hills Z/D too. This is too sad.
    Boycott the Olimpics!!!
    Boycott the pet food companies and P&G.

  113. Lisa Clay says:

    Kevin - Although I don’t know if I could do raw, I am considering making my own food for my cats, with the correct added vitamins of course. I have purchased Dr. Pitcairn’s book and it includes recipes for cat food. The Halo website (I feed the Halo Spot’s Stew), even offers a copy of their own recipe. I also have a vet tech friend who makes her own pet food and she works with a holistic vet who cooks for her pets as well (raw as well as cooked). The holistic vet actually has videos and books on teaching people how to cook for their pets. You are smart for feeding raw but I just get too nervous.

    I have a cat with very serious intestinal problems (she has had them for years, long before the recall) and I have read that sometimes raw doesn’t help that condition. The books I have even contain recipes for cats with stomach problems.

    Of course the media is frowning on both raw and home cooked. However, there was an article posted on the Wall Street Journal of a vet who recommended cooking until the pet food recall is over (if ever).

  114. Claire says:

    Just want to add my experience with Hills to the growing list. My healthy 2 year old cat went into kidney failure in March. Since September the only food she had eaten was Science Diet. I fed her the indoor cat formula dry and various canned flavors (but not the Feline Savory Cuts that were recalled). She has been to three different vets, none of whom have been able to identify any cause for a cat her age to be in kidney failure (she has been through quite a few tests). The specialty referral vet that treated my cat for 6 weeks told me she suspects the food (even though it has not been recalled) because the symptoms of my cat are identical to the other pets she is treating for recall related illnesses. At this point my kitty is still under treatment and is not doing well. I kept the unopened cans I had left and a ziplock bag full of the dry food but right now I cannot afford to have them tested as I have spent so much money at the vet.

    On another note, what happened to the information I read several weeks ago that the contaminated ingredient was not wheat gluten and rice protein but wheat flour? That information seems to have fizzled out and died. The Hills website, for instance, has no acknowledgement of that information. They state: “Please note that Hill’s tests the imported vegetable protein it receives for melamine. Additionally, Hill’s has eliminated wheat gluten from our product formulas and does not use vegetable protein (including rice protein concentrate) from suppliers in China.” Why is that information still up if wheat gluten and rice protein are not to blame? Where is the information on wheat flour?

  115. Anonymous says:

    Mittens, re: “i guess theyve been spending all their time rigorously keeping canadian made cheap drugs out of the hands of america’s elderly and poor to ‘protect’ them”

    It is actually worse than that. Other countries negotiate prices with pharmaceutical manufacturers in the US. What our government is trying to stop is Americans RE-importing AMERICAN made drugs from Canada. The American drugs are cheaper at Canadian pharmacies because Canada negotiates a lower price in the first place. Disgusting isn’t it? When many seniors are literally choosing between vital medicines and FOOD, our government is busy protecting drug companies’ profits.

  116. menusux says:!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB/.cmd/ad/.ar/sa.retrievecontent/.c/6_2_1UH/.ce/7_2_5JM/.p/5_2_4TQ/_th/J_2_9D/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?PC_7_2_5JM_contentid=2007%2F05%2F0134.xml&PC_7_2_5JM_parentnav=TRANSCRIPTS_SPEECHES&PC_7_2_5JM_navid=TRANSCRIPT

    Washington D.C. - May 8, 2007

    “DR. ACHESON: Thank you. This afternoon I would like to address two issues with you all, which are two new ones, and then obviously old issues if we have to address that in Q and A. But I’m going to focus on two.

    “The first is related to a misrepresentation of the wheat gluten and the concentrated rice protein. I want to preface it by saying as you are all aware we have been following wheat gluten and rice protein concentrate from two sources in China, and have undertaken a number of tests with those related to the detection of melamine and melamine-related compounds. As part of our strategy just to ensure that we are following this in all possible directions, a portion of both the wheat gluten and the rice protein concentrate that was already a concern because of melamine has been further analyzed by our forensic chemistry center. And we have discovered that these products, labeled wheat gluten and rice protein concentrate, are we believe mislabeled, and that they actually contain wheat flour that is contaminated with the melamine and melamine-related compounds. “

  117. Samantha says:

    Would anyone who has fed their cat(s) a long term (3+ years) homemade diet with success be willing to share the recipe they use?

    I am so frustrated trying to figure out what to do. I have switched foods many times since the recall began but each food that initially seemed like a good choice (such as Wellness) is now out of the question. My cats will not touch Felidae which is the only brand I have seen that does not have horrible stories attached to it. I have spent hours researching homemade diets but each information source says something different and I don’t know what to trust! It is so confusing! I am willing to spend the time and money to make homemade food, but am feeling completely lost.

    Thank you to anyone who can help (please don’t just send me a link to another homemade diet website - I’ve read millions of them already).

  118. Jo says:

    STEVE M. — I strongly recommend you call Senator Durbin’s office and advise them of the lab’s acetamenophin findings. Surely he could get some congressional attention on the matter that would force FDA to take appropriate action and report its findings publically.

  119. Kevin says:

    Lisa Clay,

    Good for you. It sounds like you have done the proper research and found some alternatives.

    My best to you and your furr baby.

  120. Leslie k says:

    Thanks everybody for the good wishes & help ! I’m going to call Wellness, Evangers, Canidae & Timberwolf tomorrow. I already spoke to Cal natural. They are testing all new foods & did backtesting. Said although they don’t test for acet. it would show up in the tox screens. The woman I spoke to was going to check the report on Itchmo & send it to their lab.These foods were all dry. I make homemade wet & treats. The 1 I tried right before the chi got sick was Evangers. I had already found out that Timberwolf was made at Chenango & Wellness at CJ & ANI. They don’t do well w/o a little dry added. I don’t feel safe not mixing or switching in case of a problem. Guess I’ll have to test 1 at a time. I am starting to think I need to test everything before they eat it. Including supplements.

  121. Helen says:

    Itchmo, are you going to have the bag of Iams tested for acetaminophen also?

  122. Kevin says:


    My cats have been on homemade diets for over ten years. The supplier I use has 10 generations of Tonkinese cats with her regime that she formulated.

    Hope this helps. Just click on the recipe link.

  123. mittens says:


    yes i sort of knew about our government keeping drugs expensive in america and cheaper elsewhere ie as you state correctly: proventing the reimporting into america of cheaper american made drugs( it is SICK).

    the drug companies always bitch about how much they spend on research blah blah blah but it simply is not true. in the book ive posted about here before-’ bitter pills’ -his stats show american drug companies spend more on advertising then they do on research. i’ll try to find these numbers and post them. it all adds up to lying liars being subsidized by the american taxpayer who they are subsequently poisoning and squeezing every last dime out of while shuffling their cheap production work and sleezy material manufacturing off to countries like china with chaotic regulation inforcement and minimal health standards. oh and the cheap labour sure does make those profits all puffed up.

  124. Maureen says:

    Kevin Says:
    June 5th, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    Re: Homemade diet suggestions from previous posts


    You’ve responded to a couple of cat owners who asked for help with homemade diets with your own personal endorsement of Celestial Pets online recipes. (This is not a criticism but a question…) I’ve read other posts where pet owners have followed their recommended diets and are pleased. However, unless I’m just brain dead tonight, I can’t find information on their website that details what’s in their vitamin/supplements that are called for in the diets.

    Even though my cat is as picky as everyone else’s, the actual diet isn’t my problem but the supplements are, especially as we learn more about those imported from China. So how do you find out what’s in Celestial Pet’s supplement products, where the ingredients are from, and for me, are they sufficient for use with lightly cooked meat to meet cat’s nutritional needs? (Sorry, I live in a small apt. in NY and raw food for 2 dogs and a cat seems like a sanitation nightmare when they spill food all around their bowls.) I see on their site that you can call them, but I want this written out so I can study it. I have a counter full of vitamins and supplements that I’ve studied (I thought) and spent lots of $$$ for, but they now look like ticking time bombs to me. Feedback would be appreciated and I’m sure the others who asked for help would appreciate it too.

    Samantha: I quit Wellness because of Menu Foods, even though their kibble is made elsewhere. I’m still feeding my cat Innova/Evo, as it provides the vitamins, etc., is grain free, the company is testing their food, and he likes it. When I get the supplement problem solved, I’ll try to keep him strictly on homemade.

  125. Deb says:

    Samantha…..I have 2 dogs and 2 not exactly dog dogs. My domestic dogs get feed a combo of raw chicken and kibble. The other two have been on raw for their entire lives. My vet, his speciality is exotics…….always said fed them as if they are wild……he is dead set against supplements. You are right you talk to 10 different people you get 10 different answers….I throw mine chicken quarters and call it a day. Once in a while they get beef, rarely lamb, when they are really lucky deer or elk scraps. My one guy is about 10, NEVER had stomach, skin, comformational, or any type of issues with him and his teeth are in great shape…..this ‘dog’ has never had more than a annual visit to the vet his entire life. I have another friend who feeds her dogs and cats…’her special blend’ the butcher makes for her of ground beef, lamb and chicken. Then I have another friend…..who has an entire massive operation going on in her house for her dogs and cats…, chicken, various fish, buffalo, deer, herbs, vitamins…of the course the herbs and vitamins are based on the animal’s own needs and seasonal conditions. My head spins when she talks about what she is doing……it’s very confusing….she has a base formula then she adds whatever in to it for each animal….I don’t know how she keeps track of everything. All of us feed different all of our animals are healthy, very good condition, and except for annual visits……we don’t show up at the vet with health issues. This is three different styles of feeding raw, all three of us have been successful with our feeding styles. All of us work our dogs, and we show….these are very active healthy animals.

    It is very confusing when you start reading up on homemade or raw feeding. Some of the material is over the edge. I like my vet’s advice…feed like in nature…makes it REALY easy!!!! You have to decide what works for you personally, what time and expense you want to devote. Plus, your animals will tell you what works for them…..I tried some of those recipes……I think I got voted off the island that day. I think what I am trying to say is keep it simple.

  126. hillsRx says:

    Add the Hills i/d Rx to the suspect list. Dog died 32 days after she was put on it.

    Another dog in household was on Hill’s w/d Rx for 34 days. She had to be admitted into the animal hospital for aggressive treatment to save her.

    The third dog was eating the Science Diet small bites for 30 days and became ill with diarrhea and vomiting.

    Is Hills contaminated with something? Three dogs becoming sick and / or dying is a little bit too coincidental for my liking. I can’t afford to have the food tested. The vet bills are totaling over a grand now, and my c.c cards are maxed out with cremation cost and vet care to save the other two.

    I am now using a home prepared mix that I make for them to replace wet foods. I have been giving them Pro Pac dry kibble in small amounts, and so far both dogs are doing OK on that. I hold my breath everyday in fear that the next poisoned food will be the dry kibble I am now using.

  127. Bill says:

    Leslie K,

    I am a supporter of Natura, makers of Innova, California Natural, and others. In my opinion throughout the recall they have tried to do the right thing by having their products tested and providing information about their testing procedures on their website. They have had no recalled products, but yet appear to be doing more testing than some manufacturers with many on the list.

  128. Kevin says:


    Thank you for your response and that is a very important question. I just got of the phone with Imelda and she is going to update the website with that information. If it gets to me in an email sooner I will post it here also.

    That seems to be the big concern for everyone these days. I do know that Celestial Pets scrutinizes everything that goes into their products especially with all the concerns with tainted ingredients from China.

    I do know that Dr. Yarnall is very focused on this crises and is not going to jeopardize her reputation by cutting costs with overseas manufacturers.

    Once again, this is my choice of regime for my pets. I’m not trying to promote anything her just sharing. I believe in the quality of the products that I have been using for ten years and the 10 generations of Tonkinese cats that Dr. Yarnall has raised on her proven regime.

    I have never had any problems and my cats (beasts) are very healty and active. The oldest is 10 years.

  129. hillsRx says:

    Apparently Hills is keeping up with this blog, so I have something to say to them. Running and hiding will not protect your company. I personally will never purchase another Hills product until I know all the products you offer have been tested for everything. Yes I know I am only one person, so losing me as a customer won’t hurt you. However, read the whole blog and perhaps you will understand that I am not the only one. You want positive feedback? Test your pet foods NOW. Don’t wait until you have a stack of reports and complaints of more dead animals. Have a HEART for crying out loud. These pets are family members on 4 legs.

    BTW: Your representative I talked to when I contacted Hills was a joke. She couldn’t even answer simple questions such as where your grains originate from. You need to educate your staff.

  130. High Note says:

    Acetaminophen in pet food does not make any since at all. I would think it would cost quite a bit to do this. Accident? I wonder about this!
    I am sorry for your loss Steve and all that you have had to go through to find out the truth and then to get no one to do anything about it is even worse.
    Since your bag was open there is really no hope in trying to sue. They would only say you doctored it or some wild thing. And of course they know the cost of a lawyer would be more then you would even get out of your case.
    I also do not understand Hills for not doing something about it. IT WILL COME OUT AND MAYBE MORE DEATHS. Why? They would lose a lot more customers. The vets may discontinue having their products on the shelf. More pets would die and of course this would mean less food being sold. So I just do not understand why they would be so hush hush about it.
    All the people that call them are only talking to a receptionist.. I wonder if the news gets to the ones that should hear it? Hills stands to lose quite a bit when this gets out to the public and their sales go down even more! To purposely go ahead and sale tainted pet food would only do their business that much more harm and if it harmed more of our pets then they would have even less business. Just makes no since!
    That would be a pretty bad business practice.
    Again I wonder why this would be in the pet food? This is not something to make the protein level rise as a substitute. There would be no reason to even put it in there.
    And it would not be cheap to do I would not think. It just sounds deliberate to me!
    Then of course I have to wonder if it could be from some of the vitamines that only china makes Maybe they substituted the acetaminophen which may have been less expensive for one of the more expensive vitamins and labeled it wrong like they have done before. Anyone that sent this to a pet food company knew that it would kill them.
    It just does not sound like China is going to stop sending bad ingredients to us. I know it is not all of China but our companies here are going to have to start checking for everything if they want to stay in business at all.
    My cat has ate Science diet all of her life. I usually buy the Hair ball control from my vet. I never changed her food cause she has always had it and nothing else. I have let her sample other foods before but she would not eat them. Now I am scared for her.
    They let out all those chickens and pigs into our food supply and no one has said if this would effect our pets. So.. I worry about homemade food too! I go buy chicken that has melamine in it to give my cat and what happens then? Where does a person go from here? Where do any of us go? Can we trust any of the food suppliers? Can we trust the farmers ? Who would tell us the truth when they are only out to make a profit?
    It is all too much for me any more. I have been upset since it all started and now I worry about my families food as well as my pet food and tooth paste and vitamins and heaven knows what will show up next! It is just too much!

  131. colin says:

    i got bashed by folks (nobody from here) for going the home cooking route for my two dogs when this all began.

    i am so glad i do home cooking. at first it was a huge pain and took lots of time. now i can whip up feed for 7 days in advance. total time 2 hours - includes putting portion in containers. i sleep well. i do not freak out when i get an email alert from itchmo.

    after cooking for 2 months, my dogs are healthier, much more energy and happier. the change was and is astounding to me.

    just wanted to throw that out to you fine folks. if your thinking of going this route, do not be afraid. it is much easier to do than you would think once all the research is done.

    good luck steve, your actions and story is a good service to all here.

  132. Tee 'n' the Wildlife says:

    I’d like to leave a note for Hill’s myself. I have a cat getting over FLUTD. I had told my vet I did not wish to use Royal Canin Rx foods for this because all the meat in their products was by-products. Jesus! So I tried the Iams Rx because at least the first ingredient wasn’t by-products, sigh. Then my vet said she read good things about Hill’s Rx for cats with FLUTD and I reluctantly agreed to try it. By-products again–and an awful smell to the dry and the canned food, sort of like that really cheapo cat food smell but also something else I cannot put my finger on–but disagreeable for sure. Of course everyone liked it and I didn’t want my FeLV positive lymphoma boy to eat it–or anyone else but my FLUTD boy–and I really didn’t want HIM to eat it. I keep remembering the foul smell of the two cans of Hills Rx I opened for my FLUTD boy, reluctantly gave him 1/2 a can each time and put the rest in the fridge, where it still resides. So I decided to make their food myself.

    Yes, I, too, am only one person. But I have five felines to feed and care for. And friends who have animals. There are a lot of us out here and we can’t all be conned by cat food manufacturers who use junk in their cat foods–especially in their cat and dog foods for ill pets! That is so counterproductive I cannot believe it! It’s not the 1950’s or the 1970’s any more. People are beginniing to understand what goes into their pets’ food and they want ONLY quality food for their pets even if it’s a big chunk of their budget. And they’ll spend time making home made food so they know what’s in it. It’s just like making a week’s worth of chili or chicken casserole to portion out and place in the freezer for the humans in the family. It just ain’t that hard to do.

    And on a related note, does anyone know where Wellness gets the stuff they put in their feline vitamins? China? And does anyone know where taurine comes from? China? Augh!

  133. mittens says:

    the pet food industry is no different it seems than the prescription drug industry-they control the FDA and kill with impunity. that these prescription pet foods that are quite expensive were involved in this poisoning and vets are still all ‘la de da business as usua’l about it is disgusting.they should be the frontline in defense of our pet’s health, yes even their very lives, from the mercenary predations of common criminals not handmadieans to chemical plants producing poison labeled ‘ special diet’.

    that a pharmacuetical product has made it’s way into pet food just makes you wonder at the underside to all this- perhaps it’s just the drug companies now that are controlling and intervening in the entire food production system. legal drug making is the ” single most profitable manufacturing industry in the world”.” americans pay over 50 percent more than europeans for identical drugs and 32 percent more than canadians”. how nice of them to lavish us with free pain killers. i suppose next they’ll say we should be grateful for it.

    vets appear no different than other doctors- ill schooled in the effects of drugs in their studies. ” only 14% of american medical schools required courses in the core skills needed to under stand how drugs functioned in the body and properly prescribe them. most schools [teach] only’ a few hours of clinical pharmacology’”. if this is the training for human dortors why should it be any better for vets-using whatever the drug companies throw at them that said companies shoved through the fda that they appear to have by the nuts. they don’t even know how these chemicals that they allow companies to spray all over human foods can do to a mammal larger than a rat.

    the stunning silence of vets- whom ive unfortunately had way to much contact with lately-just adds to the complete feeling of helplessness that is pervasive. we and our pets can be coated in cut rate chemicals and it warrents nary a peep from professionals.i got one ‘ uh-huh’ from one of the around 5 vets i’ve seen since feb. thanks a lot. and that was the only one who responded to any inquiry about food.

    i’m sure that their are good vets who are all over this thing and i don’t want to paint all with the same brush- i just haven’t come across them.

    the quotes in this post are from “bitter pills” by stephen fried.

  134. Kim says:

    HillsRX, Ticocats, Soverysad and Claire - can I have permission to repost your comments on my blog, and/or in a summary list of ‘non recalled foods making pets sick’ that I’ve got going?

    I’m listing reports that have been posted on many sites not just here, broken out by brand and type of food.

    You can just post here, or email me at pft @


  135. Kim says:

    Ticocats - I have an excerpt and a link to one of your previous comments on my blog now, but with permission would like to use more of that post. It was this one…


  136. Chuck says:

    Going back to the top, E. Hamilton June 5 at 4:26.

    I agree with your suggestion, but encompassing all the knowledge we have gained on this website and encompassing all these of blogs, my wife and I have tried telling a lot of people about the pet foods.
    As I said in a few other blogs, in doing so, we were met with know-it-all attitudes, to down right irritation. In fact, one pet food buyer even reported my wife to the manager of a pet food store for telling him about the foods! My wife’s only intention was for the safety of the person’s pet. She spoke to him with great care and told him of our own experience with our group. My wife was so shocked and heartbroken when the irate manager approached her to tell her off about it, especially since the pet food buyer seemed so congenial and willing to listen when she was speaking to him.

    Some other people I told who I have know for years, always claimed that they love their pets, but they didn’t care to know. My wife had even written articles in the newspaper about it that they read to no avail.
    After all of our experiences, I told my wife that people are going to buy what they want to buy because they think they are right, even though they are wrong.

    My wife fears to say anything anymore, and my experiences were worthless. So what do we do now?

  137. Chuck says:

    added: my comments weren’t meant to stop anybody from saying anything. Just asking for suggestions from anybody and asking how anyone else has dealt with similar situations.
    I would really like to know.

  138. kellie says:

    I’ve been thinking and came up with a few possibilities of how it got in there especially in the hills brands.

    Someone posted about an actem.(abbrievation i’ll use the whole post so i dont have to keep typing out the whole word)recall in november. well that’s about the perfect time to have all this contaminated drug diluted and put into anomal feed just as they did with the pet food in AMERICA. Americans did this. Actem. accumulates in the liver and over a short time the liver would be filled and damaged in poultry , a major ingredient is almost all dry foods. What do the farmers care if the chix will be slaughtered soon anyway. So the poultry livers and tissue meat is ground, turned into meal and used in foods. that could explain why it showed up. Hills may have a contract with one of the poultry farms that used the tainted feed.

    A second way is like others said, it’s in the prescription food as a cheaper ingredient than what’s supposed to be in there. this could be done by the chinese or american companies.

    Third reason is they were duped with cheap imposter ingredients just like the glutens.

    My guess is the first one tho because of the recall of the pain pills and the timing, plus what they did with the recalled food.

    seems recalled products get disposed of in animal feed as the go to option.

    -just my thoughts outloud

  139. LorieVA says:

    To HILLS:

    My youngest cat Geisha also was on your C/D food for over a year, for problems I believe now to have been caused by IAMS Dry. I was horrified when I found out I was paying top dollar for a food that contained BHT/BHA, now I am reading the lastest scoop, what the heck is wrong with you people we turn to you with our most precious gifts our pets to keep them safe and fix there med. issues and this is how you repay our trust. Shame on you. I have blamed FF for my 2 cats illness from the start because Topaz does not eat the C/D because it made her vomit the first time she touched it last Spring. Now I wonder if Geisha was the more ill of the 2 cats because of a double dose of poison from you and FF both. However, we will never now because I stopped all large company pet food as of March 23, 2007 and I am never looking back.

  140. Trudy Jackson says:

    Hills killed 3 of My cats. My dog is on hills I/D right now. I might just take him off.

  141. TC says:

    What rocket scientist at Hills thinks these attempts to save their reputation by pretending ignorance to what they think are just a few hysterical bloggers is working? Hills, if you are reading - you think you are going to skate on this because it is not yet making major headlines or showing up on CNN or Fox?

    You are wrong. This is going to spiral out of control for you and frankly, if you are not willing to tackle it head on, you are not going to come out of this intact.

    I am continuing to be amazed by the slow reaction time of major pet food companies, and their seemingly complete unwillingness to grasp the gravity of the situation, with regards to their own future existence. They can pat themselves on the back all they want re keeping the public in the dark about what they and we are finding in their food - but sick and dead pets are continuing, and that kind of thing WILL keep pushing out the real word on this. The woman who cuts my hair, and is clueless re food mentioned that her dog is getting very scruffy coated and so on - the food is a Hills product for overweight dogs. She said she was worried & thinking of returning it and trying something else, so we had a little “state of the pet food industry” chat. She hadn’t heard much re the recalls (new baby, etc)! I think that is typical - busy life, not much on the “instant” tv news re this, yet people are noticing their dogs not doing as well on certain foods at certain times.

    The companies that get hit the most in the end will be ones like Hills, that the vets push. Because those are supposed to be top of the line and bullet proof. Once their reputation sinks further, you won’t be able to hawk it on a street corner.

  142. LorieVA says:

    TC said

    The companies that get hit the most in the end will be ones like Hills, that the vets push. Because those are supposed to be top of the line and bullet proof. Once their reputation sinks further, you won’t be able to hawk it on a street corner.

    That was my point above I thought I was paying top dollar and willing to do so for the best for my cat and her PH issue, my goodness the vet sells it right in her office. has to be the BEST. What a joke that turned out to be. Its a shame something so good could turn out to be so bad. Our poor an animal and all us poor saps spending big bucks to only cause more damage to our all ready ailing pets.

  143. Big Fat Momma Cat says:

    I finally have the Vet paid off. It won’t be much but where do we send money to help with the analysis?

  144. Starr says:

    I wanted to pass this information along as a word of caution…
    This morning, our 6 year old cat threw
    up twice and is acting ill again. He fell very ill back in March/April
    and then recovered when we changed his food.
    We recently purchased 2 new bags of IAMS dry (Smart Puppy - and Original Cat Chicken) which we settled on after getting caught in the recall 2 times.
    All of our pets went through the last IAMS bags without incident.
    (There is a GOOD chance he may have eaten the puppy dry this morning - I’ll have to confirm this with my husband) He has done this many times before without any vomiting or signs of illness.)
    **As a side note, my daughters’ kitty suddenly died over the recent holiday weekend with a swift and serious mystery illness. Within a few gors of becomming lethargic, she had an awful time urinating. My daughter was feeding her “Preferred Pet Dry” when she became sick as an alternative to her regular “Special Kitty Canned” which she stopped back in Feb. when it was recalled.

    This is getting ridiculous.
    Acetaminophen now?????
    Where in the world is this chain of events leading?

  145. TC says:

    Lorie in VA - The reason it came up with the woman who cut my hair is that she had known of my dog almost dying, and all the other symptoms both dogs had, and asked how it was going. Which lead to me saying they were fed Nutro dry kibble.

    At which point, she said, oh, no wonder, then, that is why…I would never feed that to my dog, instead I use high quality food - Science Diet. So I asked how it was going, she mentioned the bad coat issue worried her, and that started our discussion. She too fell for the line that it was top drawer stuff - and she is willing to pay to have her dog eat the best possible food. Despite that, I called her clueless (as I used to be as well) because other than price and vet pushing, she has no idea about the scandal in the pet food industry. Or how untrustworthy they are or what is actually going into ALL pet foods at the present moment. I did get a chuckle, because I had used Science Diet a few years back, and had issues, so I stopped. I had tried quite a few things before the Nutro.

    I too was willing to pay what is necessary to get a top quality food for my dogs, I just couldn’t seem to find any that qualified. As we can see, price is no indicator. Neither is the vet’s recommendations. Homecooking is not an easy or surefire solution (due to the newly discovered issues in our human food chain) but at least the control is in my hands. Dogs are doing well on it, had bloodwork done Monday on one, and looks really good. So I am not doing harm by this.

    I have no trust in things produced by others. That is where I am at for the moment.

  146. Claire says:

    Kim - you are welcome to repost my comments on your blog. Could you give me an address where I can view your blog? Thanks!

  147. Ticocats says:

    High Note Says (June 6th, 2007 at 1:56 am) “Since your bag was open there is really no hope in trying to sue. They would only say you doctored it or some wild thing. And of course they know the cost of a lawyer would be more then you would even get out of your case.”

    I disagree. Most, if not all, of the lawyers bringing suits over pet food are taking the cases on a “contingency” basis which means you pay nothing; their fee, if any, comes out of damages awarded. There is a lot of controversy over the whole idea of class action suits, allegedly brought by “greedy trial lawyers”, but these pet food cases are a good example of why I think they are needed: as High Note says, one person’s individual (legally recognized) damages might be less than the cost of bringing a suit. But if many similar cases are joined together as a class action, it makes economic sense to sue. You might not get a lot of money, but it shouldn’t cost you any money. And it WILL cost the manufacturer at fault.

    Also, the fact that the bag has been opened is not a fatal problem; even if the packaging has been thrown away, it’s quite possible that a case could be brought simply on the owner’s sworn testimony that the animal became ill while eating Product X. It all becomes a credibility issue for the jury to decide, unless the case is settled before it goes to trial.

  148. Ticocats says:

    BTW, my comment above is based on 20+ years of experience as a trial lawyer. No flames, please :-)

  149. Steve M. says:


    Kims blog is here:

    BTW everyone the FDA contacted me this morning and is finally sending someone tomorrow to retrieve some of my food for testing. Note it has now been over two months since my cat died.

  150. High Note says:

    I have told several people about this melamine, etc in our pets food and have sent several e mails to all of them. They all act like it is nothing big. As long as their pet does not show a sign of anything they do not worry about it. I have said something about the melamine in our food supply and they just shrug their shoulders and say we have to eat. Some have said that I was making a big thing out of nothing. Why? Because in my area they do not say a thing about it. The news papers, Television, etc. only had the first Menu recall and that was all. Made me wonder if the government put a ban on any commit in the media about this in my state. I am from Kansas and Kansas was after all in the pork recall. If you don’t have a computer and do not know where to go to find out anything then you are in the dark about all of this.
    It does no good to tell anyone that does not know because they all think you are over reacting about it all and of course we do not run around with proof in our pockets to show them. My husband does not get on a computer and I have told him about all of this and he is like everyone else. If you do not see it in front of your eyes then you just think the person telling you is full of crap or overreacting! I said something to my husband about the melamine in the food supply and his answer was well we have to eat!
    It totally amazes me how people can be so stupid and not realize the damage down the line that something like melamine could do to us or our children and our pets too. And now not just melamine but other harmful drugs. Maybe I am over reacting but I would rather over act then have something bad happen!

  151. purringfur says:

    STEVE: STILL KEEP SOME FOOD FOR YOURSELF in case you need to test for additional contaminants. Don’t give it all away. Thank you for sharing your results. I’m sorry about your cat.

  152. High Note says:

    To Ticocats
    If you thought I would get angry over your commit. No Way! That is what this is all about is stating opinions and getting help. I never thought about the class action suit. I was only thinking of a person doing this on their own. Very glad you posted your commit for Steve to read. After all we all only want to help each other. Everyone should be able to state their thoughts on this sight even if it does not agree with other peoples thoughts. I agree with yours. gee after all you said you were a trial lawyer for twenty years. I certainly would not argue about your opinion. I have only had personal experience in court and could only go by that. Glad you read my post so you could correct my thought.

  153. Susan says:

    The vet I go to is 82 years old. He’s been the vet in this town for over 50 years. He doesn’t buy the excuse that we see more diseases because pets live longer and vets have better diagnostic tests. He told me in the last ten years he’s seen an explosion of problems - cancer, heart disease, thyroid, liver, kidney disease, FLUTD, skin conditions, etc., etc. He said all of these conditions can be diagnosed with hands, eyes, ears. You may not get the EXACT disorder, but you would know something was up: tumors, weight loss, weird heart rate, yellow skin, etc. He believes it’s food-related. Actually, sometimes he says animals did better when they ate table scraps and sheep, fish, chicken innards. (He also told me dry food doesn’t clean teeth. Eat a cracker and look at your teeth.)
    The point of this diatribe is I don’t understand how people can ignore that there is something wrong with the animal food (and probably ours, too). The animals are much sicker than they used to be.
    My daughter was looking at petfood ingredients in the store. She was reading the Fancy Feast label and some man walked by and said, “Someone’s got a spoiled cat.” I think people believe what many vets tell them, that it’s too difficult to make petfood; and they are in denial about how bad the food situation is.

  154. Eric says:

    Trudy Jackson,
    What Hills products were your cats eating (and wet or dry)? Thanks!

  155. 3Catmom says:

    I know you are happy with the Nutro food but there have been reports about problems from the Nutro dry dog. We had fed it to my Dad’s dog for years and then back this winter with a new bag he developed a loose stool and started to refuse to eat it. He also started peeing in the house and waking up in the middle of the night needing to go out. At the time I din’t think much of any of it thinking oh he is being picky and he is getting old and then all this hit. I went down to Petsmart to find something different and brought him home a bag of Blue Buffalo which he has done great on. I know BB has had to recall some products but they have not had any reports of sick pets and I think they handled the situation very well. I also pulled my cats off of Nuro and put them on top quality grain-free canned food and amazing how the feline acne has cleared up, less vomiting/ hairballl problem.

  156. Kathy says:

    For whatever it’s worth—-I have not bought aluminum baking powder for probably 15 years now, since I learned that the aluminum ingredient in it is considered toxic waste, and the only way companies that produce that toxic waste have to get rid of it is to put very small amounts in our baking powder. “We have all this waste material we can’t get rid of, we’ll have to feed it to everyone..”
    It makes a lot of sense to me that the recalled acetaminophen was put in the food chain as a way to get rid of it. What else would they do with it? I’m sure it is considered toxic waste, the cost of putting it in sealed drums would probably be prohibitive, I doubt wastewater treatment plants are set up to handle it—(remember the Prozac in the groundwater thing from London?)—
    How can we find out about this?
    This whole business has got me flipping out–I’m afraid to eat, I’m afraid to feed my pets, I even worry about what the squirrells are eating. My attitude becomes more and more negative by the day, I’m not finding the silver lining any more. People don’t want to listen, they like their heads in the sand. Ignorance truly is bliss, but now that we have lost our ignorance, we have to do something. What? can? we? do????

  157. 3Catmom says:

    Susan - that is a wise old vet, who is right on. We have done it to people too, way too much processed foods etc!

    Ok I have been reading all this and thinking and this just an idea I had. If Science Diet and Iams wont come forward and say there is a problem, I think the online pet communities need to flex our muscles and tell them we wont stand for their lack of accountability. So what is probably the number one places these foods are sold?? Vets offices, Petsmart, and Petco. So maybe there needs to be an organized effort to flood Petsmart and Petco with requests not to deal with these un ethical companies. I have to wonder what will come out thru the AVMA about SD, but what is everyone who visited their Vet complained about them selling that and what if they were flooded with calls letters and e-mails would Vets listen to their customers and stop pushing this garbage?? I wonder what Itchmo & the Pet Connection could think of along that line, of some sort of campaign against them.

  158. Carol says:

    Last night I wrote the FDA on their “contact us” and asked when they would be releasing the information which is being reported here. This morning I wrote our three local tv stations and gave them all a link here and commented that the general public would probably not hear anything about it until late Friday afternoon which seems to be the usual timing for such releases. I remember reading some time ago about how we should all contact our tv stations when there was breaking news which was not being reported… and it was time for me to start doing just that.

  159. purringfur says:

    3Catmom Says:

    June 6th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
    Ok I have been reading all this and thinking and this just an idea I had. If Science Diet and Iams wont come forward and say there is a problem, I think the online pet communities need to flex our muscles and tell them we wont stand for their lack of accountability….

    Get the acetaminophen and brand names out to the news media. Certainly, they can report lab findings! Reference Don’s site ( and Itchmo) so the news researchers can view the scans of the lab results and go to the web pages of the labs that did the testing and speak to the analysts/scientists.

    We have to force the companies to come out and not wait for the FDA to do their tests, get the results back, and SUGGEST A VOLUNTARY BRAND RECALL “WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME FRAME.”

    I already wrote to Hill’s and can’t get through to Iams by email, yet….

    I have local news stations saved in my email contact list. We also have to alert CNN, MSN, FOX and the major TV networks. We should also contact major newspapers. Let’s get this rolling, folks!

    Don’t forget your politicians!

    We need to KNOW THE NAMES OF THE OTHER UNRECALLED FOODS! Our pets are still being poisoned 10 weeks after the first recall!

  160. purringfur says:

    You beat me to it, Carol. Thanks for contacting the media. With media pressure pushing for answers, maybe we’ll get results faster.

  161. Lisa Clay says:

    To Susan - I know some younger vets who have also seen a rise of animal diseases over the last 10+ years, most recently a lot more kidney disease in cats.

    Amongst the pet owners in my family (and friends), all of us agree that pets seemed to be healthier eating table scraps and a few of the pet owners (all are over 50), stated feeding their dogs only people food.

    On a personal note, my cat Hacoona has had major intestinal problems for years. No tests have shown anything wrong with her sample. However, I have noticed, when eats our food (we share with her and she begs for the organic steak grilled at home), she seems a lot better. I am planning to start cooking for her myself, but need to do more research. She, along with my other 2 cats, was eating some of the recalled food.

  162. Lisa Clay says:

    I took up the above suggestion from Carol and just sent an e-mail to the local NY TV station in my area. I included the headline “Local lab finds pet food contaminated with painkiller” which can be found on google (so they can verify it). In the comments section, I mentioned that the company with the contaminated food has not made an announcement yet.

  163. Mo says:

    Well folks, something doesn’t compute here. These cats were
    dx’d with RENAL FAILURE and acetaminophen causes LIVER
    failure. So .. how does that happen? Sorry, but something
    is fishy.

  164. DJackson says:

    Question- Does anyone know if their is a class action suit against Hills?
    Their obviously should be.

    D Jackson

  165. Susan says:

    Mo –if you look on the aspca web site, they say acetaminophen can cause nephrotoxicity in cats due to the breakdown of the red blood cells.

  166. Susan says:

    Here’s the link for that article–page 1, 3rd column, under toxicity.

  167. Carol says:

    Let’s hope we start hearing some news about this. After I wrote earlier, I had to go to the vet’s to pick up cosequin for Mellie and I’d hoped to be able to speak with one of the vets while there, but all were busy… so I told the receptionists about the news and gave one the Itchmo website address so hopefully she will pass that info on. I asked her if the vets get their info from the FDA and she said yes, so I told her they would be ahead of the news if they checked in here frequently.

  168. Ruth says:

    Why would a pet manufacturer have tests done at a Texas lab when they have labs to test their own products??

    And the lab and the pet food company has known for weeks?

    Story doesn’t add up…sigh….just want pet food names…..

  169. Steve M. says:

    This is what I am on the lookout for now:

    While am glad this station is giving the story coverage, along with stations in Houston and Pittsburgh, I wish they would go to a little effort and provide an accurate and balanced story. ” There have been no reports of sick pets because of acetaminophen” - are you F’ing kidding me. Is my dead cat reported to the FDA long ago sick enough for you? Suspect there only source for the story was are trustworthy citizen watchdogs at the FDA.

  170. TC says:

    3Catmom Says:

    June 6th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
    I know you are happy with the Nutro food but there have been reports about problems from the Nutro dry dog.

    Oh my god no, you have misread my posts! I hate Nutro and haven’t fed it since March. I fed Nutro dry kibble for two years, with no problems until the last 6 months or so (previous foods were Iams and Science Diet, both dry).

    Nutro caused my dogs to get sick, then sicker, then culminated in one’s having a series of seizures in one day that almost killed her (and took a week before we were sure there was no brain damage, as she kept running into walls, pacing, crying, not recognizing us, etc). I quit feeding Nutro dry cold turkey on that day, and started home cooking.

    On Nutro in those last months, my dogs had started vomiting frothy stuff DAILY, drank frightening amounts of water (and peed all the time), bad coats, bad breath. This was pre recall, and the vets couldn’t find anything serious in their bloodwork, so chalked it up to me having “hunting dogs”. Stupid. Yes they are, and sleep with me and live inside, and work with me here, and are really never out of my sight, even on long walks.

    The recall came right about the same time as the seizures, and that was it for me. Nutro tried to assure me there was not a thing wrong with their dry food, but I didn’t and still don’t agree. Stopping Nutro saved my dogs’ lives, and no one can convince me otherwise. I don’t know what is in it, I think the bags contain more or less of whatever the bad news contaminant is, but there is something. And they don’t care one whit.

    Both my dogs were spared by accident, because my instincts kicked in, and a recall happened that quickly opened my eyes.

  171. High Note says:

    I just e mailed my vet and this is what they had to say below about the Acetaminophen from Steves report. I do advice everyone to send what Steve said and also his reoport on the Acetaminophen to your vets too! My vet sales this and so they are promoting it and I am sure they will look into it. So tell your vets! Their reply to me below:
    Hi Sherry!
    We appreciate very much you sharing this with us. I will share your e-mail with our doctors and contact our Hills Science Diet area rep. and see what I can find out. We will definitely look into this!! I will let you know what I learn.
    Rhonda Herbers
    Veterinary Practice Manager
    Andover Veterinary Clinic

  172. PonceMom says:

    Here is how it goes: The liver tries to metabolize the acetaminophen and can’t do it correctly or it turns it into something even more poisonous. The kidneys try to eliminate the poison and basically get plugged and fail.

    I am sure this problem has been going on for much longer than a few months. My seeminly healthy 12 year cat, Whiskers, was changed to a Hill’s Science Diet prescribed formula by his vet, because guess what? He was showing signs of liver problems on the regular formula. We moved to Texas and changed vets and food and he seemed to be doing just fine. We went back to the Science Diet and we had to put him down in a few months, partly because of renal failure and other internal organ complications. This was March 2006. We got a kitty last year and he has been fed Nutro Max Indoor cat formula and he is very happy. By the way Intertek-Caleb Brett Lab in Houston is also testing pet food.

  173. Carol says:

    On one of the local evening news stations (local abc affiliate) the news opener for the 6pm segment was about the FDA is now checking into reports that acetaminophen has been found in pet foods! The news is getting out - don’t know if my email had anything to do with it, but I doubt it hurt. And they did say that it was not found in any of the previously reported brands of foods, but did not give anything further. So, guess I’ll write them again.

  174. Katie says:


    Not all pet food companies have in house labs. When I called Iams they told me they do not test in house. They rely upon the distributor to test ingredients. I’m hoping that customer service and the vet services didn’t understand the question and gave out wrong info.

    Several years ago, I needed to have some Innova tested. They could tell me % of Protein, Carbs, Fat and moisture. All other testing at that time was done by an outside lab, for ex: alfatoxin. I believe they now test for all contaminants in house.


  175. Ruth says:

    Katie, I just spoke with IAM’s and they told me that the food is tested before its shipped out. said the distributor doesn’t check it. They do it at each plant.

    So who can you believe.

    They still keep saying its safe. Got kind of testy when I told him my pet is dead. Pretty much I shouldn’t believe what I read. Guess I’m just to blindly believe what they say. He said I have lost confidence in their product. Do you think??? I said, I’m the one with a dead pet and fed her your food.

    Thats just the highlights there was more to this conversation……

  176. High Note says:


  177. High Note says:


  178. Hill'sFan says:

    Are you guys freaking crazy or something. You all are going off of one person’s report that says “The sample was received in an open ziplock bag. The lab does not warrant that this is actual product listed.” It says right there that the lab won’t even say what product it is. I’m am a big Science Diet promoter and I’m feeding my dog the brand, and my dog is donig just fine. NO PROBLEMS. It’s pretty sad when people will start believing anything they see on the internet. How about you all grow up, and grow a brain while you’re at it. Hill’s will be around forever.

  179. Patricia Maroney says:

    5CatMom and I were thinking the same thing–what happens to recalled pharmaceuticals– well, in 2 hours on the internet I was able to track some basis for the theory outlined below:
    Pill bottles are recycled.
    The manufacturer with the recalled inventory would contract with an outside disposal company to handle the “destruction” of the recalled inventory (in this case pills and bottles).
    The outside disposal company could send the waste outside the US to …just for example…China.
    An then, again theoretically, the plastic pill bottles - presumably in this case this with acetamenaphen residue - which have ended up in China under no government regulation could end up as a ground up “filler” that is being used in what we here in US and Canada consider an inappropriate manner, i.e. in the contamination of pet food.

    I am not sure of the FDA/US Government regulations on destruction of pharmaceutical waste, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that this is possible, but at any rate there is no control over “empty” pill bottle recycling, but any one pill bottle could contain some residue of the item stored in it. Multiply that by millions of bottles and it would likely be a significant amount.

    Some links for support of my theory include:
    Link for list of site asking question about recycling pill bottles.

    link for story on what happens to recyling shipped to China:

    Please note, these links represent stories related to pill bottle recycling and are not intended to draw any connection between the people named and any kind of involvement with the current pet food contamination alleged to involve acetamenaphen.

  180. Kevin says:

    I have to respond to “Hill’sFan” comment. Obviously he did not read all the postings and the problems people have had with his product including the death of some of the animals.

    If you were to take this guy to court, this is what his defense would sound like.

    Everyone can’t be wrong!

  181. Ruth says:

    To Hill’s Fan: “The highest level of acetaminophen was found in a dog food sample submitted by a manufacturer, she said. Coneley declined to identify the company but said its officials were given the results “well over a month ago.”

    This was a pet food company, Hill’s Fan you need to read the newspaper article in the above post. No one knows who this company is but everyone is intitled to speculate since some dry foods have made our pets sick or died. We just want to know.

    I had been feeding my pet IAMs for years. No problems that I know. But all it took was ONE bag to make my pet sick and she died.

    You call us freaking crazy. Well thats your opnion.

    I hope that your pet continues to be safe and healthy….but remember this all it takes is ONE bag to make your pet sick and even die like my pet dog.

    Read the article. Use YOUR brain before you insult people about growing one.

  182. Katie says:


    I’m so sorry for the loss of your pet.

    I don’t trust Iams. Seems they keep changing their story. My dog was definitely sick on either their Euk food or Euk bones. She had all the symptoms, excessive thirst, heavy breathing,fever,etc. Disappeared with home cooking. I have been badgering them. My dog had elevated kidney results and her urinalysis has remained abnormal. I will blame them until the day I die.

    I kept a journal of symptoms vs food. The symptoms went along with a new bags being opened. I used the small dry food bags which lasted 9 days. We had symptoms 9 days in a row. Than would open a new bag, no symptoms for 9 days. Open another bag, symptoms would start up. Stupidly since this happened prior to the recalls, I didn’t keep bags or lot #’s. I do have some dry food at the bottom of my food container. I don’t think it was the Euk. bones - but not sure. I have one opened and one unopened container of those.

    When I spoke with vet services they adamantly told me they do not use wheat gluten or rice protein conct. so couldn’t be their problem. I asked: how about fish meal or fish oil. No response. When the news came out about Cereal By-Products, I asked do you use them as a distributor? I have yet to hear a No or a Yes…. I have loss all faith in them. I think in the end, if their product is proven to be contaminated. They will say must have been the distributor - we didn’t know….

    The same thing goes for our human food and multi corporations. I have a friend who works in the food industry. They have no idea what gets added along the supply chain. They count on the middle guys.

    Again, I am so sorry to hear of your loss. My dog still has blood in her urine, doesn’t sleep well at night and has never been the same since Feb. 2007.


  183. Ruth says:

    Thanks, Katie, its been a living nightmare. No end in sight. I had just called the day before and got several different answers. So I called them again today after reading your post. And yet more different answers.

    Seems to them that I just had a genetic defect pet. And again its wasn’t their food. I said how can it be that so many pets are sick or died from the same symptoms. No answer. It all just makes me so angry.

    It’s almost laughable for them to say I have lost confidence in their food.
    Its ALL food even human food. I shouldn’t have to wonder if its safe to eat. No one should have to live this way.

    And by the way, I wrote to Tyson foods, they answered back with an added note that I am prohibited in saying what they responded. I am not allowed to post my email or their answer. I would think they would want good publicity not their bully tactics.

    I am sooo sorry to read about your pet. I truly hope that she recovers.
    I just don’t know how these people who know what they have done sleep at night.

  184. TC says:

    I am just too callous for words on this issue - someone out there has to eat the bad stock of pet food, including Hills, since it isn’t being taken off the shelves. So Hill’s Fan is free to use up all those potentially contaminated supplies. It is a wonder to watch people who in the midst of a contamination crisis, which appears to be ongoing with new recalls frequently, can just dismiss the warning signs. The ones I know saying things like this just don’t want to give up convenience, and really don’t want to think about the bigger picture re food system contamination. It is hard to comprehend how dangerous it is out there right now, depressing too.

    Not rushing to judgment is critical; however, some of these automatic defenses are ludicrous on the face. I say no problem - there will be plenty of Hill’s food out there for Hill’s fan to use up and let us know how it turns out.

  185. Kelli says:

    Our dear Laddie had to be put to sleep on December 5, 2006. He had been eating HILLS Science Diet Dry and Iams DRY in the green bag. I have been home cooking and feeding my 3 other dogs since then. I supplement the home made meals with Canidae. I got myself a copy of Pitcairn’s book as well as the small animal clinical nutrition reference on HALF.COM. I bought them with the EUTHANASIA MONEY I saved when I quit feeding my dogs POISON IN A BAG. I WILL NEVER EVER BUY ANOTHER HILLS PRODUCT, I DO NOT BUY IAMS AND I DO NOT BUY P&G PRODUCTS. I will continue to boycott products and companies that dont come clean on the origin/saftey of their products. If they will not give me a simple truthful answer when I take the time to call, they are on my DO NOT BUY list. The ONLY way to effect change is RIGHT IN THEIR GREEDY WALLETS! I dont give a hoot how HILLS or or any other manufacturer intends to try to spin a tale for this one. Tylenol is not listed on the ingredent list. It does not belong in pet food. I work for a large chain store so when people ask I send them to our local supplier of CANIDAE. “When one lives in a glass house one should not throw stones”.

  186. hillsRx says:

    Kim you can definitely repost my comments (and fear) concerning the Hill’s foods. If it had only been one dog affected I might not have thought anything could be amiss with the food. The first dog died after 32 days of eating Hill’s Rx i/d. When the second dog went down suddenly on the w/d (34 days) I found myself with chills. The vet determined it was something that she ate, but he insisted it wasn’t the Hill’s that caused it. He said I must have fed her table scraps. I should know what I was allowing the dogs to eat, and table scraps were not in their menu. The dogs were only allowed to eat the Hill’s. The third dog was acquired on 4/24 from a local humane shelter. She was placed on the Hill’s Science Diet on 4/20 (the day the animal control picked her up). A bag of the Hill’s Science Diet for adult dogs was given to her when I adopted her. Exactly 30 later (5/20) she was sick with the same symptoms, but fortunately she wasn’t as sick as the other dog(s). I immediately began home treatment, and kept all food away from her for 24 hours. I have been taking an online veterinary course and had just learned a day or so earlier what to do in such a case. The symptoms were vomiting food and yellow foam, diarrhea and lethargy. The first baby girl went down extremely fast. Vomiting and diarrhea on 3/15 late in the evening - she died on the day of the recall 3/16 @ 4:30 PM.

    I have no proof the Hill’s food caused it, but I do know it was all they were eating. Plus the vet did determine the illness in the second dog came from something she ate. He was the one that talked me into putting the first and second dog on the Hill’s Rx, so naturally he isn’t going to acknowledge the problem could possibly be the Hill’s food. I think it’s CYOA. I am searching for another vet now also. I won’t ever buy any more Hill’s products after I learned something in my online class. A few years back Hill’s produced a pet food that contained old shoe leather and old motor oil. When the instructor divulged this information you can imagine what my reaction was. Motor oil is a petroleum (industrial) product - highly toxic to animals. Then I discover the w/d is just full of peanut hulls. It was so nice to discover I was being charged $40 for a case of 24 cans of rice and peanut trash.

  187. hillsRx says:

    To Hill’sFan —— I hope your pet comes out well, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on it if I were you. I don’t need a internet report from one person to KNOW what happened to THREE of MY dogs. I KNOW what they were eating. As for brains - I have enough sense to know when to stop feeding my dogs possibly tainted food after one dog dies and the other two were sickened. It’s really funny how well they are doing now since I no longer feed them the CRAP that you promote. As for how grown we all are…you are in here reading aren’t you? Do the pet parents a favor and go flame on another blog.

  188. Ann Martin says:

    As the author of “Food Pets Die For:” and “Protect Your Pet:” I have investigated/researched the pet food industry since 1990. I am so very sorry for what has happened to your pets and it was the illness of my two dogs, after eating a well known pet food, that began 17 years of learning.

    Back then it was high levels of zinc in the food that caused the problems my dogs experienced. Since that time I have cooked for all my pets and they have all done extremely well. I’ve often said that the ingredients used in commercial pet foods should be sent to landfill not fed to our pets.

    This massive recall has opened people’s eyes to what is going on within this industry and the lack of regulations. I doubt very much if we will ever see regulations as to the ingredients used in these foods. The industry does not want to be regulated, they feel self-regulation is adequate, and government seems unwilling to step in. We know that when the FDA/CVM tested dry commercial dog food they found levels of pentobarbital, a euthanizing drug, in over half the foods they tested. THIS DRUG IS NOT ALLOWED IN PET FOOD but they claimed it was in low levels and should not cause a problem. No studies have been undertaken on the long-term problems pets could encounter by ingesting this drug. The reason the FDA/CVM investigated was because they had received letters from vets stating that they required more of this drug to euthanize dog. They were building up a resistance. When I asked Dr. Sundlof what steps the FDA/CVM were undertaking to have this drug removed from pet foods his reply was “This drug is not approved for use in pet food; so it should not be present in these foods. That being said, CVM is not planning to undertake any special enforcement efforts to detect pentobarbital in pet food.” Add pentobarbital to the mix of the other dubious ingredients you have in these foods and it is a wonder our pets are living as long as they do.

  189. Chris A. says:

    Firstly I would like to offer my condolences to everyone who has lost a pet.

    I am wondering whether this contamination may have going on for a couple of years. We have two cats, both have eaten Hills prescription diet W/D and now T/D for the last two years.

    Our first cat fell ill with CRF and almost died two years ago. It was only after $ 5000 and and weekly hydration treatments that he is alive today. Our other cat just recently began to show symptoms of CRF. Because of having one CRF cat, we recognized the symptoms earlier and were able to have him treated; now he is on twice weekly hydration treatments.

    My question is; has anyone else had these experiences with Hills prescription diet W/D and/or T/D.

    I intent to have the food tested, which labs would people recommend?

    Thanks for any responses.

  190. hillRx says:

    # Chris A. Says:
    June 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Firstly I would like to offer my condolences to everyone who has lost a pet.

    I am wondering whether this contamination may have going on for a couple of years. We have two cats, both have eaten Hills prescription diet W/D and now T/D for the last two years.

    Our first cat fell ill with CRF and almost died two years ago. It was only after $ 5000 and and weekly hydration treatments that he is alive today. Our other cat just recently began to show symptoms of CRF. Because of having one CRF cat, we recognized the symptoms earlier and were able to have him treated; now he is on twice weekly hydration treatments.

    My question is; has anyone else had these experiences with Hills prescription diet W/D and/or T/D.

    I intent to have the food tested, which labs would people recommend?

    Thanks for any responses.



    I have a very bad feeling about what is going to be found in the Hill’s foods. One of my dogs was on the canned w/d for canines. She had to be put into the animal hospital with aggressive treatment for a week. She started drinking large amounts of water to begin with for several days, then began wetting the carpet inside the house (not like her at all). Within a short few days she started having diarrhea, vomiting, and was lethargic. The latter symptoms began happening on a Saturday and grew progressively worse by Sunday night. By the time the vet opened on Monday AM she had stopped drinking water and did not want food. She was becoming dehydrated quickly. I had to rush her to the clinic to have IV fluids started immediately. The vet ran test and said food caused her illness, but denied it was the Hill’s. He claimed I gave her table scraps. He was very wrong and I told him so. As you know the w/d is for weight loss also, so I was very careful about her food. I wasn’t even allowing her to have treats. The only food source she had was the Hill’s. Three out of three dogs became sick (and one dog died) and all three were eating Hill’s.

    I have the same suspicion that you do about this going back a couple of years instead of a couple of months. I’m so sorry about your kitty.

  191. SpinyNorman says:

    **And by the way, I wrote to Tyson foods, they answered back with an added note that I am prohibited in saying what they responded. I am not allowed to post my email or their answer. I would think they would want good publicity not their bully tactics.**

    Ruth, unless you signed a nondisclosure agreement with Tyson — or you’ve gone to court and won a judgment that included terms that you would keep silent — you have every right to post their letter. You have no legal obligation to keep their reply private. If you think the information would be helpful to others, please by all means share it. If they’ve tried to bully you into silence, that’s all the more reason for you to post it, as they have no legal authority over you.

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