EXCLUSIVE: Lab Reports Cyanuric Acid In Unrecalled Dry Food

UPDATE: The company that tested the food requested that we remove the image of the report from this post after being contacted by Proctor & Gamble, the parent company of Iams.

UPDATE 2: We received a call from an Iams spokesman. We have updated the story with their response.

UPDATE 3: We believe the bags in question are located in the Denver area.

ORIGINAL POST: Itchmo has learned that a toxicology test reported the presence of cyanuric acid in an opened bag of what is alleged to be Iams Large Breed dry dog food.

According to the report obtained by Itchmo, the results have been certified by a forensic toxicologist. We have obtained a copy of the toxicology report. Iams Large Breed does not list rice protein concentrate or wheat gluten as ingredients.

In response, Iams says they are “fully confident” that no cyanuric acid or melamine entered their products. They also defended their “exceptional response” to handling customer complaints. When asked if they were testing for melamine and cyanuric acid after the manufacture of their products, Iams said that they were “constantly improving their quality control processes.”

We cannot stress this point enough: This test was performed on a sample from an opened bag. We do not know if this is an isolated case of contamination before or after the sale, or if it is widespread.

This information requires verification and we are asking for your help.

Itchmo is asking you to find an unopened 20 lb. bag of Iams Large Breed dry dog food that matches the lot number: 260608 70574173 F4 US30940 with the expiration date of 6/26/08.

If you find an unopened bag, please email us at tips@itchmo.com and we will provide further instructions. If it’s the right bag, we will pay for the cost of the bag of food, shipping and testing. There will be no cost to you.

If an unopened bag is found and tested, we will release the results as soon as they become available regardless of the outcome.

451 Responses to “EXCLUSIVE: Lab Reports Cyanuric Acid In Unrecalled Dry Food”

  1. Maureen says:

    I saw this on your site yesterday. Then it disappeared. Now back. I was afraid that Iams flexed their muscles at you.

    This is such an important service that you’re providing to pets and owners. I’ve been reading anecdotal stories about Iams dry foods for cats and dogs for a long time, that it’s about time this came out in the open.

    Iams must recall. The FDA must be gutted and a new agency created that has regulatory teeth.

  2. Susan says:

    I am on my way to Agway. They carry Iams and I want to see if they have that particular size and lot #. I’ll let you know.

  3. ItchmoRocks says:

    You provide an invaluable outlet for pet owners who want to know the truth. God bless you and protect you Mr. Itchmo. A lot of us care about you and we know you care about our pets too. Here’s hoping that you find the food and get it tested and get some answers.

  4. E. Hamilton says:

    All hail itchmo!!
    We are not worthy!

  5. straybaby says:

    ok, so i was searching around to see how CA could be purchased (solo or as part of a mix) and i found this lil’ tidbit interesting:

    http://www.aqua-shine.com/Inde.....%20ACID%20(STABILIZER)

    Testing for cyanuric acid is most commonly done with a turbidometric test, which uses a test reagent to precipitate the cyanuric acid and then uses the relative cloudiness (turbidity) of the reacted sample to gauge the CYA concentration.

    A reagent called melamine is used. The melamine combines with the cyanuric acid in the water to form a fine, insoluble, white precipitate that causes the water to cloud in proportion to the amount of cyanuric acid in it. When the water clouds, it becomes more difficult to see an object in it.

    so maybe we should be asking the pool companies for help ?!~

  6. Steve says:

    It has nothing to do with race, color, country or whatever. We are battling corruption and greed here. And it’s all concentrated at the highest levels of Government and Big Business.

    Sad to see it come to this. Where America is sold out daily to any hack with a big bank account.

  7. straybaby says:

    whoops!

    here’s an unbroken link:

    http://tinyurl.com/38fnvz

  8. LorieVA says:

    I am going to PETCO after work to get kitty liter will check the bags of IAMS while there, what color is the bag, I have 2 cats so not familiar with dog food, but glad to help.

    They had issues last year with IAMS dry hairball vomiting and runny blood stool vet could not figure out what ws wrong. HMMM

  9. Steve says:

    Heads Up

    MAY 24, 2007 - 11:41 ET

    Menu Foods Income Fund to Announce 2007 First Quarter Results May 30, 2007

    TORONTO, ONTARIO–(CCNMatthews - May 24, 2007) -

    NOT FOR RELEASE OVER US NEWSWIRE SERVICES

    Attention Business/Financial Editors

    Menu Foods Income Fund (TSX:MEW.UN) announced today that it will release its financial results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2007 on Wednesday, May 30, 2007.

    A conference call to review these results will take place the following day on Thursday, May 31, 2007 at 8:30 a.m. EST (Toronto time). The conference call will be chaired by Paul Henderson, Menu’s President and Chief Executive Officer. Paul will be joined on the call by Mark Wiens, Menu’s Executive Vice-President and Chief Financial Officer.

    To access the conference call in real time, please call 416-850-9150 or 1-866-809-4939. A replay will be available from approximately one hour after the end of the conference call until March 1, 2007 by dialing 416-915-1035 or 1-866-245-6755, using passcode 876984 followed by the number sign. A live audio webcast of the conference call is also available, it can be accessed by entering www.ccnmatthews.com/news/webcasts/index.jsp on an Internet browser. A replay of the webcast will be available for one year, it can be accessed by entering www.ccnmatthews.com/news/webcasts/index.jsp on an Internet browser.

  10. tf says:

    I pray that Accutrace releases lists of foods that test positive for toxins to the press… I know that one test does not mean that a particular brand is completely unsafe. But if Accutrace would make their results public, then maybe these companies would wake up, and also lives would be saved!

  11. Amy says:

    Hey - I wasn’t kidding when I said Itchmo for President!

    You have done so much to help us all; I only wish our government would do such a good job of trying to protect our citizens!

  12. tf says:

    ps. The report jpg does not say “cyanuric acid found” it just says that the material tests positive for some chemical. Were there additional pages to the report not posted?

    (many many thanks mr. itchmo, for all that you do… I lost my cat, Jasper in March, and now I check your site several times a day. )

  13. LorieVA says:

    it says cyauric acid detected right on the page

  14. mikescats says:

    Ben,

    Noticed the #’s in your article are different than the #’s on the lab report. I plan on checking for a bag at local stores this afternoon. I’ve copied both #’s just in case.

    ITCHMO ADMIN: Yes, we confirmed the number with the person who ordered the test and our published number is accurate.

  15. Amy says:

    tf - see ‘details cyanuric acid: detected’ below the box on the page; the test is called an ‘unknown chemicals/toxins’ test.

  16. EKO says:

    Wow, just wow. Thank you Itchmo!
    I almost bought the IAMS Large Breed the other day at Costco, since I didn’t want to get my usual bag of Nutra Nuggets. Glad I didn’t get it. I feel like I’m playing Russian Roulette when I go dog food shopping.

  17. lovmydog says:

    I am just waiting for the 10 million dollar Purina plant that started operations in Feb this year, and that was strategically located in close
    proximity to a port…..to start shipping their canned ‘goods’ to other
    countries. Go ahead and google it, there is a statement from the plant
    operations manager, and he says that it was located near a port ‘in case’ they decide to start exporting the product. Oh but don’t worry, they will
    be using local ingredients……..I don’t know how I will react if I ever see
    a can of pet food that is made/canned in China. I wonder when they pan
    to start exporting, it sure seems like part of their plan. Been to the Purina website, and there is NOTHING about their new fancy plant in China. Why not Purina?

  18. Kirsten says:

    The reason I think this is dramatic is because the sample appears to have tested *negative* for melamine, but *positive* for cyanuric acid. This is the first time I, for one, have seen this type of test result.

    Therefore, if companies continue to test for melamine alone, it doesn’t confirm that the food is actually “clean”, does it?

    I hope you get this confirmed and keep up the great work!

  19. 5CatMom says:

    Note to FDA:

    I’m confused.

    Didn’t you guys tell us repeatedly that the exising food supply is safe?

    Did you see that lab report? It says “cyanuric acid”. That doesn’t sound safe to me.

    Why don’t you just tell us that you don’t have a clue about what’s going on with the pet food supply?

  20. sandi says:

    Unjbelieveable, how could this company do this?

    They blew the whistle on the contaminated pet foods

    Sandi

  21. Serijna says:

    If you did not before, this would be the time to make a donation to Itchmo(like I just did). The testing by Itchmo must cost them. This is a service to their readers that goes way beyong the wonderful updated unbiased news. It will send the pet food makers into shudders of fear… now they could be caught. Now more hiding behind the PFI or FDA.
    Many pet parents cannot afford individual testing. Making a donation, even if small, to Itchmo, and have a concerted effort by testing suspect petfood not recalled- yet. Will flush out the creeps among pet food manufacturers. What a wonderful valuable service by Itchmo.

  22. straybaby says:

    Sandi,

    only if they can conffirm it wasn’t tainted by someone with an agenda (peta comes to my mind) other than the Chinese . . .

  23. kim says:

    Kirsten - EXACTLY! Some of the pet food companies are posting results that tested negative for melamine. That’s now meaningless.

  24. 4lgdfriend says:

    Kirsten said: Therefore, if companies continue to test for melamine alone, it doesn’t confirm that the food is actually “clean”, does it?

    Straybaby said: Testing for cyanuric acid is most commonly done with a turbidometric test, which uses a test reagent to precipitate the cyanuric acid …
    A reagent called melamine is used. The melamine combines with the cyanuric acid in the water to form a fine, insoluble, white precipitate that causes the water to cloud in proportion to the amount of cyanuric acid in it

    ??? why doesn’t melamine show in the test then? and if it was in there to begin w, how could they tell if it was the adulterant melamine or the
    reagent melamine?
    not a chemist here….

  25. Sandi K says:

    This just disgusts me. This is what happened to our kitty. I complained about food in Dec/Jan only to be blown off and then a private vet decides to test on their own and they find contamination. And look what happens again? And the only thing FDA has done is sent a letter to pet food companies saying they are allowed to police themselves and are”expected” to ensure their food is safe. Well FDA when are you going to get a clue that they obviously arent going to do anything? And in the meantime more pets have to get sick and die? Does anyone know if FDA can be sued or are they protected also?

  26. 4lgdfriend says:

    Kim said: Kirsten - EXACTLY! Some of the pet food companies are posting results that tested negative for melamine. That’s now meaningless.

    So this is really going to blow the lid off. FINALLY! About d*** time

    uh, and, also,
    FDA RELEASE THE IDENITIFED 5TH TOXIN TO THE PUBLIC NOW

  27. Sandi K says:

    Note to above, it wasnt our vet that tested it, it was the lady in California…just to clarify.

  28. 4lgdfriend says:

    Sandi K said: FDA has done is sent a letter to pet food companies saying they are allowed to police themselves and are”expected” to ensure their food is safe. Well FDA when are you going to get a clue that they obviously arent going to do anything?

    duh, never. The mfrs PAY the FDA to speed their approvals.
    The FDA works FOR THE MFRS. not for us.

    When are people going to understand?

  29. sandi says:

    For some reason I cannot explain, I do not want to see BARF, Billinghurst diets or promos.

    Enough, is enough,

    It really peeved me.

    Sandi

  30. Anonymous says:

    hello Sen. Durbin, got a min.?

  31. 4lgdfriend says:

    ok so we have a whole different realm of symptoms to consider here.

    let’s get rolling…….
    I knew the melamine was a red herring. I KNEW it.

  32. thomas says:

    Thanks itchmo for the great work!! I am wondering if the american agri businesses in China are involved in the tainted pet foods. I read Dr. Fox’s theory on the possibilities of GMO seeds being involved. When you become aware that Dupont has teamed up with Dekalb in China , Pioneer seeds is operating in china. Conagra is operating in china it makes you wonder if just the chinese are involved in this or are others?

    I also have wondered if the USDA and FDA are being told to ease up on the infestigation as they could hurt some companies bottom line?

  33. E. Hamilton says:

    Iams “blew the whistle” because they were getting slammed with complaints and they NEVER put an ad on TV to make people aware of the symptoms, Iams did what they did to COVER THEIR BUTT, not yours, not your pets, not to be doing the right thing.

    I have been saying from day one that NONE of the big pet companies can be trusted to give clear test results, give honest answers on the phone or make food that I will ever feed a pet!

  34. Jody says:

    Okay guys….I need some help…..I had blood work done on my 13 year old dog her BUN and CREA levels are in the high area. Not way, way high but still on the high side. She was fine 6 months ago. The vet wants me to put her on a kidney veterinary diet…

    Has anyone seen the ingredients in this type of dog food. It is all junk….I had to pick one so I picked Purina NF Kidney formula. It breaks my heart to feed her this….but I do not know what esle to do.

    What are people feeding their dogs that has kidney failure?
    If anyone has went through this and can give me some ideas I would really be grateful. Thank you

  35. Pet Connection Blog » It's the melamine stupid -- and the tetrodotoxin, and the diethylene glycol) says:

    […] Itchmo has a toxicology report showing cyanuric acid was found in a pet food not on the recall list, and is looking for help in finding additional bags of food from the same lot. Head over there and see if you can assist him with his ongoing investigation, and watch his site for new developments. […]

  36. mikee says:

    Natura Pet Products Adds Cyanuric Acid Testing to its Quality Control Program
    Tuesday May 22, 1:46 pm ET
    http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070522......html?.v=1

    SAN JOSE, Calif.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–To further ensure the safety of all of its pet foods, Natura Pet Products has announced that, effective immediately, a new protocol will be added to its standard 120-point quality control program that will test for cyanuric acid.

    Although Natura has not been implicated in any of the recent recalls, the company is committed to producing the healthiest pet food in the world and has pledged to test all of their products to ensure 100% safety. Natura is currently testing for melamine contamination, but recent reports have found that melamine combined with cyanuric acid — rather than melamine alone — likely caused the kidney damage in pets that ate tainted food.

    Cyanuric acid (1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triol, C3H3N3O3) is an organic compound commonly used as a water treatment stabilizer for swimming pools and hot tubs and is a metabolite of melamine. This compound was found in some of the tainted ingredients and in the tissue and urine of some of the animals that ate the contaminated food.

    Since the March Menu Foods recalls, Natura has made several bold decisions related to the nutritional health and safety of its products. In addition to becoming the first pet food company to guarantee its products are 100% safe from melamine, Natura is in the process of acquiring a canning plant so that it can exercise complete control over the production of all of its products. Natura does not use any protein supplements from non-U.S. sources.

  37. Stephanie says:

    Has anyone heard any complaints about Science Diet? Someone informed me that their dog is sick. The dog is vomiting, isn’t eating and had blood in her urine. I haven’t heard of blood in the urine as being a problem, but if it were my dog, I would panic. The vet diagnosed her with a UTI and gave antibiotics, but she doesn’t seem to be getting better. Just wondering if anyone had seen any complaints about SD during the last couple of months.

  38. ItchmoRocks says:

    Stephanie..does your friend still have any of the food left? Maybe a good idea to get it tested by a lab.

  39. Katie says:

    Well, this is going to be interesting…since I have had a problem with Eukanuba Senior Maint. dry dog food. My information on food,symptoms,purchase, etc… was just sent to my FDA investigator this AM. Maybe I’m not nuts and hysterical after all!

    Thanks Itchmo, I hope someone has a bag that can be tested.
    Maybe finally, finally us dry dog food people will have some answers.

    Katie

  40. Kim says:

    Stephanie - yes, I’ve seen a few reports about Science Diet. Here’s a few on the DRY DOG Science Diet:

    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....omment-656

    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....omment-606

    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....omment-699

  41. denni says:

    itchmo…send that report to Sen. Durbin’s office.

  42. mikescats says:

    Jody, there is a Yahoo group called K9KidneyDiet. By far one of the best groups I have seen. They can help you with interpreting the labs and coming up with a diet that would be suitable for your dog. Commercial diets are usually much to high in phosphorous for a kidney dog.
    Hope this helps….

    http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/g.....d=48323739

  43. Helen says:

    Stephanie, I have read umpty complaints about SD products on this blog alone. They are spread out over months, but their have been many many complaints by posters here about a variety of SD both wet and dry.

  44. Katie says:

    Jody,

    I don’t know if you saw my post above.

    What my dog showed: restlessness, gut pain, hot dry nose, excessive water drinking - 128 to 256 oz/day and she weighs 47lbs. When I started home cooking for her, her water drinking returned to normal: 40 oz/day. She is now taking Pepcid AC for gastric distress.

    Her Chems: BUN and Creat. high side of normal. But double what those chems had run for two years.

    Her Urine: WBC’s and RBC’s have been on the rise, last cysto had 4-10 RBC’s/hpf and granular casts. Protein too.

    Diet: I’m feeding a home cooked kidney diet. I have the time and therefore chose not to go the commercial kidney diet route. A good place to find info: Yahoo groups: K9KidneyDiet also dogaware.com which is Mary Strauss’s web site and she owns the Kidney Diet group. Good info. there.

    Hope this helps,
    Katie

  45. LorieVA says:

    Can’t find all symptoms of ingestion of Cyuaric acid but here is one :

    INGESTION: DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. If the victim is conscious and not convulsing, give 1 or 2 glasses of water to dilute the chemical and IMMEDIATELY call a hospital or poison control center. Be prepared to transport the victim to a hospital if advised by a physician. If the victim is convulsing or unconscious, do not give anything by mouth, ensure that the victim’s airway is open and lay the victim on his/her side with the head lower than the body. DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. IMMEDIATELY transport the victim to a hospital. (NTP, 1992)

    I have read some peoples pets have had siezures which would be the same as convulsions

  46. straybaby says:

    has anyone has their pets tremble? Someone on another list just lost their pup today. sounds like it came on fairly quick (renal failure w/trembling) i don’t want to email and ask what the pup was eating (i think they may believe it’s age related, 12yo Dal), but that little alarm bell is going off in my head . . .

  47. straybaby says:

    had their pets tremble! not has :-/

  48. Jody says:

    Katie,—— thank you so much for the information. I love my dog so much and only want to do the BEST thing for her. I will look at these website.

    Thank you again
    Jody

  49. Lynn says:

    Everyone: go back and read the link in straybaby Says: May 24th, 2007 at 2:23 pm - do’t skim it - READ IT in full.
    If I understand correctly [and those of you with chemistry knowledge please correct me], it’s possible that if there was another toxin in the bag that the cyanuric acid dissipated it before the test.

    Does this mean that I can go out to a pool supply company and buy a cyanuric acid test kit, drop a kibble of ground up dry dog food in the test tube, add tap water, shake it up like crazy and then read the results? [And Teri at AccuTrace - if this is a viable method of testing I truly don’t mean to waylay business from you - I just so want to get home test kits to the consumer. You have pets - you know what it means to us.]

    CYA: pool professionals acronym for cyanuric acid. Hmmmmmm - CYA - cover your a**. How appropriate.

  50. Gerry says:

    Jody…chapter 13 DIET and chronic renal disease…. HOME PREPARED DOG AND CAT DIETS THE HEALTHFUL ALTERNATIVE BY DONALD R. STROMBECK,DVM.PHD

  51. Lynn says:

    RE 4lgdfriend Says: May 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    “FDA RELEASE THE IDENITIFED 5TH TOXIN TO THE PUBLIC NOW”

    Where? What? I don’t see anything on their website that relates to this [today].

  52. Anonymous says:

    straybaby Says:
    May 24th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    “has anyone has their pets tremble? Someone on another list just lost their pup today. sounds like it came on fairly quick (renal failure w/trembling) i don’t want to email and ask what the pup was eating (i think they may believe it’s age related, 12yo Dal), but that little alarm bell is going off in my head”

    Omigod. After following all of this information obsessively for weeks, I had to rush my 10 yr. old Westie to the Animal Medical Center in NY at night three weeks ago just after she ate. She was trembling and having trouble breathing. Diagnosed after xray with non-specific chronic lung condition, but now I wonder…I will look into this immediately.

  53. straybaby says:

    Lynn,

    I asked this question over in the forums under Misc. I’m trying to figure out the same thing. I need to shower and play with my dog, but i will be writing a couple of the companies that developed the strips and other test devices and see if we can’t come up with a home test.

  54. Janet says:

    My cat eats Iams Active Maturity dry. I’ve been trying to get her to switch to something else but she is so addicted to it. I just checked the Active Maturity ingredients list against their Large Breed dog food, and many of the ingredients are the same. Yikes!

  55. 5CatMom says:

    Straybaby,

    A vet at VSEC (Veterinary Specialty Emergency Clinic) told me that animals may tremble when they are in pain.

  56. Maureen says:

    anonymous at 4:18 is me…sorry

  57. straybaby says:

    Anonymous,

    where were you during 9/11? that may be another thing to look at if you were here. my apt got smoked out on the 13th. i came in later that night, so i don’t know how long my pets were breathing it, but i am concerned. especially since i lost one suddenly a year and a half ago. he, had blood coming out of the side of his mouth and the vet said possible embolism. i was too shaken to think clearly at the time, so i didn’t have a necropsy. a cough from a pet does raise my alarm bells now though.

  58. straybaby says:

    eep your right 5cat! i forgot that! mine trembles from fear, so that’s where my mind goes first.

  59. Amy says:

    So, say you feed your pet the dry with cyanuric acid and a wet with melamine - tests show those two combined create LARGE crystals in urine/kidneys.

  60. Ruth says:

    IAM’s keeps saying that their dry dog food is not affected because it isn’t made at the Menu Plant like their wet food. They have said it’s made at their plant.

    My pet dog died from what I believe was the Mini chunks. I have called several times and filed with FDA and nothing.

    They think because they were the ones to come out with the tainted wet food they have done their part with the recalls. They told me IAM’s reported it to Menu Foods to start the recalls.
    I have asked what have they done to be sure their other foods wasn’t tainted and was told its safe because it doesn’t have the protein that was in the recall.

    Itchmo I hope they respond to your emails. I still believe…..believe… but I know what I saw in my pets symptoms and the horrible pain and death my pet went through. She was a little Chi/terrier, only 6 yrs old. and a healthy dog.

  61. Ann Jackson says:

    Hi, Straybaby. My dog, Freedom, trembles almost constantly and has since she ate the toxic pet food. I think I remember a few others on this site writing about how their dogs trembled. Most of the trembling happens in her back legs. I hope this helps.

  62. Jody says:

    Thank you very much Mikescats, Gerry and everyone. I will look at everything. I just love this website. I learn so much

    Thank you too Itchmo.

    Jody

  63. Anonymous says:

    straybaby Says:
    May 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    Good question about 9/11, but we hadn’t moved to NY yet when that occured. When this happened 3 wks ago I assumed that perhaps she aspirated food since it happened right after eating dinner. I had eliminated wet food and kibble (both Wellness) and had her on cooked organic freshly ground beef, rice and a supplement (Dr. Goodpet — 1st ingredient chicken meal).

  64. Anonymous says:

    Maureen,

    Your unknown lung problem, check the AVMA website, the study they posted about the sheep. The sheep had fluid in the lungs. My cat had fluid in his lungs after he ate the tainted food. Tell your vet!
    http://www.avma.org/aa/petfood....._sheep.asp

  65. Mark says:

    I would like to add that I have problems with ORGANIX DRY CAT FOOD. I started feeding this to my three cats two weeks ago, and they started throwing up. They threw up the food and what looked like phlegm. I quit feeding it to them and they seem fine now. Castor & Pollux assured me that it is “safe”.

    My vet thinks it’s because I switched the food too fast and not gradually.

    I’m not sure what is going on. I switched them back to the Natural Balance Reduced Calorie formula, but I am worried about this too. Since NB has had recalls of their other formulas. I just don’t know what to feed them.

    I can not get any of the “better” foods from the smaller companies like Evo, Innova, etc… There is no place around me that carries them. What to do?

  66. Carolann says:

    Itchmo..Thankyou as I have said before this site is awesome..if it was not for this site we would all be in the dark on all these recalls…GREAT WORK on your part

  67. Suzi says:

    I just emailed IAMS last week asking about the sources of their ingredients. I got a reply stating:

    “I wish I could be more helpful, but supplier information is proprietary and
    not shared outside the company.”

    It does not exactly instill confidence in their foods.

    The email also states:

    “Because of the recent issues on processed vegetable proteins, we have made an exception to this rule and shared with our consumers that Iams and Eukanuba products currently on retailers’ shelves are not formulated with any processed vegetable proteins (wheat gluten, corn gluten or rice concentrate protein).”

  68. Compcat says:

    You can’t use a pool test kit to test for cyanuric acid in pet foods. You’d have to do an extraction step first. You’d also want to know what range of contamination you are looking for (grams of contaminant in total volume of substance). I highly doubt that the amount found in pet food would react to the pool test kit anyway. (Remember, part of the problem is that melamine and cyanuric acid are concentrated in the kidneys.)

    I can’t tell for sure, since the report just reads “detected” which tells me nothing of the detection limit used, method, anything. Are there more pages to this report?

  69. Monica says:

    Janet,

    I had the same problem as you - my 15 year old cat Seamus REFUSED to try new foods. I tried 2 years ago to move him to a higher quality food (felt like I was feeding him the cat equivalent of Doritos!), but every food I tried he just turned up his nose and refused to eat.

    But with everything going on I got stubborn (and clever)… or maybe just desperate. So… I bought a new quality food (Innova) that I was comfortable with. I often give Seamus treats during the day, so I started by slipping a kibble of the Innova in with his treats from time to time. Then one day I put out a whole bowl. He thought it was a bowl full of treats and started chomping away! Now he’s happily eating a higher quality food and I can sleep at night.

    Even with this method, I’d recommend buying the smallest size bag you can - cats are picky and I wouldn’t want you to invest in a 10 lb. bag only to have your cat refuse it (even as a treat!).

    Good luck!!!

  70. Amy says:

    Mark - read this post by Moony from the itchmo forums “help with my sick pet” topic regarding NB reduced calorie:

    Moony
    Newbie

    Posts: 11

    Re: If your pet survived the food poisoning
    « Reply #35 on: May 08, 2007, 02:41:34 PM » Quote

    ——————————————————————————–
    2dachsunds - One of my cats died from food that’s still not on the list that she’d been eating for the last year and a half, so just because you’re not having problems with it *now* doesn’t mean its going to stay that way.

    Ajmac - there are a LOT of links on this forum to places concerned with CRF and a lot of stories like yours, even in the titles to the threads. I would STONGLY suggest you read them. Incidentally, my cat died from Natural Balance Reduced Calorie kibble, and my remaining cat has kidney damage from it.

    –Moony

  71. Helen says:

    Magazine dedicated to providing consumers with information about products MADE IN THE USA. I am going to subscribe.

    http://www.madeinusamag.com/mission.htm

  72. 4lgdfriend says:

    Anon says: The sheep had fluid in the lungs. My cat had fluid in his lungs after he ate the tainted food.
    http://www.avma.org/aa/petfood....._sheep.asp

    HEAD EXPLODING OFF NECK

  73. SmartyCat says:

    I’m a member of multiple online survey groups (all together they bring in an extra $100-200 a year and I sometimes get free stuff). Well, I just finished a 20 minute survey about the pet food recalls. Wanted to know what brands I recognized by name and packaging, my “impressions” of them and their wholesomeness, whether or not I thought they were safe, what companies I thought had handled the recalls well and badly, etc. It included other brands but overall was VERY Purina focused (including asking me who I thought the parent company of Pro Plan, Friskies, and Fancy Feast was). I think they’re concerned. And somehow I don’t think I gave them the answers they wanted. LOL

  74. Brandi says:

    Mark Says:

    “I can not get any of the “better” foods from the smaller companies like Evo, Innova, etc… There is no place around me that carries them. What to do?”

    You can buy many of them online. I know Pet food Direct carries the Natura products. I’m sure others do as well.

  75. SmartyCat says:

    Mark:
    Have you tried asking any local, indepedent pet stores or livestock feed stores to special order for you? I’ve found my small, local stores very willing to add to their inventory and obtain another buyer.

  76. Lisa Allison says:

    Well it IS almost Friday of a 3-day weekend. I bet nothing becomes official until late tomorrow. These SOBS!

  77. 4lgdfriend says:

    The sheep had fluid in the lungs BOOM
    From Material Safety Datasheet: Melamine: Potential Acute Health Effects: Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, OF INHALATION (LUNG IRRITANT).
    Special Remarks: Inhalation: May cause irritation of the respiratory tract and affect respiration.

  78. 4lgdfriend says:

    well other organ things can cause fluid in the lungs too - kidney failure?

    nevertheless: FDA RELEASE THE 5TH TOXIN TO THE PUBLIC NOW!!

  79. 4lgdfriend says:

    THANKS Itchmo for staying on their case.

  80. straybaby says:

    CompCat,

    can you check this link?

    http://www.palintest.com/parameters/cyanuric

  81. Sandi K says:

    4lgdfriend Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
    Sandi K said: FDA has done is sent a letter to pet food companies saying they are allowed to police themselves and are”expected” to ensure their food is safe. Well FDA when are you going to get a clue that they obviously arent going to do anything?

    duh, never. The mfrs PAY the FDA to speed their approvals.
    The FDA works FOR THE MFRS. not for us.

    When are people going to understand?
    ****************************************
    4lgdfriend, I totally understand, I lost my cat due to this. And maybe i didnt get my point across, but to me even though FDA may work for the MFRS doesnt make it right and Im personally not willing to just accept things the way they are. Everyones answer is to not buy China products or pet food but that will not stop the companies from continuing how they have been doing things all along. Thats great if people dont want to buy pet food any longer and I dont blame anyone, but that doesnt help others who will continue to buy pet food such as animal shelters etc. They have the right to know the product they are using is safe and the only way to that will ever come to be is to take on FDA, pet food companies, etc and not give up.

  82. menusux says:

    Suzi Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
    I just emailed IAMS last week asking about the sources of their ingredients. I got a reply stating:

    “I wish I could be more helpful, but supplier information is proprietary and
    not shared outside the company.”

    It does not exactly instill confidence in their foods.

    The email also states:

    “Because of the recent issues on processed vegetable proteins, we have made an exception to this rule and shared with our consumers that Iams and Eukanuba products currently on retailers’ shelves are not formulated with any processed vegetable proteins (wheat gluten, corn gluten or rice concentrate protein).”

    Re: “Sharing”

    Until the company can “share” this information with me, I am unable to “share” my $ with them. What they’ve “shared” can be found on the Iams website under ingredients for each product. Perhaps if enough of them hear what we can’t “share” with them, they’ll be more willing to disclose information.

  83. Carrie says:

    Jody,

    Even though I used to feed Purina products for years, I’ll never trust them again. I’d find something else for your dog. Our 13 year old Australian Shepherd was switched to canned Alpo last fall, (way before the recalls) he started going downhill in October, not kidney related, but liver enzymes way off, weight loss, energy loss, etc. Vet couldn’t find reason. We expected his death any day. When Alpo was recalled, I immediately switched him to Merrick canned, and within 2 weeks he was a different dog! Energy, gaining weight, total turnaround. I believe that something in the Alpo even last fall was slowly poisoning him. Hope another food works as well for you. Good luck.

  84. Moony says:

    Thanks for posting that Amy! I was gonna say it myself. :D

    Also, Mark, are there any horses in your area? Even just outside the city? If there are, there’s also a feed store somewhere in the area where the horse owners get their grain. They carry cat and dog food as well, and often brands the pet stores don’t have, like Ivo, Felidae, and Evangers. Plus, you can mail order food. NB should be considered BAD all around now, even their customer service has been lying to people. I started feeding Castor & Pollux Natural Ultramix shortly before my cat died, and my surviving cat was recovering on it, but I switched to Felidae & Pounce from The Honest Kitchen, with some fish mixed in, and he’s been doing MUCH better on it (tho he doesn’t apparently like the Lamb & Rice Felidae…)

  85. TC says:

    Catching up on reading this now, but must say thanks for all your efforts here at Itchmo. My head is swimming with all the news on this, but I have to know and without sites like yours, this would be even more of a horrific tragedy than it already is. You are doing something very good.

  86. menusux says:

    http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmr.....05_07.html

    Hong Chang Corporation Recalls Monkfish Because of Possible Health Risk
    Contact:
    Steven Luo
    (562) 309-0068

    “FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE — Santa Fe Springs, CA — May 23, 2007 — Hong Chang Corporation, Santa Fe Springs, CA is recalling product labeled as monkfish because it may contain tetrodotoxin, a potent toxin. Although the product was identified as monkfish, we are concerned the product may be pufferfish because this toxin is usually associated with certain types of pufferfish. Consumption of foods containing tetrodotoxin can result in life-threatening illness or death. This toxin cannot be destroyed by cooking or freezing.

    “Initial symptoms occur within 30 minutes to several hours after consuming food containing the toxin and are characterized by lip and tongue tingling and then followed by facial and extremity tingling and numbness. Subsequent symptoms may include headache, balance problems, excessive salivation, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea with abdominal pain which can be severe. In severe cases, muscles can become paralyzed and death may follow resulting from respiratory muscle paralysis. Consumers experiencing these symptoms should seek immediate medical care.

    “A total of 282, 22-lb. boxes of monkfish were distributed to wholesalers in Illinois, California and Hawaii beginning in September 2006. This product was sold in retail stores, restaurants, and cash and carry stores in these regions.

    “The monkfish are individually packaged in clear plastic sleeves and placed in a plastic liner which is inside a cardboard box. There are no lot numbers on the box. The boxes are packed by total weight, 22 pounds, with labeling on one panel that reads “MONK FISH GUTTED AND HEAD-OFF PRODUCT OF CHINA”. A second box panel bears nutritional facts and the following, “Ingredients: Monk fish; Imported by: Hong Chang Corp, Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670; Product of China (P.R.C.).”

    “The problem was discovered after two people in the Chicago, IL area fell ill after consuming soup made with the “monkfish”. The Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) analysis of the fish confirmed the presence of life-threatening levels of tetrodotoxin.

    “At this time, Hong Chang Corp. and FDA are investigating how the problem occurred.

    “Consumers who have purchased this monkfish are urged to return it to the place of purchase for a full refund. Care should be exercised in handling the fish as the tetrodotoxin may be present on the skin and flesh of the fish. Wash hands thoroughly after handling. Consumers with questions may contact the company at 1-562-309-0068.

    “Consumers who may have consumed these products and have concerns are encouraged to contact their health care provider. Consumers should also report illnesses associated with consumption of these products to the nearest FDA district offices and to their local health authority.

    Note the origin of the fish product and that it was imported beginning last fall, and that neither the importer nor FDA are certain if the product was pufferfish or not….

  87. Amy says:

    Well, Moony, it came up again today when I tried to make someone feel a little better about possibly dodging a NB bullet… they’re still listing the reduced calorie as fine on the NB website. But, hey, they’ve done that before and that’s how I wound up with a kidney problem cat after feeding their other crap. Now one’s on Rx diet and the other is on a variety of things… currently he likes Evangers and Felidae but he’s a hard core Fancy Feast addict and getting him through withdrawal has been tough!

  88. Dave says:

    Kidney Failure Link for Jody

    http://www.shirleys-wellness-c.....htm#kidney

    This view point is very different from what conventional vets would suggest. Dave

  89. EGB says:

    I add my thanks along with all the others I have read here, to Itchmo for digging out the hidden information and giving us a forum to share our experiences and help each other. I have made a donation to Itchmo to help with expenses in maintaining this site. I also click on some of the ads, since that provides additional income to Itchmo.

  90. menusux says:

    From Menu, with Love:

    http://www.menufoods.com/recall/US%20Residents.htm

    “May 24, 2007

    “Dear Pet Owner:

    “Thank you for your interest in Menu Foods. Menu Foods wants to express sympathy to those pet owners whose pets have become sick or died, and to assure you that we are doing everything we can to address your concerns. It has always been our desire to compensate pet owners for reasonable expenses that we can identify as being caused by contamination of Menu Foods’ products.

    “On May 24, 2007, a United States federal court issued an order that, for the time being, prevents Menu Foods from having direct contact with individual U.S. pet owners. In light of the order, we regret that we cannot communicate with you at this time. As soon as the court permits, we intend to resume efforts to resolve claims directly with pet owners. We will post additional information when we are able.”

    http://www.menufoods.com/recal.....idents.htm

    “May 24, 2007

    “Dear Pet Owner:

    “Thank you for your interest in Menu Foods. Menu Foods wants to express sympathy to those pet owners whose pets have become sick or died, and to assure you that we are doing everything we can to address your concerns. It has always been our desire to compensate pet owners for reasonable expenses that we can identify as being caused by contamination of Menu Foods’ products.

    “On May 24, 2007, a United States federal court issued an order that, for the time being, prevents Menu Foods from having direct contact with individual U.S. pet owners. While we do not believe the prohibition extends to Canada, Menu Foods is reviewing how best we can be fair to both Canadian residents and U.S. residents, so that all of the claims of pet owners can be resolved. Until this review is complete, Menu Foods is not in a position to settle claims by Canadian pet owners. We will post additional information when our review is complete. ”

    Posted on their website within the last 2-3 hours.

  91. High Note says:

    Colgate says they do not import toothpaste from China well here are some of their plants in China: http:/www.mindbranch.com/prod-toc/Toothpaste-R263-26991
    READ ON
    Conscious Consumers
    China
    Toothpaste Market
    China-Largest Producer of Toothpaste in the World
    Consumer Trends
    Leading Players and Their Market Shares in the Recent Past
    Table 101: Market Share of Leading Toothpaste Manufacturers in China in the Recent Past (2001): Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Tianjin Liantian Group Stock Co Ltd, Dencare (Chongqing) Oral Care Co Ltd, Guangzhou Masson Group Corporation, Colpal Chemical Industrial Co Ltd and Others (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 102: Market Share of Leading Anti-Cavity Toothpaste Manufacturers in China in the Recent Past (2001): Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Shanghai Unilever Toothpaste Co Ltd., Liuzhou Liangmianzhen Co Ltd, Tianjin Liantian Group Stock Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Guangzhou Masson Group Corporation and Others (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 103: Market Share of Leading Herbal Toothpaste Manufacturers in China in the Recent Past (2001): Shanghai Unilever Toothpaste Co Ltd, Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Liuzhou Liangmianzhen Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Guangzhou Masson Group Corporation and Others (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 104: Market Shares of Leading Whitening Toothpaste Manufacturers in China in the Recent Past (2001): Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Shanghai Unilever Toothpaste Co Ltd, Liuzhou Liangmianzhen Co Ltd and Others (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 105: Percentage Shares of Leading Players in Mouth Rinse Market in China in the Recent Past (2001): ORAL-B (Shanghai) Co Ltd, Guangzhou Masson Group Corporation, Tianjin Liantian Group Stock Co Ltd and Others (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 106: Market Shares of Leading Toothpaste Brands in China (Historic Data for 2000): Colgate, Zhonghua, Crest, Signal, Liangmianzhen, Heimei, Legsuanling, Liubizhi, Kangchiling and Others (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 107: Total Toothpaste Production Volume Breakup of Leading Players in China in the Recent Past (2001): Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Tianjin Liantian Group Stock Co Ltd, Dencare (Chongqing) Oral Care Co Ltd, Guangzhou Masson Group Corporation, Colpal Chemical Industrial Co Ltd and Others (In million Yuan) (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 108: Anti-Cavity Toothpaste Production Volume Breakup of Leading Players in China in the Recent Past (2001): Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Shanghai Unilever Toothpaste Co Ltd, Liuzhou Liangmianzhen Co Ltd, Tianjin Liantian Group Stock Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Guangzhou and Masson Group Corporation and Others (In million Yuan) (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 109: Herbal Toothpaste Production Volume Breakup of Leading Players in China in the Recent Past (2001): Shanghai Unilever Toothpaste Co Ltd, Guangzhou Colgate-Palmolive Co Ltd, Liuzhou Liangmianzhen Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company and Guangzhou Masson Group Corporation and Others (In million Yuan) (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

    Table 110: Whitening Toothpaste Production Volume Breakup of Leading Players in China in the Recent Past (2001): Guangzhou Colgate- Palmolive Co Ltd, Procter & Gamble (China) Company, Shanghai Unilever Toothpaste Co Ltd, Liuzhou Liangmianzhen Co Ltd and Others (In million Yuan) (includes corresponding Graph/Chart)

  92. Moony says:

    Yeah, I guess that’s what it should be called - ‘withdrawal’! XD

    Does anyone have a list of the 4 named toxins? I’m having trouble finding it in all the comments…I should write it down.

  93. pam says:

    my dog’s been eating iam’s dry for 4 years until february….i opened a new 8 lb bag, he came running as always, sniffed the food and refused to eat it. he’s a beagle mix…food is the most important thing in his life, but he wouldn’t touch that iams dry…no way, no how. i still have it. then the recall was announced. i’ve had my suspicions about iams ever since.

  94. Janet says:

    menusux,
    “Unable to communicate with individual U.S. pet owners due to a United States federal court order”. What’s up with that?

  95. Barb, GSD MOM says:

    Great–here in our office a lady feeds her golden Iams adult dry food. She is going to check her bag tonight for the lot numbers. My other GSD friend/breeder feeds all her dogs & puppies Iams in the green bag. Geez.

  96. Joan says:

    The cats out of the bag - Thank you, itchmo!

  97. High Note says:

    So NOW WE HAVE TO WONDER WHETHER WE HAVE CYANURIC ACID IN THE DRY FOODS TOO. i WONDER IF ANY OF THEM WERE CHECKED AT ALL? THERE JUST IS NOT ANYTHING SAVE ANY MORE!
    THE FDA IS GOING TO HAVE TO ASK FOR A LOT MORE HELP BECAUSE THEY BETTER START CHECKING ALL OF OUR FOOD TOO.
    PLUS IF THEY SAY WE CAN EAT THE TAINTED CHICKEN, FISH, AND PORK BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS IN OUR DIET, WELL THAT IS OUR DIET EXCEPT FOR BEEF AND THEY ALL READY PROBABLY SUPPLY ALL THE PRESERVATIVES THAT ARE IN MOST OF OUR PRODUCTS IN THE STORE AND WHAT IS IN THEM THAT MAY BE TAINTED TOO? NOW THE FDA IS CHECKING OUR TOOTHPASTE TOO. WHAT NEXT?

  98. DMS says:

    re:Sandi K said: FDA has done is sent a letter to pet food companies saying they are allowed to police themselves and are”expected” to ensure their food is safe. Well FDA when are you going to get a clue that they obviously arent going to do anything

    I wonder if the FDA is telling them exactly what to look for. If so, I wonder if anyone with a conscience will spill the beans. Sooner or later…

  99. Moony says:

    If a company has something manufactured in their own plants in another country, does shipping it here even count as an ‘import’?

  100. Sandi K says:

    Moony Says:

    Moony, the so far revealed toxins are melamine, cyanuric acid, ammeloride and ammelorine. With some possiblity of still aminopterin thrown in there too…..

  101. Suzi says:

    menusux wrote:

    “Re: “Sharing”

    Until the company can “share” this information with me, I am unable to “share” my $ with them. What they’ve “shared” can be found on the Iams website under ingredients for each product. Perhaps if enough of them hear what we can’t “share” with them, they’ll be more willing to disclose information.”

    Exactly. I sent a reply saying I won’t be buying their products any more and suggested the re-think their policy of non-disclosure. Perhaps when their sales bottom out, they might reconsider.

  102. Sandi K says:

    DMS Says:

    DMS thats what I keep hoping for that someone who has quit or wants to be a “whistle-blower” will come forward.

  103. Moony says:

    *writes it down* Thanks Sandi!

  104. menusux says:

    “Janet Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
    menusux,
    “Unable to communicate with individual U.S. pet owners due to a United States federal court order”. What’s up with that?”

    Can’t find any news story about the order right now, but think it may have to do with one or more of the lawsuits filed against Menu–individual or class action. If we knew which district the order came from, we could try viewing the order online at the respective court’s website.

  105. straybaby says:

    does anyone remember who issued the order that they were not to destroy food because of the upcoming legal issues. this was back towards the begining. that may shed some light.

  106. Jo says:

    JODY: I second Gerry’s suggestion that you get Dr. Donald Strombeck’s book and read his chapter on diet and kidney disease. He is a 45-year small animal practitioner plus professor emeritis at Univ. of CA, Davis and very knowledgeable in gastroenterology. It is odd for a vet — particularly of his stature — to recommend home prepared diets for cats and dogs, and be so open about the horrors of commercial pet foods and the industry. I’m sue he took a lot of heat for his book, which I think is excellent. The kidney disease diets are extremely simple and easy to prepare. I would get your dog on one of these recipes immediately.

  107. Beth says:

    Re: Colgate Palmolive toothpaste
    I have used Colgate toothpaste probably most of my life–probably exclusively in the last 5 years.
    I have not had a cavity in my mouth in 15 years. I brush and floss more than the average person, I would say.
    I went to the dentist for my “yearly” cleaning/checkup.
    I had 35 cavaties. (I sat in the dentist’s chair and just cried!) The dentist made impressions of my teeth and I use gel-flouride treatments twice a day. Less than two months have gone by since I had all these teeth filled—-and….
    The dental floss is hanging up on my teeth and when I run my fingernail down the tooth there IS a pit which I am saying IS decay.
    Hearing about the toothpaste coming from China, I now wonder could it be the toothpaste? My oral hygiene and diet has been consistent.
    I’d be curious to know if anyone else is having any dental iproblems with using Colgate?

  108. Chuck says:

    Let’s reveiw some observation facts:

    1. How long has this recall stuff been going on already, very long, right?

    2. Practically every day people have been given constant reliable information on this wesite, which is very conclusive that the pet food companies are not safe and not to be trusted. see #8.

    3. Yet, a lot of people are still questioning every single selection, treats, whatever, manufactured by brand companies that have put on the recall list to find out if they are safe to feed their pets.

    4. The majority of people claim that they have learned not to trust the pet food companies and FDA for all the obvious reasons, and their comments saying so are repeated over and over again with good reason.

    5. Yet, most or some people are still questioning the safety of every single selection and treats from those brand companies that are on the recall list. (sounds familiar with #3, doesn’t it?)

    6. And they still want to know exactly what is in those brands that is “proprietary information.” (not including the people who had pet losses)

    7. see #2 …constant reliable information, and see #3 and #5.

    8. More than contamination has been exposed about the pet foods.

    9. Yet it seems to me that some people are looking for reasons to trust the companies again since they want to know if those same companies still carry safe foods. see #3 and #5 and #8.

    10. It’s quite clear to most people that the pet food companies’ goal is only to increase their wealth, and that has been repeated over and over again with good reason.

    If my points from 1 through 10 has made anybody’s head spin, then that is to be expected. These facts have been making my head spin.

    1. What does it take for some people to understand that with all the verified facts given, that those companies are not safe no matter what they produce?

    2. How long and what does it take for some people to understand that the companies are not interested in the well-being of pets?

  109. Lorie says:

    Not sure if any one posted this or not but symptoms in humans is also labored breathing, stomach pain, and like I posted earlier convulsions. Just google Cyuaric acid symptoms and these things appear. Aslo cancer in long term exposure

  110. cayty says:

    I sure wish accutrace would/could publish a list of all pet foods it has tested and the results.

    I also wish their fee for testing were more affordable. Someone on a limited income just cannot afford that much $ for a test. The brand(s) I have been feeding are NOT from any company involved in a recall…but even so, I’d sure feel better to know for sure that it’s all safe. Ah well.

  111. Jay says:

    This excerpt from Dolittler (March 20, 2007)

    t = 0 days (Feb 20): When the first cases were reported. [Canadian press story mentions some knowledge of a problem in mid-December - Jay]

    t = 7 days (Feb 27): When Menu Foods started testing.
    t = 7-18 days: When their test cases were dying (one in six we now know).

    t = 25 days (Friday, March 16): When they finally issued the recall.

    Nearly a month has gone by. I’d have expected a lot more action from the huge conglomerates affected in this disaster. As if waiting a full ten days before an announcement isn’t horrific enough, delivering the news on the cusp of a sleepy weekend is the height of hubris. It’s a parting-shot insult that serves as much-deserved death knell for their collective brand equity.

    end of Dolittler excerpt:

    For all the talk of China, etc., let’s return to some flat out villainy as demonstrated above: Menu Foods and this delay that cost so many.

    Reminder #1: Menu Foods manufactures Special Kitty: don’t buy it, tomorrow or anytime, as long as Wal-Mart contracts with Menu.

    Of course, if Wal-Mart changes supplier, it will undoubtedly be for a Chinese supplier — so check those labels!

    And thanks, Chuck, a good list

  112. Helen says:

    Has anyone had a pet eat DRY food and immediately die? Seems like immediate death is more common with the canned food, and longer wasting illness with the dry, based on reports I have been reading. If the dry food poisoning is slow, it is then harder to recognize, and therefore companies have been “getting away with” not recalling it. My cat’s dry food illness was slow in progression and she recovered when the food was removed. Anyone?

  113. pam says:

    i believe most animal guardians feel as i do…i will never trust the pet food companies again. the only well-being they care about is their stockholders.

  114. Helen says:

    Also, as I have been reading all this time, as months went by, newer bags seem to have been faster acting, e.g. pet ate bag bought in April and got sick quickly, vs. pet ate food from bag bought in January got sick more slowly. Are we just on alert to notice right away, or is the new food worse than food from earlier months. Anyone?

  115. Madison says:

    A 2 year old springer spaniel eating 50% Eukanuba Puppy and 50% Adult Lamb and Rice Blue Buffallo. Since January she was throwing up off and on. In early April there was blood in her urine. She was diagnosed with severe urinary tract infection with possible early renal failure.

    She was retested a week agi, the WBC and RWC counts are normal, however still some bacteria and struvite crystals.

    She was taken off the Blue Buffalo April 30th and was changed to Iam Lamb and Rice. I am worried about the Eukanuba and the Iams as well.

  116. Lorie says:

    I checked the Bloom by my house none of there 20 lbs green bags had the right number on them. Will check somewhere else tomorrow.

  117. furmom says:

    If I were a really cynical person, I might look at all these events and think, what would I do if I were heading up a pet food company and I had just found out there was some really bad contaminant that got in to many pet foods, but it was believed it wouldn’t actually kill many pets. Would I calculate the millions of dollars not just from recalls, but from certain future lost sales, and worse shareholders dumping my company’s stock, and then figure, well a few pets might get sick if they are already weak, but with so many different brands, people mixing and switching, whose really going to figure it out? Maybe if we just lay low, or recall a few limited runs, brands to make it look like we are preemptively doing something, most of this food will be through the line before people figure it out if ever. If there are complaints, sick pets, maybe a few deaths, we’ll just deny everything, deny there is a contaminant, deny we ever used it, deny we had knowledge of someone slipping it into the processing line, deny that there’s any more than a trace mix up, cross-contamination. Most pet owners, if they had a problem won’t have the feed or evidence left, won’t be able to prove it ever was in the food, won’t have a pet left to autopsy, or won’t even suspect it was the food, or won’t believe it could be the food. Now *if* after the fact we find out all this bad contaminant has a somewhat worse effect than we guessed, well that’s too bad, but we can’t expose our company to any liability. We’ll show we did the best we could not having any idea how pervasive this little problems was, or how bad it could be. And we will just keep assuring our buyers (and most of all our shareholders) that we are going to check everything. Which will be easy, because we know damn well what happened, so now we will just do it differently. And the corporate machine will continue to grind on. That’s what I would think if I were a really cynical person.

  118. ThursdayNoos » Cat Blogosphere says:

    […] Itchmo Safety Alert: EXCLUSIVE: Lab Reports Cyanuric Acid In Unrecalled Dry Food. Full Article: http://www.itchmo.com/read/lab....._20070524. Itchmo is asking "…if anyone has an unopened 20 lb. bag of Iams Large Breed drydog food […]

  119. anna_2007 says:

    I vote for a new word: ITCHMOSIS - the process of outing the most disgraceful crimes against pets and humans … Alternative usage: “I’m gonna Itchmo you crooks!”.

  120. Helen says:

    furmom: I must be a very cynical person. :{

  121. Lorie says:

    furmom

    I totally agree with you I said all along IMO FF Purina in general has been letting everyone else take the blame just lie in this case IAMS. Because you have to prove from what I understand that one food is the only one your cat or dog has in eaten in the last XYZ days, weeks months and that is hard to prove. And so many people like you say switch the foods up for variety it is hard to pin point the exact one taht caused it if they are not admitting to anything, the only reason I am 100% sure mine was the FF Elegant medley is because it is the only food both my cats eat in common they both eat a different dry, but both eat FF wet.

  122. Helen says:

    ITCHMOSIS! Anna_2007, you are a genius! I LOVE that!!!

  123. Moony says:

    furmom, you forgot to add in the ‘benefit’ of increased sales of prescription foods, and the reasoning that ‘it could be any number of things’ that caused the ill and dead pets.

  124. menusux says:

    Latest Re: Import Situation-

    http://www.wtopnews.com/index......id=1149695

    U.S. Asks China to Monitor Exports
    May 24, 2007 - 6:16pm Associated Press

    “U.S. officials asked their Chinese counterparts to increase oversight of food and drug exports Thursday as the list of potentially deadly products reaching U.S. shores kept growing.

    “The U.S. asked China to require exporters to register with the government, amid other measures meant to provide greater assurance of the safety of their products. The requests came amid ongoing problems with Chinese exports, including chemically spiked pet food ingredients and, as of Thursday, potentially poisonous toothpaste and toxic fish.

    “The Chinese understand very well that any nation that does not create an atmosphere of trust with consumers and customers, they will be disadvantaged quickly on the world market,” Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt told reporters.

    “A Chinese Embassy spokeswoman declined to comment other than to refer a reporter to previous statements made by government officials. Earlier this week, Vice Premier Wu Yi, in Washington for high-level economic talks, warned against politicizing economic and trade issues.

    “”Obviously, there is a problem in China. It keeps getting bigger and we keep seeing more problems in different realms,” said Chris Waldrop of the Consumer Federation of America.

    “On Thursday, even more potential problems were disclosed: The FDA said it was stopping all imports of Chinese toothpaste to test for a deadly chemical reportedly found in tubes sold elsewhere in the world. The testing will look for diethylene glycol, a chemical commonly used in antifreeze and brake fluid, spokesman Doug Arbesfeld said. The imports will be released only if they test negative for the chemical. The announcement came following reports that tainted Chinese toothpaste was sold in Australia, the Dominican Republic and Panama.

    “The FDA also announced an importer was recalling 282 22-pound boxes labeled as Chinese monkfish that it distributed to three states. Two Chicago-area people became ill after eating the fish, which FDA testing later revealed contained life-threatening levels of tetrodotoxin, a sometimes deadly toxin. Importer Hong Chang Corp., of Santa Fe Springs, Calif., believes the fish may actually be pufferfish, which can contain tetrodotoxin.

    “”There is a harsh reality here: When it comes to food, ‘Made in China’ is now a warning label in the United States,” said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., who earlier this month exacted a promise from FDA commissioner Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach and Chinese Ambassador Zhou Wenzhong that they would work toward a mutual agreement to improve inspections and the overall safety of food products and drugs traded between the two nations.

    “When asked Thursday if consumers could trust the safety of food imported from China, von Eschenbach told The AP: “This is one area where we have an ongoing opportunity for continuous improvement and that’s what we are going to pursue.”

    “Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., chairwoman of the House Appropriations’ agriculture subcommittee, pledged to hold a hearing to examine Chinese imports.

    “”This is becoming a day-by-day event. We got monkfish _ poisonous pufferfish _ as just yet another example. And they’re investigating toxic toothpaste imported from China. This is truly out of control,” said DeLauro, who criticized the administration’s food and drug safety requests to the Chinese as nonbinding.”

  125. Amy says:

    Furmom - count me in the cynics as well…

  126. Sandi K says:

    Lorie Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
    Not sure if any one posted this or not but symptoms in humans is also labored breathing, stomach pain, and like I posted earlier convulsions. Just google Cyuaric acid symptoms and these things appear. Aslo cancer in long term exposure
    *************************

    Thanks for that info Lori, alot of these symptoms are what my kitty had before she died .thank you

  127. ann says:

    Sad to say that it was just a matter of time before the large conglomerate companies were found out

  128. Sandi K says:

    Amy Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
    Furmom - count me in the cynics as well…
    *************************************
    Amy, heck not only am I cynical, call me paranoid anymore. I have to admit I have gone as far as wondering if any of this is China citizens being paid by terrorists to do this, especially with human food being more and more involved too…..our cat died from eating recalled food and the only good thing now is I dont have to worry about what to feed a pet as Im not going to be getting another one for a long time. It was too heartbreaking to watch her die and I dont want to worry about it happening to another one, there is no way I could go thru that again and come out sane.

  129. Debbie4747 says:

    “A Chinese Embassy spokeswoman declined to comment other than to refer a reporter to previous statements made by government officials. Earlier this week, Vice Premier Wu Yi, in Washington for high-level economic talks, warned against politicizing economic and trade issues.

    ******

    Hmmmm…..is this a threat, of sorts? Fish, petfood, toothpaste, long history of other tainted or mislableled or foods and products such as baby formula missing necessary ingredients….all quite deadly….and they’re warning us? What will they do, stop sending us their crap?

  130. Donna says:

    re : FDA and prescription for my pet and refill from diif, store same fungus med -different generic co. I ha my dog on fungal wed bad yeast infection on skin was clearing up almost gone vet said refill to be sure is al gone I refilled different store was cheaper for same drug ( different generic ) I noticed it was a different color 4 days later I am right back where we started 6 weeks ago with infection ? I called store about different generic source and problem I was having ( I said I dont think this is ethier real med >as is not working as other generic did or do they use different stuff in generic co, that make (same med ) they said is FDA controlled so is exactly the same ,I said bull FDA doesnt care nor inspect anything ,os I am refilling at 1sr source of MED that was working ( fake drug is a real possibitly in my mind really a fast change could not be any where the same as 1st med took 42 pills to get almost healed 3 days on other generic and almost back to day 1 wont do it I hate the FDA they are killing us

  131. K Vance says:

    Last Fall Aug & part Sept. I started one of my Labs on Blue Buffalo for a health problem (paroxymal diskinesias sp?). I was told to get her on a “better” food. 3 weeks later she urinated in house which is very bizarre since she is paper trained as well as housetrained. She didn’t make it to the wee wee pad. 1st vet found pH problem in urine & put her on antibiotics even though no bacteria present. She seemed to get better. As soon as AB ran out she urinated again (not making it to the wee wee pad). I took her to a veterinary internist who did full blood workup and found crystals in urine and STRONGLY urged me to go back to the old food (sorry It was Pegdigree dry). With no other treatment (other than going back to Pedigree) the urinalysis came back normal in 2 weeks and she’s had no problems since.
    I contacted Blue Buffalo and they assured me it had nothing to do with their food. But no Blue Buffalo = no urinary crystals in my dog.
    The chemical makeup of the crystals was not determined at the time but I believe we likely saved her life.

  132. Lorie says:

    Sandy K,

    Sorry about your kitty, but at least now they symptoms make sense. : ( Which food was kitty eating I can’t remember. I think I am finally going to break down and send my FF away to be tested I have 20 cans of the crap.

    What toothpaste is suspect I use Colgate and saw it mention it that the brand

  133. elizabeth says:

    Does anyone know the key to the production codes Iams uses? For instance if my 40 pound green bag of large breed says Jan 2008 is there a way to tell when it was manufactured?

  134. slt says:

    Couldn’t you post the report but blur the lab’s info so they are not named - would that satisfy the sharks at Iams? Censorship!

  135. ann says:

    Since I switched from proplan to Innova dry for my dog, and NB Venison and Green Pea canned for my cat, I have not had any vomiting, urinating, excessive shedding, diarreah(dog) and vomiting, wheezing, excessive shedding and har chewing (cat) with either of them. They are the best they have ever been.

  136. Debbie4747 says:

    OMG! This talk about toothpaste got me to bring out an unused tube still in the box Crest tartar Protection Whitening Cool Mint Paste. It says: “Warnings-Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If more than used for brushing is accidently swallowed, get medical help or call a Poison Control Center right away.”

    Sounds scarey to me. Doesn’t say where it’s made or where the ingredients come from.

  137. anna_2007 says:

    # straybaby Says:
    May 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    Anonymous,

    where were you during 9/11? that may be another thing to look at if you were here. my apt got smoked out on the 13th. i came in later that night, so i don’t know how long my pets were breathing it, but i am concerned. especially since i lost one suddenly a year and a half ago. he, had blood coming out of the side of his mouth and the vet said possible embolism. i was too shaken to think clearly at the time, so i didn’t have a necropsy. a cough from a pet does raise my alarm bells now though.

    To Straybaby:
    I was front and center. All the rescue dogs have died, and the first ones to go, they sealed their autopsy reports. Found out re. one of them, he had 9 different cancers, very rare ones. Check for thyroid esp. All I can tell you is that the first few days were the worst of the worst exposures. Healthy athletic young men in service uniforms got heart attacks from breathing that. It was a toxic cocktail of over 900 deadly contaminants, some of the deadliest known, with particles finer than had ever been recorded in human history, and blew through all bodily defenses. If your pets were indoors, electricity off, was best (no circulating air), If you stayed, there’s a deadly organic mold that floated around Lower Manhattan (the blob), lots of buildings got it, which were recipients of 9too gross to talk about)… but this one reason why they brought down the BT building.

    UC Davis Dr. Cahill team that went down there (didn’t test for Depleted Uranium, stopped one Atomic Number short, darn)… but all symptoms began to look like Gulf War Syndrome, and in fact those veterans came down to help us… when they started hearing about it.

    The animals that first week 9/11 to 9/18 I can vouch for - we tried to take care of them since they were the only live things we found. We needed them as much as they needed us. The dogs just looked at us like “oh oh what have you humans gone and done now”. One just lay down and died right there. We IV’d cats and dogs - pets roaming around in shock… so many of my neighbors pets died soon after. The ground was saturated with crap, they were spraying for cholera for chrissakes down to Water street months afterwards. The dogs paws - they lick you know… we kept saying, get the children, pets and elderly the heck out of there, but the EPA refused to go along with speaking out…

    Collected some data re my neighbors who suffered from bleeding eyes, noses, pharyngeal sores, dental work falling out, hair falling out, skin rashes that were horrific, stomach and lung disorders, all the symptoms of radiation sickness - which UC DAvis said it could mimic, so many multiple toxic chemicals were involved. The cancers showed up early, 3-5 years, a lot of thyroid… of COURSE the press isn’t covering… the one UPI reporter I worked with was almost fired.

    Pets are small mammals, they go first. Humans can detox (like I did) because we sweat and the stored toxins can be gotten out of our cells through exercise and other agents, and then when they are dumped into the blood, using other agents to form large molecules to fool the liver to put them through the excrete cycle, rather than leaving in blood where they are quickly re-uptaked (to protect the CNS) and re-stored in tissues. Must be monitored and accompanied by sweating out (skin releases toxins quickly) or it can tax the liver and kidneys, but this is the best way to deep detox neurotoxins. Fur babies don’t sweat, so detoxing a pet is something for specialized holistic vets. Animals get some form of PTSD too, and that depresses their immune system.

    PS FWIW I called Kathleen Callahan - the EPA rep - Callahan the Taliban in a public November 2001 State Senate Hearing in LM - for finishing off what the terrorists started… there are names I do not forget…

  138. ann says:

    Its because of the flouride. Children under 6 are not supposed to have flouride

  139. Ruth says:

    To Itchmo, by P&G wanting you to remove the test result won’t change bloggers mind on IAM’s. I have had a feeling something has been wrong since my pet died. IAM’s can hide but can’t change how I feel.
    Shame on you IAM’s.

    On another note: I wrote Tyson foods concerning melamine in poultry. A response would be answered in 5 days. They didn’t waste any time, got and answer back today. I would laugh it off if I wasn’t so angry about this IAM’s test result. I will post it if any one wants to have a laugh.

    I also wrote Kellogg’s and Ceasar dog food. Finally got a B***S*** answer from them too.

  140. 5CatMom says:

    Beth,

    Funny you should mention Colgate toothpaste. I pulled out a new box of Colgate this morning and read on the box that it’s made in Mexico. Then I called Colgate and asked if any of the toothpaste ingredients come from China.

    The customer service representative didn’t know where their ingredients come from. She took my name and phone number, and said she’ll get the info and call me back.

    Also contacted Starkist Tuna and learned that my can of water packed tuna contains soy broth and was canned in American Samoa (some of their tuna is canned in Equador). I told the rep they should print on their label where the tuna is canned.

  141. Steve says:

    “On May 24, 2007, a United States federal court issued an order that, for the time being, prevents Menu Foods from having direct contact with individual U.S. pet owners. While we do not believe the prohibition extends to Canada, Menu Foods is reviewing how best we can be fair to both Canadian residents and U.S. residents, so that all of the claims of pet owners can be resolved. Until this review is complete, Menu Foods is not in a position to settle claims by Canadian pet owners. We will post additional information when our review is complete. ”

    Posted on their website within the last 2-3 hours.

    What the hell are they talking about? What court? Is this another Duane?
    Menu also said they we’re suing Chemnutra. What ever happened to that? Menu also said they are phasing out ingredients from China. Were expected to believe this?

  142. Amy says:

    SandiK - that makes me so sad because we all know there are so many homeless furballs who could use a loving mom like yourself. As someone who is currently caring my chronically ill kidney cat (thanks NB) I completely understand how you’re feeling but I know there will be more kitties in my life after my current two have passed. The sheer volume of love, laughter, and devotion they give to us far outweighs the pain of losing them. I hope you find the strength to bring another baby into your world; you clearly loved the one you lost and a new little fluffy butt might help to heal. With that said, if you do get a new kitty you might want to look into homecooking until this crisis has had some resolution… if it ever does. My kitties send their love to you - you need it!

  143. Amy says:

    Hey Helen - screw the wine, tonight I think I’ll be hitting the hard stuff; melatinis anyone?

    Maybe that’s China’s master plan? Kill our pets, we drink when we grieve, we all get cirrhosis of the liver and die. They take over our country.

  144. E. Hamilton says:

    So, Proctor and Gamble can move real farking fast when it suits them, huh?
    Just not real quick to react to dying pets, frantic owners and suffering on an epic scale for 10 weeks?
    You CANNOT trust any of them.

  145. ItchmoRocks says:

    Itchmo. Why did the report have to be removed? They called and asked the company to ask you to remove it? I just noticed that now. Don’t know when it happened, but dangnabbit. Hmmmm I smell a rat poison.

  146. k says:

    Debbie 4747, as far as I’m aware, China holds a lot of U.S. debt, and as a result is in a position to influence what the U.S. government might actually say about any number of issues related to China. China could also refuse to accept goods from any country that makes a stink about any of this stuff.

    I seem to recall that one of the reasons a lot of manufacturing jobs disappeared from North America is that a lot of companies that used to have factories in North America moved their operations to China because they could run their businesses at a far lower cost and with far fewer restrictions than they could here.

  147. Zoe says:

    “Phasing out” means they are going to continue to use ingredients from China.
    Who knows how long “phasing out” will take. Plus they probably have a ton of stuff from China that they want to use up.

  148. Joan says:

    UPDATE: The company that tested the food requested that we remove the image of the report from this post after being contacted by Proctor & Gamble, the parent company of Iams.

    THE FUR IS FLYING NOW

  149. Ruth says:

    Well IAM’s has until midnight Friday to be honest. Whatya think??? IAM’s how much longer are you going to string us along? Sure you blew the whistle on Menu Foods…blah…blah…. you say you have done your part but why not be completely honest….

    My pet died and you deny…..

  150. Lorie says:

    SandyK Said:

    I dont want to worry about it happening to another one, there is no way I could go thru that again and come out sane.

    Those were my exact words to a girlfriend of mine a week or 2 ago she said I was to dramatic go through what she said a pet dying, told me I needed to get a life. Needless to say I was totally offended and hurt. She has children and does not understand taht my cats are the only children I will ever have and I too could not bare the worry of this whole ordeal again waiting for their test results etc…..panicing everytime I go to feed them.

  151. Kiki says:

    Colgate says they do not import toothpaste from China well here are some of their plants in China: http:/www.mindbranch.com/prod-toc/Toothpaste-R263-26991
    READ ON….

    GONE!!!!! They took the info down… Did anyone save the website?

  152. Katie says:

    found this article on “KIDNEY DIETS”….might be useful for the lady looking for an alternative to the kidney diet suggested by her vet.

  153. ally says:

    It’s responses such as this update that ensure I will never buy a P&G product again. You may have forced Itch to remove the image but you can’t erase the minds of who saw it no matter how much you wish it so.

    Spread the word peoples. You know…..through the troublesome blogger pipeline? Don’t forget to alert your favorite journalists about this too. The truth is out there. ;-)

  154. slt says:

    Is Proctor & Gamble going to try and strongarm every lab in the country NOT to test their foods? Come on! Your lawyer scare tactics may work on some poor lab P & G but they won’t work on the pet owning public. Boycott!

  155. Leslie k says:

    I talked to a Nicole at Wellness today.Wanted to know if they could put on their website that the manufacturers they use have had no recalls. She said no, they use ANI for some of their dry food. She said they keep samples of all ingredients & of each batch & tested them. Everything on the shelves should be safe. When I asked why some other co’s have had cross contamination she said they run only their food for 18 hrs & have an employee there to make sure the machines are cleaned. Sounds good but isn’t that something we’ve heard before other recalls? I asked if they are looking for a new facility; & she said no.It’s a shame ,my dogs & cats liked their dry but I won’t be buying it again.

  156. slt says:

    ally - great minds think alike (and at exactly the same time, hehe)
    P & G - you can threaten but you can’t hide!

  157. Leslie k says:

    Forgot to add that Timberwolf did put something up. They say they used to use Diamond but switched. Nowhere does it say the new facility hasn’t had recalls. Guess that means Chenango. Cross off another food !

  158. Leslie k says:

    I also called Arm & Hammer about their toothpaste. They say it is made in the USA & all ingredients also. Anyone know anything different ?

  159. Cattle Dog says:

    Most pet food companies usually cannot list their ingredient sources because they constantly change due to price fluctuations. I used to work in a feed mill. They buy in whatever is cheapest at the time and so the “recipe” can change a little. That is why they just guarantee a minimum in most categories. I feed basically a raw diet - but at this time, I am glad that the only manufatured dry food that goes down my dogs throut is manufactured by Natura - EVO.

  160. Kiki says:

    BOYCOTT ALL THESE MULTI-NATIONALS - Those people will rot in hell for all the pain and suffering they have caused in the name of increasing margins.

    http://www.pandgkills.com/main.html

    Each year, thousands of animals die in Procter & Gamble laboratories — the victims of painful, archaic and entirely unnecessary product tests. Caustic chemicals are forced into the eyes of rabbits and applied to animals’ shaved and raw skin.

    Laboratory workers place the animals in restraining devices so they cannot struggle while the workers apply the chemicals, which burn into the animals’ eyes and skin. P&G “scientists” do not sedate the animals or give them pain killers.

    Animals sometimes break their necks or backs attempting to escape the pain. Those that survive are used in yet additional painful tests … until they are finally killed. The victims include rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters, ferrets and other animals.

    P&G refuses to stop testing its products on animals, despite the fact that these tests are not required by any law, and despite the fact that more reliable and humane alternatives do exist.

    Procter & Gamble spends millions of dollars to package itself as a responsible, caring company, and claims to be a leader in the development of alternatives to the use of animals in product testing.

    But P&G refuses to put its money where its mouth is. In 2004 alone, P&G spent $3 billion on advertising. This stands in stark contrast to the $64 million that P&G claims to have spent on developing alternatives over a 14-year period!

    Despite its repeated P.R. claims about being in the forefront of developing alternatives and reducing product testing on animals, P&G’s priorities seem clear: in less than 5 days, P&G spends more on advertising than it claims to have spent in 14 years on alternatives to painful and lethal animal tests.

    The fact is, P&G says one thing and does another. If they truly shared our goal of eliminating animal cruelty, P&G would not have lobbied to defeat a bill before the California legislature that would have banned the infamous Draize eye-irritancy test.

    In reality, P&G relies on these archaic tests strictly for its own protection from liability lawsuits. The truth is that P&G could stop animal testing today without hindering anyone’s safety. Until it stops its animal cruelty, the letters P&G will stand for nothing but Pain & Greed

  161. straybaby says:

    anna_2007,

    thank you for that info. I’m in Williamsburg and the only day that was *really* bad was the 13th. It was a nice day and I had left all my windows open (my kitchen windows look out to where the towers were). When i was taking the subway home that night, as we hit 23rd st, the subways started smelling and you could see the smoke. At 14th street it was bad when I got off to transfer. It was like they had just put out a rather large fire there. When I got home, I immediately noticed the smell in my apt. Within 30-45 minutes I couldn’t speak. Had lost my voice. My throat felt like I was breathing glass sand. I had baby saline solutions, so I flushed the cats eyes and noses. My LL told me the next day he had called the fire dept because so much smoke was in his apt and he couldn’t tell where it was coming from (he’s a retired nypd dective, not easily alarmed) 4 of my 7 cats have died. all within a year of each other from fall 2004 to fall 2005. One unknown (3yrs old), one possible embolism (10yrs old) and the 2 seniors who were never sick a day in their lives at 18.5 yrs (I really thought they would hit the 20yr mark when they turned 18. They literally looked about 8-10yrs old). One from suspected Bladder Cancer and the other from Lymphoma. I suspect (believe) it may have been fate, but there’s that little bit of doubt (especially the embolism) as I still have 3 pre 911 cats. My dog and 2 younger cats are thankfully post 911 babies. Now, as long as the (human) food doesn’t kill them . . .

  162. DMS says:

    re: Furmom, If I were a really cynical person, I might look at all these events and think, what would I

    Now extrapolate that to the FDA/USDA and human food. I think this whole picture is slowly coming into focus. We are eating the evidence as well as our pets.

  163. Kiki says:

    BOYCOTT P&G FOREVER - THESE PEOPLE WILL ROT IN HELL.

    Oral Statement Presented at Procter & Gamble Shareholders’ Meeting
    October 10, 2000

    My name is Bill Lauterwasser and I am speaking on behalf of shareholder Tim Huesken as well as the national organization In Defense of Animals, also a shareholder in Procter and Gamble. I would like to take this opportunity to remind you about another side of P&G’s business. Every year, thousands of rabbits, ferrets, Guinea pigs, hamsters, rats and mice are killed to test cosmetic and household products. P&G engages in these tests despite the fact that they are not required by law and despite the fact that more reliable and humane alternatives do exist.

    Chemicals are placed into the eyes of conscious rabbits. Rabbits are placed in stocks from which only their heads protrude so that they cannot dislodge the substance with their paws. Rabbits have no tear ducts to clean the irritants away and plastic clips are attached to their eyelids so they cannot blink their eyes for relief. The rabbits often scream when the substance is applied and sometimes break their neck or back in an effort to escape the pain. Often they receive no anesthesia during these tests.

    Reactions to the substances include swollen eyelids, inflamed irises, ulceration, bleeding and blindness. When the test is finished the animals are killed or “recycled”: for future tests such as skin irritancy tests.

    Skin irritancy tests are conducted on rabbits, guinea pigs and other animals and involve placing chemicals on the animals’ raw shaved skin and covering the skin with adhesive plaster. The animals are kept immobilized in restraining devices to prevent them from struggling while laboratory workers apply the chemicals which burns the animals’ skin.

    These are just two of the tests conducted that are not required by law.

    In 1999, Procter & Gamble announced that they would halt animal testing on its current products. What they downplayed, however, was the fact that testing would continue on “new-to-the-world” products and products whose ingredients are changed or altered. P&G states on their website that the “new to the world” products are expanding rapidly. This means thousands of animals continue to die in Procter & Gamble laboratories — the victims of painful, archaic and entirely unnecessary product tests.

    Procter & Gamble spends millions of dollars to package itself as a responsible, caring company, and claims to be a leader in the development of alternatives to the use of animals in product testing. But in less than 5 days, P&G spends more on advertising than it claims to have spent in 14 years on alternatives to painful and lethal animal tests.

    We feel you as shareholders should be aware of this cruel and inhumane aspect of P&G and of the fact that an alliance of animal protection organizations around the world have joined the global campaign against P&G’s continued abuse of animals. We urge you as shareholders to do what you can to influence P&G to stop the suffering and killing of innocent
    animals and join the hundreds of cruelty-free companies, including corporate giants as Revlon and Avon, who no longer test on animals.

    Please call P&G’s CEO and let him know you want the suffering and killing to stop.

    Thank you.

  164. Janet says:

    Helen Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
    Has anyone had a pet eat DRY food and immediately die? Seems like immediate death is more common with the canned food, and longer wasting illness with the dry, based on reports I have been reading. If the dry food poisoning is slow, it is then harder to recognize, and therefore companies have been “getting away with” not recalling it. My cat’s dry food illness was slow in progression and she recovered when the food was removed. Anyone?

    Helen,
    This is a great observation. I believe my cat suffered acute renal problems from eating a non-recalled product containing rice gluten.
    I have since taken her off that wet food but she has continued to eat the dry food she craves. Little improvement in her condition and I’ve been suspicious of the effects the dry food is having on her .
    I have yanked her dry food, as of today, and we’ll see if she begins to improve.

  165. straybaby says:

    Leslie k,

    I checked them out as they make oxi-clean. everything i could find said they were a US corp not owned by one of the other biggies. I forgot to check where things were made though. I was in my Boycott the P&G’s etc. mode and I was focused on that.

  166. kim says:

    Helen - I replied to your posts about quick illnesses from dry food, and included a bunch of links to other itchmo comments. It appears to be temporarily lost in the spam filter, if it doesn’t post by tonight email me.

    I didn’t think to copy it so will have to re-create it. Basically, yes, most dry food illnesses seem to take longer based on the reports I’ve read online, but, I have read quite a few that got sick within a day or two or week.

  167. Gail B says:

    Anybody out there actually save the copy of the report to your computer? email it to 5 friends and ask them to email it to 5 more. Better yet, also email it to 5 journalists.

  168. Jenny says:

    Wellness did finally update their web page regarding melamine testing - no mention of cynuric acid though.
    http://www.omhpet.com/wellness.....sophy.html

  169. Ruth says:

    To Lorie: don’t feel bad about your friend with children. Your pets are your life. Any yeah its hurtful to people who have furbabies. People need to be more aware that its slowly coming into our food but they are clueless and only think its only a pet food problem. Sad…

    My little pet dog died in March but its not getting any better and I won’t feel any better until IAM’s owns up. My pet was my life. And much more.

    I also panic everytime I feed my daughter’s pets. Not knowing if its safe or not. I worry more than she does.

  170. ally says:

    slt Says: at 7:51 pm

    Too bizarre slt! :D

  171. straybaby says:

    “In response, Iams says they are “fully confident” that no cyanuric acid or melamine entered their products. ”

    prove it. say what you know and how you know it.

  172. Kiki says:

    FIND OUT WHAT PRODUCTS ARE DOING GREAT - SO YOU CAN BOYCOTT THEM - (YES TOOTHPASTE FROM CHINA IS UP!!)

    Procter & Gamble F3Q07 (Qtr End 3/31/07) Earnings Call Transcript
    Posted on May 1st, 2007 with stocks: PG

    http://retail.seekingalpha.com/article/34126

  173. Steve says:

    I think the Pet Food Industry is still lying out of their as*es. They were lying before this recall, tried to cover it up. And are still lying and trying to cover up IMO.

  174. Dogster For The Love of Dog Blog » Archive » Itchmo Looking for Verification on Cyanuric Acid in Unrecalled Iams Large Breed Dry Dog Food says:

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  175. Debbie4747 says:

    ann Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
    Its because of the flouride. Children under 6 are not supposed to have flouride
    ****
    Thanks Ann…I was almost afraid to brush!

    ++++++++

    k Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
    Debbie 4747, as far as I’m aware, China holds a lot of U.S. debt, and as a result is in a position to influence what the U.S. government might actually say about any number of issues related to China. China could also refuse to accept goods from any country that makes a stink about any of this stuff.

    I seem to recall that one of the reasons a lot of manufacturing jobs disappeared from North America is that a lot of companies that used to have factories in North America moved their operations to China because they could run their businesses at a far lower cost and with far fewer restrictions than they could here.

    *****
    K, I know we have a very large outstanding debt to China, and alot of our jobs have gone there and elsewhere. Corporate greed from the idiots in charge here. However, we as the consumers have to let both Corporate heads and government here as well as those in China that we no longer want what we’re getting. And to me, that remark did sound like a thread which infuriates me even more. After all, we, the consumers did not ask China for this loan, we did not send all the jobs over there, and who says these large coprorations need such huge profits. Can’t good profits suffice? Say if a can of cat food costs $ .25 to manufacture here with good ingredients. We buy it for $ .50. The way these pet food companies are doing it is putting in crap costing them $ .10 a can and still selling it for $ .50 as this is what we agree to pay. Do they really have to make such a huge profit? The number I quote are of course inaccurate, just making a point. Can’t these people be happy with two billion in profit? Do they really need ten? Greed, just greed and now we’re finding out just how bad our food chain really is. Looks like things will be increasingly more interesting from now on. I just wish everything would improve 100% and we could go back to just buying food with confidence that it will be of good quality. Fingers crossed.

  176. ally says:

    If anyone has a screen grab of that report please send it with a link to Itchmo’s blog entry and note to these journalists:

    David Barboza - NY Times
    Abigail Goldman - LA Times
    Karen Roebuck - Pittsburgh Tribune

    These three have done a stellar job getting the word out about this recall. If anyone knows the USA Today journalist’s name please add it as well.

  177. JJ says:

    Chuck you list very good points that people should consider before asking the same questions about the same companies as if by some miracle they will make food that wont kill your pet. Anybody that is willing to trust these pet food companies again will eventually end up with a very sick or dead pet. Do you think for one minute they will spend any money on the food so you’ll “think it’s safe?” There are still recalling it instead of pulling it all off the shelves at once. I was in Jewel grocery store today and there are recalled food still on the shelves! I think people hope there will be an easy and least expensive way out of this. There won’t. You have two choices - either make home cooked or buy organic pet food. Natura is testing and give 100% guarantee that the food is not contaminated or tainted. Also they are buying their own plant to be able to monitor their food along with test it all the time. Pet lovers you know of any other companies that do this? If so let us know and we will have more than once choice of safe food. Until then stop asking is this safe, is that safe, etc. Read what other people have listed in the forums on here with their experiences and draw your own conclusions as to what to feed and if you feel its safe then use it.

  178. Gail B says:

    Link to Global List of P&G products
    http://tinyurl.com/bz8kp

  179. cheetah-dog says:

    I have never dyed my hair, will brush my teeth with Arm & Hammer and totally discontinue using makeup. I only wear Mascara but I would suppose that it is from China as well. I use a completely sulfite free shampoo from Mastey. I have only used Ivory bar soap for the last 15 years (I have soft water).

    Have gone on a gluten-free diet for myself (corn meal is allowed) so am putting my dog on Kumpi which is gluten-free for dogs. I am returning my multi-vitamins just received from Andrew Lessman.

    Can NOT go to my favorite Chinese Seafood Restaurant or Vietnamese Noodle restaurant. No more chicken from Costco. Must now shop at neighborhood farmers market. Do I need to worry about bottled water??

    THIS is insane!

  180. straybaby says:

    here ya go ally:

    By Elizabeth Weise and Julie Schmit, USA TODAY

  181. ally says:

    stray - you ROCK.
    Thank you!

  182. Katie says:

    I went to the P&G website and sent them an email with my 2 cents about how they are handling this petfood situation. All of us concerned pet owners should email them and let them know exactly how many of us care about this issue. Apparently they think there are only “2.3″ of us concerned pet owners out here, monitoring and researching the food issues, and that we only have an IQ of 12 between us.

    Oh, and I guess that means they don’t realize we are the folks who buy all those other products they make and sell? guess they are a little
    s l o w at P & G :-)

    VOTE WITH YOUR MONEY!!!!

  183. Lorie says:

    cheetah-dog

    Is there something wrong with Costco Chicken? or just mela chicken in general

  184. Steve says:

    Oh without a doubt they have convinced themselves that the only people complaining about this are the PC and Itch bloggers.

    Are they ever in for a rude awakening.

  185. Helen says:

    Debbie 4747: Swallowing any toothpaste that contains fluoride is dangerous, and if a large amount is swallowed, poison control should always be contacted even if made in USA.

  186. cheetah-dog says:

    Lorie:

    I just do not know what these chickens have been fed!!

  187. ann says:

    What labs are people using for pet food testing? I want to check my food for my own piece of mind. If those of us who tested our pet food compiled a database, a lot of us would feel alot better.

  188. Kiki says:

    P&g TRANSCRIPT snippets: These #$%^& are in with China - deep!!!!

    -We also made a very concerted effort to focus on China because if you put the US and China together, you have got over a third of the volume of Oral Care in the world. So instead of chasing 100 markets, which we would not have the capability to do, we focus on a couple. We are actually focusing on ten. In China we have the leading brand. We’re growing from strength to strength. We have very strong equity.

    -We have got a $3 billion business in China, almost $1 billion business on hair alone. We’re growing at a good rate, but some of our competitors are growing off much, much, much smaller business bases. The kind of bases we had five, six, seven years ago. So you’re going to get a higher growth rate.

    -We’re heading for $1 billion in Hair Care sales in China. Growing high singles or double-digit every period with higher than a 50 share in the Shampoo segment, which is far and away the biggest and still growing our share there.

    -So I feel pretty good about our developing market position. I think you saw an announcement where we’re going to put Asia together so we can drive some real learning and synergy across the Asian markets and grow even faster there because Asia and Central and Eastern Europe, Middle East are going to be the real developing marketing engines of growth.

    -Our focus in the Beauty Care business is on Skin Care and Hair Care. Our Skin Care business is strong by any stretch, even with the SK-II issue in China this year, which has clearly been a drag; a full point last quarter, a point on the Beauty Care line this quarter. We will come all the way back from that.

    -You asked about China. In Blades and Razors I think we’ve added about 70,000 new stores to direct coverage through our distributors. This is almost a 50% increase. Our Gillette System Razor share was up almost 6 points in the quarter.

    -developing markets are an engine of growth and are going to continue to be an engine of growth. Yes, we had a very good quarter, pretty strong double-digit growth across the developing market. We are building off a pretty big base now. If you think of our base, it is roughly 27% of company sales, give or take, on a $76 billion business, that is $20 billion. $20.5 billion roughly. So this is a big base.

  189. Sharon says:

    re Jody’s post at 3:38 pm - I’m not much help since I just have a CRF kitty (my third) so I surely hope some doggie folks can, but long ago I did the same thing when faced with the putrid ingredients in the “kidney diets” the vets were pimping. I picked the Purina NF because it seemed the least objectionable. And because the Hills dry had ethoxyquin in it. Paid chunks of money for the NF, too. My older CRF kitty wouldn’t eat it and my present one, age 15, won’t. I tried it once for a few days to shut them up. She doesn’t consider corn cobs and by-products cat food. My best advice is, don’t listen to them, and that’s what I’ve told everyone about the kidney RX diets for years. Understand this is my OWN take. And understand they will still be trying to force it on you 5 years down the road, while (I pray) your baby is stable on good quality low-phosphorus food. Mine was. And in spite of my researching and choosing my older one’s diet myself, and as well as she did for years on it, I was still “wrong”. Low protein may work better for dogs than it does for cats (it just makes cats anemic so they can require some dangerous drug for that) so if you do some research into the protein content AND phosphorus content of good foods - by weight in dry foods and by dry matter weight in wet foods, you’ll find something she likes and can have.

    What I’m saying is that you’ll need to do the work yourself when what the vets “offer” is unacceptable, but many of us moms of CRF patients already were, and certainly more are now. There’s tons of good info out there, and I see someone referred you to the CRF group for dogs - great! - so try not to worry till you get a handle on it, and good luck!

  190. Mary says:

    Here’s a site with more information about management of kidney disease: “Kidney Disease in Dogs website: symptoms, diagnosis, treatment,
    management (medical and dietary), recipes, breed specific renal
    diseases, genetics, current research, bibliography and abstracts
    http://www.geocities.com/jjfleisher/ or
    http://vetprof.com/clientinfo/KidneyDiseaseInDogs/ (different
    format)

  191. ally says:

    Think maybe all P&G television commercials should feature “Bad to the Bone” as their background music?

  192. Ruth says:

    “They also defended their “exceptional response” to handling customer complaints.” This was IAM’s talking.
    Does anyone know what they mean by “exceptional response”?
    I didn’t get that feeling when I called and called. IMO…. they were condescending when I asked if and how they tested the dry food since my pet died from what I believe was their food….how about that….

    Their response to Itchmo’s blog proves it…

  193. JJ says:

    WE are starting to make a difference if P&G wanted the picture of the report taken off Itchmo! What no one would know they make Iams and Eukanuba? So many of pet lovers in the forums have stated they are going back to cooking for themselves and their pets that pet food sales must be dramatically down. After this latest report on the Cyanuric acid just proves that you cannot trust any of these companies/corporations to tell the truth. Keep talking with your wallets and pocketbooks and change will take place as other companies see we mean business by not accepting this anymore-the adulteration of our food and our pets too. Those USA companies that would like our business will go out of their way to make sure the food is safe and wholesome without having greed enter the picture. COOL will have to happen for all of us.

  194. Gail B says:

    I emailed the journalists below:

    David Barboza - NY Times
    Abigail Goldman - LA Times
    Karen Roebuck - Pittsburgh Tribune

    but couldn’t find a way to contact
    Elizabeth Weise and Julie Schmit at USA TODAY directly.

  195. Lorie says:

    Geez I just read the list at P&G list my household uses :

    Cascade, Bounce, Cover Girl, Crest, Dawn, Febreeze, Folgers, Gillette, Herbal Essence, Max Factor, Olay, Puffs, Scope, Secret, Swiffer, and Tide.

    Eukanuba and IAMS use to be used also but have been removed.

    I can remove probably half the others but it is just like Menu if I quit using Tide and to my second choice Cheer it is still P&G. What a mess

  196. Lorie says:

    oh crap they also own Vicks, Nyquil laced with anti-freeze anyone?

    So that plus Bounty paper towels makes 19, at leat TP wise I am safe hate Charmin . LOL

  197. Marcia says:

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!! I was feeding Iams dry late last year and my two dogs became ill with the exact symptoms we were seeing in March. The vet could not figure out what was wrong. Thankfully, they recovered. You have been so wonderful throughout this whole ordeal by providing support and exceptional information. Every pet owner in this country owes you a debt of gratitude!

  198. ally says:

    *memo to self: replace the following on future shopping lists:

    Tide
    Crest
    Dawn
    Febreeze
    Swiffer
    Secret
    Olay

    Thanks Lorie for posting your list. I had no idea I was buying so much from P & G. It’s a long list to replace but where there’s a will, there’s a way.

  199. ally says:

    Gail - many thanks to you as well for being so proactive!

  200. straybaby says:

    Lori,

    see if arm and hammer has a detergent you like. I use *green* detergents which i find fine for everyday use. if my clothes are particularly dirty ( meat guts on my shirt!) i do an oxy-clean prewash.

  201. Steve says:

    P&G has de-evolved apparently into your typical cannibalistic global monstrosity like all the rest of these former home grown U.S. Corporations who have gone “global”. These guys won’t quit until they’ve devoured every last living thing on the planet for personal profit. These outfits have become the modern day barbarians.

  202. Beth says:

    I have the Itchmo article with the Iams test results on an email. I can forward this to anyone that wants it. Just send me your email address
    Beth (welshdog@fuse.net)

  203. kellie says:

    wow,
    i missed alot today i see.
    i also see alot of new names in the comments sections of todays articles.

    great to see more people speaking out or becoming aware.

    If the companies won’t man up and admit poison maybe we can stir up enough interest in NON RECALLED questionable foods and keep more owners aware and save more pets from illness and death.

    once again GREAT JOB ITCHMO.

  204. Helen says:

    JJ: Kumpi has backtested production samples for melamine (all clear) and testing every batch before shipping out. Email Evy and ask about cyanuric acid, she will respond. Natura and Kumpi are the only two companies I know of that are doing this so far.

  205. Donna says:

    Regarding testing of product, keep in mind that any time you are dealing with a product where the package has been opened, it creates certain loopholes legally.

    Obviously to get dry food, you have to open the package. However, in court attorneys will say as soon as the package is opened, someone could have tampered with it.

    They can only “allege” it is a certain product if the packaging is opened.

  206. Ruth says:

    Just look in the Sunday paper and you will see all the ads of price cuts on pet foods and some are even giving away can food with dry food purchase.
    And a month ago the pet food companies were giving away coupons for free food and $ off coupons. Trying to buy is off.

    We want safe food not you buying us off. These companies need to be hurt in the pocket book for their greed in poisoning our pets.

    Why did P& G want the test result off? What are you so afraid of? Maybe the truth….oooh…. to late…. you dragged your corporate feet deeper into the ground… you can fool people some of the time but not all the time….and you have lost our trust in your products.

  207. Moony says:

    Shouldn’t Itchmo be able to show the reporters the report if the reporters ask? Or at least be able to do an article about the strongarm tactics P&G used to get it taken down?

  208. Donna says:

    Let’s also keep in our thoughts the companies/labs who are testing the pet foods. I have personally dealt with AccuTrace and they have been very, very helpful. I am certain all of them are doing a good job.

    However, as we have seen in this instance, a corporate giant is going to exert pressure for no public view of any documents. Unless a lab opens the package, they cannot state with 100% certainty of the brand.

  209. straybaby says:

    seems to me it could be a problem for itchmo if the test was passed around and published with out being able to verify a sample from a sealed product.

    not to defend PG or Iams, but with their problems in the past with Peta, it might be better to find another bag from that batch or a patch close in sequence/from the same plant around the same time. It would be ideal if PG would just PROVE one way or the other their product safety. Words don’t mean jack these days.

  210. DMS says:

    The way the FDA/USDA/Big Business is handling this reminds me of one of the original Saturday Night Live skits where they were parodying a TV commercial for a multi-purpose floor cleaner called “Sparkle” or “Shine” something. The actors were shown cleaning the floor with it, saying I can mop the floor with it, I use it as a dessert topping, etc. etc.

    And now melamine: It’s an industrial plasticizer, and a seed coat, and a fertilizer, and a livestock feed component, and a USDA approved food additive.

    Or aminopterin: It’s a cancer drug, and a genetic marker in GMO crops, and a rat poison, and an ingredient in pet food, and currently being evaluated for safety as a human food additive.

    Cyanuric acid: I use it to stablize the chlorine levels in the pool, I cook with it–you see where I am going here. Fact is stranger than fiction–and reality 2007 is more bizarre than drug- influenced 1970 or 1980 comedies. God help us!
    Unconsionable Stamp of Diluted Aggregates!

  211. pam says:

    fyi: national class action lawsuit…basing it on fraud. www.mflegal.com/petfoodlawsuit

  212. Steve says:

    Whats next in this most favored nation trading game. China will say Iowa added melamine to their soybean shipments?

  213. Helen says:

    Kim, looks like it hasn’t appeared yet. I will go check your site for comment links.

    Amy, good thing we had our fun last night isn’t it? Make mine a chocolate melatini.

  214. Trudy Jackson says:

    I am just in shock, again! So, does this mean that oil of Olay, And My wonderful folgers coffe is made in China? I will change all of this if it is. I’s hard to take this all in. And Tide too? So many things i use, but won’t if it’s made in china. Is that what it means?
    I will stop everything made in china, especially for the cats I lost.
    And on our nightly news, they said the bigest buyer of food and other things from China was Walmart.
    I always thought coffee was from Brazil or columbia?

  215. Kim says:

    OOPs, I never posted this. Wrote it a couple of hours ago and left it open in my browser…

    Furmom - Looks like I’m a very cynical person too. ::sigh::

    # Helen Says:
    May 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
    Has anyone had a pet eat DRY food and immediately die? Seems like immediate death is more common with the canned food, and longer wasting illness with the dry, based on reports I have been reading. If the dry food poisoning is slow, it is then harder to recognize, and therefore companies have been “getting away with” not recalling it. My cat’s dry food illness was slow in progression and she recovered when the food was removed. Anyone?

    Response: Many (most?) of the cases I’ve read bear this out, however I have seen exceptions. Here are a few that point to sudden illness - see links -
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/vol.....mment-6078
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....omment-488
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-7365
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-2583
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-2070

    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-7316
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....omment-599
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-1248

    # Helen Says:
    May 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pm

    Also, as I have been reading all this time, as months went by, newer bags seem to have been faster acting, e.g. pet ate bag bought in April and got sick quickly, vs. pet ate food from bag bought in January got sick more slowly. Are we just on alert to notice right away, or is the new food worse than food from earlier months. Anyone?

    This one I’m not as sure about. I’ve read lots of posts like “gave them a food from a brand new bag and they threw up”, from more recent purchases.

  216. Trudy Jackson says:

    Darn computer is doing strange things.
    Are You sure We’re not dealing with terrorism?
    I’m so upset. It’s all unbelieveable.

  217. Helen says:

    Trudy Jackson, people are talking about boycotting Proctor and Gamble regardless of where these items are made. Don’t know which are made in China. Many of those items I don’t use because they made me itch.

  218. Trudy Jackson says:

    Then I will boycott P&G. No problem. I know they do some horrible testing on animals anyway. And I just found out Tide has fiberglass in it.

  219. JJ says:

    Helen glad you posted Kumpi and now with that company and Natura we have 2 that test, test, and test for anything in their food before putting it on the shelves. www.naturapet.com Sorry do not have the web site for Kumpi maybe Helen can post it so people can check out these two places for pet food.

  220. Helen says:

    Kim, Wow, thank you.
    I am not ready to call every vomit case poison yet. Lots of vomiting from sudden food change, but I do AGREE that immediately stopping a food that caused vomit is a GOOD IDEA. I know that right before the recalls, I was thinking maybe I should switch my cat to senior formula of Nutro since my cat seemed to be having old lady issues. She had been picking at the months old bag of food and getting slowly more ill. When I opened that bag of Nutro senior, same shape, same color, same flavor, (to me) same smell, she would not eat one bite of it. Not one. Recalls begin. I thump myself hard on the head and take her off the Nutro altogether. I am very much afraid that if she had eaten that new bag of senior she would have been seriously ill in a hurry. I have said before, I am sure she could smell and taste the problem, and it was clearly worse in the new bag bought in March because she wouldn’t go near it.

  221. Lorie says:

    I have nothing pressing to get home to tomorrow night. I am going to stop off at a few grocery stores and Petsmart on the way home determined to find a bag of tath IAMS.

    So if I do send in my FF wet, that is not opened and the opens it and tests it is that good enough PROOF or not, very confused at what flies and what doesn’t too many loop holes to protect the crooks. IMO

  222. martin says:

    Boy,

    Last night was sure a lot more fun than tonight!!!

    Donna,

    You mentioned:
    Unless a lab opens the package, they cannot state with 100% certainty of the brand.

    That is true. How can anyone be 100% certian unless they find an un-opened bag. I remember seeing the product and number was provided by the person who sent it. Itchmo said it was an opened bag.

    The only way to prove if this is valid is FIND A SEALED BAG. I think what the lab got was tested and the acid was there. But there is still the case of the open bag.??

    We have got to find the same bag & #to see if the stuff was tainted with or not.

  223. kellie says:

    i see alot of ppl freaking over China products, even coffee.
    Trudy, i don’t think the coffee is grown there. most likely shipped there for cheaper processing and packaging.

    That’s not to say it doesn’t get contaminated in china.
    Thing you have to realize is China is the highest population in the world. They do not have all the land or climate to grow everything from coffee to all other crops.

    Yes some is grown there but most stuff is shipped there to be processed only. because it’s way cheaper. even US grown stuff is sent there, packaged, then returned.

    These companies AND THE U.S. consumers are gonna have to make tough choices.
    Do the companies want to bite the bullet and open or RE-OPEN U.S. packaging and processing facilities and do the american buyers want to pay more for these products.
    I for one would pay a little more especially if it goes to pay AMERICAN workers a decent living.
    Sadly most people dont think this way tho, certainly big buisness doesnt.

    Speak up. write the companies, post blogs, get awareness out there and tell people if they want quality products th

  224. JJ says:

    Trudy where did you find that out about the fiberglass in Tide? And like you I also thought most of the coffee was grown in Brazil or Columbia? I’ve been drinking Folger’s since 1970 and until reading on here what P&G does to animals had no clue. It made me sick in my heart. Iams should not be left out of the how they do their testing either. I couldn’t read the whole thing as to what they do to the poor, helpless, defenseless lil fur babies. One thing was they cut away part of the skin exposing the muscles-gawd they have no souls and no feelings.

  225. kellie says:

    *continued*

    tell people if they want quality products that they arent going to get a can of cat food for 30 cents anymore or a tube of toothpaste for 2 bux if they want CHINA out of the middle man buisness.

  226. Trudy Jackson says:

    My husband, by mistake, bought a bag of Beneful for our 4 dogs. None of the dogs would eat it. Has this ever been tested by anyone? I took it right away from them. And our dogs love food!

  227. straybaby says:

    “And I just found out Tide has fiberglass in it.”

    Trudy, where did you find this info?! OY!

  228. kellie says:

    there is a beneful thread in the forums trudy

  229. Amy says:

    Hey Lorie - you have an email on testing waiting for you at work tomorrow morning (my friend sent lots of detail - she rocks!)

  230. Helen says:

    EEEK! Trudy Jackson, I have read so many horror stories naming Beneful, so glad for you they refused to eat it!!!

  231. kellie says:

    WALMART has a big post on thier store events homepage saying how they are proud to start carrying IAMS and have 2 NEW IAMS brands coming in june2007, they even offer free samples.

    Anyone wanting to get free samples and have it tested would be a good idea.

  232. E. Hamilton says:

    http://www.care2.com/polling/vote/188

    Looks like the aspca wants to know.

  233. Amy says:

    Helen - no fun tonight. I think Elliott must be hoarding the tequila to herself after today’s news.

  234. Kim says:

    Trudy - TONS of horror stories about Beneful. Doggybling is spearheading an effort to get it recalled. Look here:

    http://www.doggybling.com/newsarticle.php?id=1099

  235. Trudy Jackson says:

    First, I heard about tide from My daughter. It makes Her husband itch.
    So, I mentioned it to a girlfriend, because I have always used it, and she said- Oh, i always knew it had fiberglass in it. I’ll call them tomorrow to make sure. i’ll let You all know, but 2 people saying the same thing amazed Me. And yes, P&G did useless tests on the animals. not for meds or anything very important.

  236. Rose says:

    Hello Itchmo, thank you for your service. We are so grateful for your regular updates. My son’s 2 Shitzu’s died of kidney failure. The 5 year old in February ( when there was nothing known about contaminated food), the 13 month old in March. Both dogs were on Iams food.
    Ever since I found your website I am receiving your e-mail. My dog was on “Natural Balance Veal and Brown Rice”. I phoned the store who sold it and they did not even know about the recall. They returned my call 30 minutes later to let me know, that I was right and to return the food for a credit. I live in Western Canada and our vet told us, there were no cases of animal problems related to food. What a lie. We changed vets and found out that there were a few dead dogs and cats in our town
    I don’t know, why a vet is trying to cover up the problem.

    Keep up the good work you are doing.

  237. martin says:

    Just got the email from the FDA regarding Monkfish:

    FDA Warning on Mislabeled Monkfish
    Fish Believed to be Puffer Fish; Contains Deadly Toxin

    They are trying to kill all of us in one form or another.

  238. Helen says:

    Amy, Martin, Last night I couldn’t sleep because I was laughing too hard. Tonight it will be back to can’t sleep because I am too mad and scared. Sigh. And tomorrow is of course fatal food friday again. Which ones…which ones will it be….?

  239. JanC says:

    Hey Kim: Thanks for responding to Trudy about Beneful……you beat me to it. Great minds think alike *as I pass a bottle to Kim*…….hope you have limes…….haven’t got too many tonight. Knew this was going to be an a**-kicking week & it’s not over yet…..

  240. Janet says:

    I do hope someone finds an unopened bag.

  241. Helen says:

    Yikes!
    Kim, one of those posts said a cat died immediately after eating the very dry formula senior Nutro my cat refused! I have been watching carefully about comments on Nutro and missed that one! Thank you again for the links. I CAN’T BELIEVE I USED TO FEED HER NUTRO! >:{

  242. dazzled_1 says:

    BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE SAID THIS SINCE THE NAFTA AGREEMENT…… Nothing is safe coming from another country because they dont have the safety laws in place that we do in America.

    As far as toothpast…. mix a paste out of baking soda and peroxide for white teeth and germ killer.

    As far as store bought pet foods…..I cant believe any of you still buy them or trust them. Home cooking is too easy and healthier!

    My dog had eaten Pedigree dry food for 6 years… this year he almost died from kidney failure.. He had blood coming out every oriface and IT STILL IS NOT ON RECALL.

    As far as human food is concerned….why do we need to import fish or for that matter corn, wheat, meat…..any food? American farmers and fishers are perfectly capable of supplying the American people with all of this.

    WAKE UP AMERICANS…. WE ARE BEING POISENED

  243. Steve says:

    Oh I forgot I went to the hardware store to pick up a few things. About 10 made in China labels later I just threw up my hands in disgust and left.

  244. kellie says:

    dazzeled read my post.
    its not jus chinese grown crops or caught fish its also AMERICAN COMPANIES sending their stuff to china to be processed and packaged and then it comes back here for the store shelves.

  245. Julia says:

    For those of you wanting to get rid of P&G products, it’s really not that difficult. I’ve done it a long time ago as I am opposed to animal testing. There’s a lot of alternative, cruelty-free and eco friendly products out there. If you’re looking for an every day cleaning items like a dish-washing detergent, laundry detergent or all-purpose cleaner, try Seventh Generation or Ecover. Jason or Tom’s of Maine (although keep in mind that Colgate-Palmolive is Tom’s parent company) are great if you’re looking for toothpaste. I use Revlon and Avon for make-up. There are really tons of good companies out there and we need to support them. I said goodbye to P&G (and others) long time ago and never looked back :-)

  246. Judy Boone says:

    Thank heavens for ITCMO !! and the many bloggers. I too am a “paranoid pet parent” wonder why any pet parent would be paranoid—-
    ?? see Menu–Procter/Gamble–Iams–and ALL the other murders that sell us food that kills , an ineffectual FDA and evidently a gov. that couldn’t care less –all the companies have one goal $$$$$$ while we are sold out to China or any country that can help the greedy ba—-ds make mega bucks these companies have starved out the farmers and factory workers while endangering every living thing you are “lucky” to even find a person you can understand when you finaly reach a real person with your complaints /questions and you can rest assured -if the info. is adverse you will not get it!

  247. YaYa says:

    LorieVA, I have a Witness to every thing about the foods I’ve saved.
    The opened ones, per FDA’s instrutions to me- in the Deep Freezer- with caps on them; wrapped and in heavy zip-loc bags.
    I also have the remains of my Imas hairball care Dry sealed as well. {also have plenty of the same canned foods unopened yet as well}
    I guess I was lucky to suspect FOOD and Stop. And SAVED the remains. That was Before the Recall too.

    Just keep safe what you might still have. Don’t toss anything Out.

    Might help to just give a call to one of the Legal Firms, {involved in the Suits}
    and ask a “basic” question about Remaining foods being used in the future and whether it might be Legit. {even tho you may not {yet} be involved in a Suit.} Ask them for advice on evidence you have that MIGHT be used. See what they think.

    This whole Issue is setting Precedents. So I’d not be discouraged, by existing laws that seem to lean against us.
    IF we can find the same bags/cans on shelves and can purchase them for Future use, then let’s Go for It!

    {P.S. And to: TERI, Teri I hope they did not give ya’ll too much BS :-P Talk with Ya soon!}

  248. Lorie says:

    Amy,

    Thanks for the getting your friend to send me the info, can’t wait to see it tomorrow.

    Also does anyone know if P&G has a deal with COSTCO almost all the brands I listed above I use because I can buy them in BULK at COSTCO?

  249. dazzled_1 says:

    Janc and Kim

    Is your tequila made in Mexico? and are your limes from China?

  250. Marcia says:

    I realize California Natural is considered one of the “better” foeds out there, but my “kids” had terribly loose stools and were drinking a lot of water after eating it. I went back to Canidae (which I switched to during this horrible crisis), even though they don’t care for it as much and everything is “normal” again. They seem like a good company but perhaps something happened that they were not aware of - or perhaps my “kids” just couldn’t tolerate it for some reason; but I am curious if anyone else had any kind of adverse reaction to California Natural?

  251. jody says:

    Hi everyone,

    I am just really touched by everyone helping me with my Kidney problem with my dog. Her name is Killian. I just want the very best and I do not want her to leave me. Not this way.

    So thank you to everyone for helping me.

    Jody

  252. kellie says:

    marcia, maybe it was the higher protein. the protein varies from flavore with CN. i had 2 cat food dry samples and the protein percentage was almost 10% difference between the chix and fish flavors.

    My cats like the chix and havent had any reaction to it so far.

  253. Lorie says:

    Julia,

    Thanks for the advice, Make-up is easy to switch brands LOL Iusually by what is on sale……………..I just can’t believe it is CG and MF UGH. both my fav mascaras Coffee is back to Maxwell House, I use Colgate toothpaste it is my husband who will only use Tide, Crest, and Bounce. Has a very hard time with change, but I am the guilty one with the oil of olay soap fetish he only will use Dove. I personally like Cheer over Tide but its PG also. Talk about cornering the market. Funny how we all have our quirks.

  254. Helen says:

    Steve, look here before you go to the hardware store…or any store. :)

    http://www.madeinusa.com/directory.shtml

  255. JanC says:

    Dazzled:

    I’m hoping the tequila has enough alcohol in it to kill all the nasties. Most tequila is made in Mexico (I think) but not sure where the worm comes from…..ha ha. Limes probably do come from China……can’t do shooters w/o lime & salt……

    Kim?

  256. Lorie says:

    YAYA

    Going to figure out the proper way to get this wet food tested if it kills me trying………………..even though I have none of the recp’t anymore *sigh* but I wll will settle for hopefully finally exposing them once and for all.

  257. Trudy Jackson says:

    Kellie and Helen- Thanks for all the info. I will call and Email everyone i can think of tomorrow. Does anyone know the best people I should get in touch with? and I did look up the Beneful site. Yikes! Now someone just just mentioned Pedagree and that’s what My dogs are on.
    I am cooking for the cats, but not the dogs yet. I might have to. We have had a rescue for many years. what We have now are our own animals, not up for rescue. but we have 4 dogs and 20 cats- all “fixed”. and that’s a lot to feed. It’s about killing us. but I did lose 3 cats just before the recall, and I couldn’t bare to loose anymore. I am in northeastern N.C. so it’s late here. I have to go now. But please answer My questions for Me. I will check this thread first thing in the morning. Thanks again. Your all so intelligent. And a big Thank You to Itchmo!!

  258. Steve says:

    Keep up the pressure friends.

    U.S. Asks China for Significant Changes in Food Safety Relationship

    http://abcnews.go.com/Internat.....amp;page=1

  259. straybaby says:

    Julia,

    can you rec another toothpaste besides Tom’s?

  260. Helen says:

    About the Made in the USA site I posted:

    Beware the food section! Those companies do manufacture products here, BUT where are the INGREDIENTS from…we of course have no idea.

    This site is about American jobs, not about the integrity of food ingredients.

    Hope it helps you find USA products though.

  261. kellie says:

    trudy most of us like Innova/EVO dry foods.
    i trust them and if you can get your critters to eat it I do feel it’s a quality food. It’s only slightly more expensive than grocery store brands.

    good to see someone actually read my posts, heh, it feels like they get glazed over and no-one bothers with them.

    The EVO, and canidae/felidae and evangers seem to be the brands of choice for most of us here. Theres some other brands listed too that i cant find or have never heard of like kumpikat and atremis

  262. Howard says:

    Fluoride is just ONE of the ingredients in toothpaste which is toxic….Sodium Lauryl Sulfate(Known Carcinogen……even found in most “Natural” toothpastes)….Propylene Glycol(thats radiator fluid for you that don’t know….YES in your toothpaste!)…Sodium Hydroxide(commonly used as…..Drain Cleaner!)…PVN/MA(Poly Vinyl Nitrate……used in Plastics operation….oh and Plastic Explosives!)

    Did anyone notice the tags at the fish counter at the grocery store….you know….the ones that say…Product of Chile…Product of USA…Product of CHINA!!…………they required these tags this year(not sure it could have been late last year)….makes you wonder WHY they required this labeling(can anyone make the connection between this and some Recalled Chinese fish…Hmmmm)

    Some of the people at work think I am weird for starting a Veggie Garden, not buying pork or chicken (until they find out what they have been fed!)…..no Farmed Fish(especially ASIAN Raised….this means MOST shrimp frozen or “fresh” these days)….going to Organic and Natural Soaps(this is going to be the most expen$ive step!)

    The point here is this……almost ALL of use have been guilty for YEARS of just buying things that we thought were safe….taking the word of others…well the time is NOW to start investigating what you are putting IN and ON your body(and your pets!)….we need to stop poisoning ourselves!

    If you want to investigate some of the big companies and there practices here is a good starting block….

    http://knowmore.org/default.php

  263. Lorie says:

    straybaby,

    I think I am switching to Auqafresh

    http://www.amazon.com/Aquafres.....B00005AUWB

    says made in USA

  264. Steve says:

    Keep the pressure on the Reps friends.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Internat.....amp;page=1

  265. Lorie says:

    Gee Howard,

    I was just finishing up reading posts, can’t wait to go brush my teeth now before bed after reading yours * Wink* *sigh* Yummy toothpaste with radiator fluid YUCK

    Good night everyone

  266. Kim says:

    Sorry, was in the kitchen making cookies. Needed something to go with the Tequila. Tequila from Mexico, yes. But it’s a bottle I’ve had for 7 years (couldn’t drink for the past few years because of medicines I was taking).

    Limes are from Mexico too. “Tourista” won’t kill me.

    Helen - my (dead) cats used to eat Nutro too. The two I still have ate it occasionally, and I’d gotten a free bag in early March so had given them some of it. One immediately threw it up, and since she’d gotten really sick twice in the previous year (green bile anyone?) I dumped the bowl. The bag is under my kitchen sink, awaiting testing if need be.

    Because of my other cat’s deaths I’d mostly switched to Innova and Wellness, with occasional Nutro and Natural Balance. 5 cats dead from food-caused illnesses in past years, and/so I just missed the bullet this time around. One has CRF though, so no telling if this made it worse. We’re avoiding the vet.

  267. Zoe says:

    I think Jason makes toothpaste.
    Dr. Bronner is good soap.

  268. Howard says:

    AH ,,,,Zoe you are correct,,,they do….and I just checked the list of ingredients……I think I have found a new tooth paste!(Toms of Maine and most other naturals still list Sodium Lauryl Sulfate)

    Thank You!

  269. Helen says:

    Biotene toothpaste is made in US. Biotene mouthwash is great if you hate that burning chemical taste in your mouth. Arm and Hammer laundry soap works really well, and is kind to sensitive skin, especially the perfume free one.

  270. Kim says:

    JanC - thanks for the limes.

    Want an oatmeal-raisin-chocolate chip cookie?

  271. Tamar says:

    Thank you for disseminating this info!!! I myself was done with commercial food from these big manufacturers when I learned last week about the pentobarbital found in pet food. The FDA confimed it back in 2002 and if you google “pentobarbial in pet food” you will find the link right to the report on the FDA site. It is CHILLING! I am so angry - the FDA said it was fine that our pet’s food contains the same drug used to euthanize them???? Of the 37 brands they tested, 31 were positive for this drug. So in order to help the pet food comapnies continue to make money poisoning our pets, they did this sham of a study to ‘prove’ it was safe. There were so many holes in their study and conclusion. If this stuff was so ’safe’ for our pets. why not mention it on the label and let US decide if we want to feed toxins to our furkids? How would these folks like it if it was in their kids’ food? It’s DISGUSTING how our govt will help poison our pets so the big boys can keep making money. I have called up to the CVM (the FDA’s Center for Vetinary Medicine) and I am NOT liking what I hear. I ask specific questions about the effects of this drug in different scenarios and all they can say is “it is not known”. I want to scream “THEN HOW COULD YOU SAY IT IS SAFE?????” But I have to refrain or I will not get answers. I have one more Dr. to contact there at CVM but so far it looks like they DO NOT KNOW much about the effect of ingesting this pentobarital regularly over a period of time. Or the effects on a pet with health issues. I am so sick. I have joined a class action lawsuit against the pet food companies for false advertising. I think the FDA shuold be sued as well. I will NEVER trust our govt again. FOr anybody using commercial food, I urge you to go look. It is obvious from the report and details of how they decided this stuff was “safe” that it was a complete sell-out to the pet food companies with our furkids as the loosers. I am sickened. I will continue to pursue this. In my beloved baby’s honor (lost 11/18/05).

  272. Kim says:

    Janet:

    Here’s a report of a bad reaction to Iams Active Maturity Dry DOG food
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....ment-11363

    LOTS of Iams dry CAT food reports that don’t specify what variety it was.

    (I’ve been putting these reports in an Excel spreadsheet so it’s easier for me to find them than searching through multiple posts/boards/etc)

  273. Suzi says:

    “Marcia Says:

    […] but I am curious if anyone else had any kind of adverse reaction to California Natural?”

    I just switched my cat from dry IAMS food, which he was fed at the shelter where I got him, to California Natural dry food. He likes it and so far no problems.

  274. Sandi K says:

    straybaby Says:
    May 24th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
    “In response, Iams says they are “fully confident” that no cyanuric acid or melamine entered their products. ”

    prove it. say what you
    *******************
    Stray, this sounds just like Nutro. They sent many statements out about no canned food being affected and lo and behold guess what happened on 4-9? A private vet had canned food tested and looky, looky, what they found? So Iams you would think you could learn from your predecessors mistakes?

  275. Kim says:

    Are you kidding me? (See updated post above)

    Iams defended their ‘exceptional response’??? Boy do I know of a lot of people that would beg to differ… grrrrrr.

  276. JanC says:

    Kim:

    Thought you’d never ask…….mmmmmm…….cookies, limes & tequila…..burp…….

    I had my dog on Nutro Ultra (holistic…..holistic my a**) right before the recall. I took her off it because she got the runs…..then the recall hit. Only the canned was recalled but I still totally freaked out & was thankful I pulled her off it. I just read tonight or last night about a dog that got really sick from Ultra. Also had her on Beneful & Purina One last summer…….both I thought were good pet foods…..Beneful gave her the royal itchies & One gave her the runs. I’m soooooooo lucky that I still have her with me. Somebody upstairs was looking out for my Hannah.

    Just now starting her on Ca Natural……a little bit & the rest home-cooked.

  277. Julia says:

    straybaby,

    You can try Jason - http://www.jason-natural.com/p....._care.php.
    or Kiss My Face - http://www.kissmyface.com/Cate.....Oral+Care/
    or Nture’s Gate - http://www.natures-gate.com/sh.....tegory=143

  278. Helen says:

    Kim, the first time I went to your site and saw about losing so many cats to pet food…I would call that the moment my world changed forever. I had never really thought about pet food killing pets and shortening their lives. I had thought Nutro and Fancy Feast were a good combo. My cat has always been healthy and beautiful…until she wasn’t. Now she is again. Thanks for getting my attention. Your site also let me to Itchmo with the dry food link. I saw other people were blaming Nutro dry food for illness. I now have a new community because of your site. I have been able to make some dramatic changes in my own and my cat’s life. Keep up the great work you are doing! My pet store kicked Iams, Eukanuba, Pro Plan, and Nutro right out on their @sses after this. :) I used to buy the nutro there. Very glad they refuse to carry it anymore.

  279. Sandi K says:

    Lorie Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Lorie, I have heard of some other people getting that same response you did from your friend about needing to get a life. Anyone who feels that way must not have pets or shouldnt have pets or if they have pets they dont have a connection or loving with them is the only thing I can think. Next time someone says that to you, just tell them you feel sorry that they havent known such a bond, they are really missing out on something special in life.

    My husband who acts like a tough guy broke down when our girl died. We have both said that we havent felt as awful when we have had human family members die and I have heard others say that.

  280. Marcia says:

    JanC - I’d be interested to know how Hannah does on the Calif Nat. Everyone says its great and it probably is - I just ended up buying the last bag in the store and the pups had such a bad reaction that I got really worried. After them being sick last fall, I, too, feel so lucky that they are okay now that I second guess every decision I make for them. I don’t know what I would do if anything happened to them. They are the loves of my life and it took me a long time to be able to have another dog after I lost my sheltie.

  281. Amy says:

    Sandi K - that must have been horrible; like losing a child. I’m so sorry you had to go through that; I’m so sorry that anyone has to go through that thanks to the greed of the PFI.

  282. Marcia says:

    Sandi K - I know that when we lost our sheltie, our entire family fell apart. It was the most devastating moment in my life. Our babies give us unconditional love and devotion - something we will never find from any other source. The loss of such innocent and precious angels is beyond words.

  283. JanC says:

    Marcia:

    I’ll let you know. I’m only using about 1/4c dry to 3/4 home-cooked because I’m so afraid of any pet food right now. I also give her a doggie multi-vitamin daily which I hope is not from China.

    Can also relate to losing a dog & having a hard time deciding whether or not to get another one…..then I met Hannah last summer & she became the love of my life.

    Kim:

    Like Helen said, you are an angel for keeping track of all the things you do on your website. I don’t know how I would’ve ever gotten thru this without all of you & your wonderful websites. Somebody asked me today how I found these websites & you know what? I don’t have a clue. Something or someone led me to them shortly after the recall & I’m very thankful to all of you. I get itchmo’s alerts & I know before anyone, pet food stores or my vet, what’s the “recall of the day”……..

    You’ll always be welcome to my tequila & even my last lime……

  284. mybbgurls says:

    As I am a student taking a veterinary course I will leave this info. for any who might wish to try it. I put my dogs on a home cooked diet and I am seeing a great improvement in both animals. I started cooking for them due to this pet food situation, but will keep them on the home cooked diet from now on. I feel that my fur babies are worth the effort and small amount of time it takes, and I’m sure you would also.

    Recommended home cooked diets for dogs are made of 25%-30% meat 25%-30% carbohydrates, and 40%-50% vegetables for dogs. Chicken, beef, lamb, and even fish can be used as the meat component (no pork - I use ground turkey). The carbohydrate source can be rice, potatoes, pasta, or sweet potatoes. Just about any vegetable can be included. My favorites are carrots, broccoli, corn, peas, and beans. You can cook up a large batch and freeze portions for later use. Add vitamins and minerals to the diet along with fatty acids so that deficiencies won’t occur. (I use Pet Tabs Supplements from PetSmart)

    For cats, the meat proportion needs to be much larger because our feline companions have a high protein requirement. As a general rule, meat should make up between 60% and 80% of the diet. The remainder should be split between carbohydrates and vegetables.

  285. Kim says:

    Thanks Helen. I’ll reread your post every time I think I can’t do this another day. (which happens almost daily now.)

    JanC - yeah, BURP. Not the best combo with tequila, but better than melameat.

    K Vance: A couple of Pedigree reports. These are the only two I’ve got (so far) - so obviously there are FAR fewer of them than Iams and Nutro, but, since I had em, here they are.
    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-2055

    http://www.itchmo.com/read/sev.....mment-1078

  286. YaYa says:

    http://www.kumpikat.com
    OR http://www.kumpi.com {this one I believe is for the Dogs.}
    Phone# 303-693-6533

    You can get it shipped to you Very easy.{it’s very Fast too} Evy the owner is Awesome. She took my debit card over the phone no problem. Maybe she’d do a check-debit? I did not ask.
    And of course you can use a credit card if you’d like.

    The small bag like 4lbs. is a flat 22.00 to ship.

    I bought a brand of an Organic couple month ago to try here from a local grocer. It was 18.00 for only 2.2 lbs! PoW!
    My cat did not like it. I took it back to the store and they returned my money.
    Thats bout when we went totally homemade here. But she missed her crunchy food too.

    My cat Loves the KumpiKat! {a Dry food}
    And I am Totally confident in the food and how Evy has all the testing done.

    She does Not make a wet for Cats tho.
    I believe she makes both for Dogs.

    I think my cat Loves the KumpiKat enough that, If that were All she got, She’d have no trouble living on just that.

    I’d checkout the Web-site and then Call and Order it that way, your first time. Talk to Evy.

    It’s a Denver area number- 303-693-6533

  287. straybaby says:

    thanks julia! i was totally drawing a blank on other brands. i didn’t know that about Tom’s. figures i just opened a fresh one yesterday, lol!~

  288. Leslie k says:

    Posted earlier & forgot to say; THANK YOU ITCHMO ! Also PC, The petfoodlist & Teri at Accutrace. You’re all doing a great job ! The pet food co’s wouldn’t be watching & threatening if you weren’t!

  289. Kim says:

    Awww, Jan, thanks. That means SO much to me.

    I’ve added your post to my ‘read when I’m down’ file. :-)

    Funny, isn’t it, how much our lives can change in a couple of months? Whole new communities online, new friends, all pulling together to spread information and make change happen. It might take us longer than we thought, but, we’ll do it.

  290. Barbara says:

    Stephanie &

    Stephanie & Straybaby,
    I was using SD & Iams before this mess started. I have 2 cats that had the trembling going on & one of them with a UTI. Creatine level was high along with some trembling. Vet said it was the weather change. The other laid down & started trembling. I took him to another vet the next day. he didn’t know why my cat was trembling. One lucky thing, I had taken all 4 cats off that food as soon as the recall hit. I had to put them on BN Venison & Green Pea can food. Within 1 week, they both stoped trembling.
    Now I know what was causing it, thanks to the both of you.

  291. Genny says:

    Helen, Martin, Amy, et al,

    Evening. Took 4/ever to read all the posts.

    Last night was blog Happy Hour. Today/night is like blog hangover realizing what happened with that report. What a buzz kill.

    Question. About the retracted lab report, how do you capture something like that for safe keeping? Save to computer or what?

  292. Helen says:

    Well, I am sure we will all be gathered here together again tomorrow night for the recall-athon week 10 Friday night “whoopsees”. Sleep well all.

  293. Cindy says:

    My cats also had episodes of vomiting and bloody diarrhea stools while on IAMS dry hairball formula. Switched them to another brand after the initial Menu Foods recall, and have had no trouble since…HMMMMMM….very interesting….

  294. YaYa says:

    Well, after to-day and this Nastiness from the Imas folks; I’m ready for that Tequila over here now! :-P

    Tell me JanC, that can’t be the last Lime?!

    How bout Key limes from Florida? {Real sour but Good}

  295. Genny says:

    Sandi,

    When my first kitty died about 3 years ago, just shy of his 20th birthday, I didn’t think I’d ever stop the tears. My Mother mentioned several times that I would cry more for my cat than I would for her when she died. Hate to admit that she was right. Even though she had a terminal illness that I allowed me to mourned a few months prior to her death, it probably wouldn’t have made much difference. I LOVED that cat, my constant shadow.

  296. Helen says:

    Hi Genny. I’m sure quite a few people saved a copy of that onto their hard drive. Too bad these companies can’t act so fast to RECALL THEIR STUPID FOOD and to INVESTIGATE WHEN PEOPLE CALL TO TELL THEM HEY MY PET ATE YOUR FOOD AND DIED and TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT as they can to defend themselves from LAB REPORTS. >:{ Goodnight. Maybe we can have a laugh in next Wednesday night also. :)

  297. Susanella Noble says:

    Aloha, Itchmo

    What a wonderful service you are doing for our fine four-footed friends! As we have learned, the only safe way to feed our pets is by giving them REAL food. Nothing from a can or a bag is natural, organic or safe. I learned the hard way by poisoning some of my favorite pets over the years with the most expensive, vet-recommended toxic commercial foods. We’ve been LIED to by the giant corporations who are making fortunes from poisoning our pets and they know it! Our dogs and cats are innocent victims.

    Homefeeding is cheaper than the commercial foods, especially when you factor in all the vet bills for skin & ear infections, digestive tract problems and cancers. You’ll never know how sweet your pet can smell until you feed real food for a couple of weeks.

    Mahalo and keep up the good work.

    Susanella The Pet Chef

  298. Judy says:

    These comments break my heart! What can we do to run these crooks out of the country? WE must unite to save our innocent pets from further harm. If there is enough of an outcry from the people - the VOTERS - then maybe the legislators will do something to stop this madness. We have NAFTA to thank for this mess & who was in such a hurry to pass NAFTA? - the politicians! It makes me sick to think how many pets have been killed or permanently damaged because we fed them food that was supposed to be safe. Is it just the tip of the iceberg?

  299. Deb says:

    A few weeks ago I emailed IAMS, asking for a MSDS on the product line. I figured melacrap has a MSDS….so should any product that contains it. Today, I finally got the response. Appartently, the rep just did not get it. I am going to try again….this is the response I rec’ed today:

    Dear Deb:

    We appreciate you taking the time to write to us! It’s my pleasure to
    help
    you!

    All of our foods are natural with added vitamins and minerals and
    therefore
    does not require an MSDS sheet. If you would like to respond back with
    what
    specific information you are looking for I can see if I can help you
    with
    that!

    Please contact us anytime through our E-mail Us Now page located on our
    web
    site at www.IAMS.com. Or, look for instant answers on our web site FAQ.
    We
    would also welcome your call Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to
    7:00
    p.m. Eastern Time at 800-675-3849.

    Thank you!

    Sincerely,
    Jenny
    Iams Pet Care Team Member

  300. JJ says:

    Chuck in the 8:49 post I said that the companies that want our business, specifically talking so far of only 2 that I know of: Natura and Kumpki Just read that Natura guarantees 100% their food is free from contamination and they do not use any of the gluten, wheat, etc. Thats what I mean by co’s wanting our business and willing to prove that they are for real and want the best for our and their pets. Also ourselves. So for now has to say born, bred, made in AMERICA or no sale no matter where its from. Not from here, tuff. As far as the food you feed Lifes Abundance it contains catfish? Just read tha majority of catfish I believe comes from China. In the forums on here read where they hang the chicken cages over the fish farms and let the chickens poop in the water and the fish then eat this. EWWWW - no thanks. Wonder if bird flu gets worse when the treat/handle the birds like this?

  301. J.T. says:

    “Itchmo is asking you to find an unopened 20 lb. bag of Iams Large Breed dry dog food that matches the lot number: 260608 70574173 F4 US30940 with the expiration date of 6/26/08.”

    I haven’t read all the current 300 posts yet, but I promise Itchmo and all posters that tomorrow I will be on a witch hunt to all the pet food stores in my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth) to find the specific “unopened” bag of IAMS. I don’t care if the bags in question are located in the Denver area! That doesn’t mean it didn’t reach my area. I am determined to help those pet parents that fed IAMS to their pets only to find them get sick on it.

    IAMS are “fully confident” that no cyanuric acid or melamine entered their products????, yeah right, we’ll see how true that is. I for one, don’t believe any commercial pet food company anymore! They’re just covering their asses and their profit lines.

    I’ll keep y’alls posted . . . J.T.

  302. AnnaS says:

    I bought several books and started making homemade dog food for our 3 dogs in April even tho the brands we fed were not affected, YET. . Huge change, for the better. I even ate it a few times! I was going to do it temporary until all this recall stuff got straightened out. Well that could be a long time…….My Mother always said if you want something done right do it yourself!! Thanks for all the hard work you’re doing for all of us and our ‘kids’. Bless you

  303. cheetah-dog says:

    YA YA:

    I was one of those people who poo-pooed all of the people who stated that the dog food they used made their coats shiny and healthy. I could not believe it because my dog was on Prescription Diet WD, ZD, and Kirkland Dry Brands (Not Nutra-nuggets) and had a dull shedding coat all year round. Wow, I am finishing the first large bag of KUMPI and she has the best coat ever. No dandruff, dryness, dullnes. IT SHINES! And no stomach grumbling and no huge stools like she had with the WD diet which is loaded with peanut hulls!

  304. menusux says:

    Have been looking back on some of the stories, in light of the report today re: the cyanuric acid. We’ve been so hung up on the addition of (just) melamine alone to falsely boost protein levels. Take a look once more at exerpts from the New York Times story of May 9, 2007:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05.....=permalink

    Another Chemical Emerges in Pet Food Case

    “Three chemical makers said Chinese animal feed producers often came to purchase cyanuric acid to blend into their feed because it was cheaper and helped increase protein content.

    “In China, chemical producers say it is common knowledge in the chemical and agriculture industry that for years feed producers in China have quietly and secretly used cyanuric acid to cheat buyers of animal feed.

    ““Cyanuric acid scrap can be added to animal feed,” said Yu Luwei, general manager of the Juancheng Ouya Chemical Company in Shandong Province. “I sell it to fish meal manufacturers and fish farmers. It can also be added to feed for other animals.”

    “Yang Fei, who works in the sales department of the Shouguang Weidong Chemical Company in Shandong Province, echoed that view: “I’ve heard that people add cyanuric acid and melamine to animal feed to boost the protein level.

    “Two of the Chinese chemical makers say that cyanuric acid is used because it is even cheaper than melamine and high in nitrogen, enabling feed producers to artificially increase protein readings which are often measured by nitrogen levels of the feed. The chemical makers say they also produce a chemical which is a combination of melamine and cyanuric acid, and that feed producers have often sought to purchase scrap material from this product.

    ““The substance is nontoxic — it’s legal to add it to animal feed,” Mr. Yu at Juancheng Ouya Chemical said of cyanuric acid. “The practice has been around for many years. I often sell it to animal feed makers.””

    And now this from Wikipedia & FDA:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanuric_acid

    “FDA permits a certain amount of cyanuric acid to be present in some non-protein nitrogen (NPN) additives used in animal feed and drinking water. Cyanuric acid has been used as NPN. For example, Archer Daniels Midland manufactures a NPN supplement for cattle, which contains biuret, triuret, cyanuric acid and urea.”

    http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/.....fr=573.220

    “PART 573 — FOOD ADDITIVES PERMITTED IN FEED AND DRINKING WATER OF ANIMALS

    “Subpart B–Food Additive Listing Sec. 573.220 Feed-grade biuret.

    “Cyanuric acid and triuret……………. 30 maximum. Percent

    “The food additive feed grade biuret may be safely used in ruminant feed in accordance with the following prescribed conditions:

    “(b) It is used in ruminant feeds as a source of nonprotein nitrogen.”

    It is permitted–but only for cattle feed.

    http://www.admani.com/alliance.....erPlus.htm

    Feed supplement Roughage Buster Plus from Archer Daniels Midland, cited in Wikipedia above.

    Thought here is that some added melamine alone and some added cyanuric acid alone to fake the protein testing. Others added both melamine and cyanuric acid to artificially boost it–and it’s the contaminated material with both in them that is the most dangerous “mix”.

    While melamine or cyanuric acid may have been secretly added from China for many years, there were not enough problems with the foods to trigger many suspicions. But when the practice of cooking up both melamine and cyanuric acid to cheat on protein content went into high gear, this is when the crisis began here.

  305. Lola says:

    Thanks, Itchmo, for not backing down. Can’t believe that a big ol’ conglomerate put the squeeze [however indirectly] on you and the testing lab for posting the image of a report. That’s some meeeeean muscle boys.

    I don’t own a dog and no longer feed my felines Iams, but geez, it burns me that they’re more interested in protecting their image than protecting pets.

    Pet companies–if you take care of our pets, you don’t need to worry about your image!!! Just shut up and test the damned food!! How hard is that to figure out??!

    I’m going to look at other products sold by P&G–they’ll be losing some of my business. GRRR!!

  306. cheetah-dog says:

    The Tawainese government is warning their people not to use Sensodyne from the US for more than 4 months! This is what I use!

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/New.....2003353056

  307. Sandy says:

    CA NATURAL to the person that asked about it..I have fed it to my dogs since 1998 that and Innova….same company..I moved a dog to Evo and he was fine but allergic to chicken and turkey..so he is on CA NAT lamb and rice…you can BET I CALLED AND EMAILED with the company a LOT …I trust them….see their site..you MAY ??? have switched the foods too fast for your dogs

    I now feed my cats KumpiKat…..I have old cats one with bad teeth and when I say old I mean on the high side of 17 years old….one with CRF one borderline…(NOT FROM THESE FOODS BUT THE RECALLED ONES )..I had had them on Hills KD and many moist foods the moist foods got mine…the KD I just suspect …I do feed the moist EVO (protein is better than poisens for kidney pts) CA Natural canned and also Innova canned ……I do now and then feed the CA NAT dry to my cats….I wont feed any RX diet now…not with Hills one food dry being pulled a while back…I agree with someone else VETS PIMP the rx diets…I really only trust the makers of CA NATURAL AND KUMPIkAT ..I got screwed by Natural Balance and I do NOT nor ever will trust WELLNESS after WEEKS of the run around by them…..BY PHONE AND EMAIL

    I will join the boycott on PG and I avoid ALL foods by ANY of the companies that have had recalls

  308. Sandy says:

    itchmo…..did anyone nail that bag of food for you…lol you dont want 100 bags sent :-) Let us know…if not I can check Petco and my supermarket tomorrow…

  309. Kathy says:

    I haven’t even read all the posts yet but here goes–you can find Kumpi at Kumpi.com.

    SLS- Sodium Laurel Sulfate is actually another toxic ingredient in toothpaste that should not be swallowedby anyone, and it’s in most.

    Looked at Alamosa CO Safeway and City Market for the Iams–none there. Will look some more in the morning when the feed store opens.

  310. J.T. says:

    Sandy,

    You’re so right, LOL :-) . . . itchmo doesn’t want 100 bags sent! I’ll cancel my witch hunt tomorrow afterall. Hopefully you’ll find something at Petco and your supermarket tomorrow. Thanks for that . . . it’ll save me a lot of gas, LOL . . .

    ITCHMO ADMIN: We’re only looking for a couple of bags. One to be sent to an independent lab and another to be held unopened for future testing. If you find a bag that matches EXACTLY, we ask that you do NOT open it and contact us via email ASAP. We have very specific instructions to follow in order to preserve the integrity of the evidence and all involved.

  311. mittens says:

    does anyone recall in the 80s there were these bizarre rumours that P&G was controlled by satanists because they had the moon and stars logo? i remember thinking- how ridiculous- people will believe any sort of rubbish.

    WELL.

    i stand corrected. may i be the first to state: “who is it we’re dealing with here? could it be…oh…i dunno…SATAN!?”

    i’d check on your kids if you live near any of their plants because after they kill all our pets they’ll probably start in on the sacrafice of christian babies…not like them to let morals or the law or anything stand in their way.

    cats can also be poisoned by the sweetner xylitol which is often found in even the ‘organic’ feel goody toothpastes.dogs too.

  312. DMS says:

    I posted this under another article, but here it goes again. To those of you who have cited skin infections in dogs that ate the contaminated food, is that a stubborn staph infection? Have you noticed a strange odor to the dogs?

  313. ItchmoRocks says:

    Wow, what a crock that IAMS is the big bad bully. They don’t think that acting all “confident” does NOT mean that you use scare tactics? duh

    I am glad to see the lists of P&G products I wasn’t aware of. Thanks to all who posted those. Boycott man, like crazy. This is major vote with your wallet time.

    Anyone know if the hunt is still on for the food? Makes you wonder if IAMS magically did a lot of restocking today. Sure hope not.

    Back to what will help too - and that is contact your senators and representatives and urge them to get the food safety bill MOVING. It’s just been sitting and left to die. Let’s use some of this energy and get our elected officials to realize we expect them to get their jobs done and listen to us. Call them, write them.

    Itchmo Mon, you rock for all of this work. You put it out there for us and all of us and a gazillion angels will cover your butt. Hang tough cuz this window of opportunity is too awesome. FINALLY some answers and some justice. Good going guy. We’re all with ya.

  314. Deb says:

    Mittens…..I remember the P&G rumors……wide spread and there was no net at the time!!!! I kind of remember full page newspaper ads taken out and spots on TV in defense. There may have been truth to those rumors.

    We have to hit P&G where it would really hurt…..we have to stop using Tide…….that’s the number one product for P&G.

  315. Katie says:

    Thank you Itchmo for not backing down to P&G. I feel that the strong arming they have done to the independent lab is totally uncalled for. It is going to make it tougher for the rest of us to have our samples checked if corporations are going to strong arm the labs.

    Opened bags…. why would I send an unopened bag. I have to open it, feed it and than if my dog is sick from it, have it checked or discard it. Why would I send an unopened bag??? Why would I suspect an unopened bag of being contaminated.

    Most of us were feeding foods prior to the March 17th recall, some noticed problems in Feb. that food either is no longer available, discarded, or bags were opened and emptied or maybe even removed from store shelves. I’m sure the pet companies know this.

    I’m thinking now, Blue Buffalo and a few others at least took the heat -

    Katie(the other Katie)

  316. Sandy says:

    JT lol don’t stop looking but we have to find a way for all of us not to buy a bag-o-crap …lmao ….Also I HATE to think of Iams making mo’ money also…..so lets both check the site in the AM and see if anyone got it of not…we can look..I guess we can take it back…ITCHMO ROCKS I would be lost without this site

  317. Sandy says:

    American born and bred June Bugs..ugh my dog just ate one…for all we know these suckers may be acked with safe protein….and we are due for those cicades ughh….like locus deals……that some veggies and egg shell could make a good home grown adult dog diet :-)

  318. DMS says:

    menusux, re: biuret and cyanuric acid
    I saw that before and didn’t know what to make of it. I wrote a letter to S. Dodson of R-Calfusa.com asking him or her to explain. I also thanked him or her for writing to the senate on behalf of COOL. Hopefully, he or she can explain. It appears it is digested in the rumen and builds proteins. I’m not sure how long cyanuric acid has been used, but urea has been for quite a while. The things they think of to feed-i was going to animals–but it is all of us now. Here are two additional links I found:

    Archer Daniel Midland on Biuret
    http://www.admani.com/canada/Beef/Biuret.htm

    Look who uses the most non protein nitrogen in the world
    http://ecom.sric.sri.com/CEH/P...../201.8400/

    Doesn’t look like you will be able to click on them, although they did work on my spreadsheet. I am kind of new to blogging–this crisis has spurred me to action! Hopefully, you can type them in. I will see if that works as well and try to do better if it doesn’t.

  319. J.T. says:

    Sandy Says:
    May 25th, 2007 at 1:09 am
    JT lol don’t stop looking but we have to find a way for all of us not to buy a bag-o-crap …lmao ….Also I HATE to think of Iams making mo’ money also…..

    Buying a 100 bags-o-crap from Iams will not even put a dent in their revenue nor their profit line . . . however, exposing them for selling “cyanuric acid” laced pet food to all the trusting pet owners and killing their pets will really make them HURT! NO????

    What do you think?

  320. Sandy says:

    Made in the USA link above somewhere…I looked at it and it has menu foods…Iams and so many….made in is not the same as PRODUCT of the USA which would mean all the stuff in it is made and of the USA

  321. Sandy says:

    No doubt I agree with you JT but some on here…me included have limited income and would be willing to buy and mail a bag…but if it was not used by Itchmo cause he has lol I can’t stop loling 98 other bags….it would kinda suck…but we can return them if we keep the receipts…

  322. kellie says:

    did anyone see my post about walmart offering free samples of 2 new types of IAMS dog and cat foods?

    All natural.

    heres a way for ppl to get samples for free and have em tested and hit walmart and Iams hard in the same slap.

    the samples were up yesterday at walmart.com under the in stores now tab/free samples.

    today it was gone but they do that alot, rotate the free samples it will prolly be back up in the coming days.

  323. Kathy says:

    Oh, I have at least one Avon product here that is made in China, check your labels.

  324. Sandy says:

    I will be going to Walmart this weekend for bottled water… I will see if I can score some samples but I can’t afford testing…

  325. Lynn says:

    I’m just now catching up on this blog. I’ve a few responses/comments, so bear me if I lump them together. Also, I’ll be the first to admit I sound a little pompous here - I don’t mean to be. and I apologize in advance. It’s been a really, really long week for me.

    TO: mikee Says: May 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pm He quoted an article that said, “……Natura Pet Products has announced that, effective immediately, a new protocol will be added to its standard 120-point quality control program that will test for cyanuric acid.”

    Like the consumer is really going to have faith in your testing. However, if you had a highly reputable and state-of-the-art third party lab do the testing and THEY published the report on the internet…….

    TO:4lgdfriend Says: May 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pm “FDA RELEASE THE IDENITIFED 5TH TOXIN TO THE PUBLIC NOW”

    FDA: exactly what have you got to lose by publishing this information? Manufacturers will throw you out of bed or something?

    TO: straybaby Says: May 24th, 2007 at 4:18 pm in a post to me: “Lynn, I asked this question over in the forums under Misc. I’m trying to figure out the same thing. I need to shower and play with my dog, but i will be writing a couple of the companies that developed the strips and other test devices and see if we can’t come up with a home test.”

    Please, Straybaby, let’s do what we can on this. I’d really like to never buy commercial food again, but the reality is that some people are going to buy it. Some of the people on this blog know that I am having tested at two labs dry kibble from two unopened bags of my friend’s dogs’ favorite pet food. Of course now we have this new fiasco come up so now my tests are delayed, etc., etc. I’ve talked with two labs about reduced testing prices for consumers and one of them is looking into it. Two labs [that I know of] are approaching the manufacturers and offering services. Independent third party analysis, paid for by the consumer. Might be feasible…….until such time as a manufacturer dangles a huge contract in front of the lab with a contingency that the lab never test consumer samples due to “conflict of interest.” [Big sigh.] But maybe there are other possibilities out there. We need to keep looking. We’re overdue for a change in luck, don’t you think?

    TO: Ruth Says: May 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pm “IAM’s keeps saying that their dry dog food is not affected because it isn’t made at the Menu Plant like their wet food. They have said it’s made at their plant.”

    Yes, and I’ve got green antennae growing out of my skull.

    TO: Amy Says: May 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pm “So, say you feed your pet the dry with cyanuric acid and a wet with melamine - tests show those two combined create LARGE crystals in urine/kidneys.”

    Hey, Amy, where did you read that? Is it quantified? If you have the link would you post it or email it to me? Thanks.

    TO: Ann Jackson Says: May 24th, 2007 at 4:33 pm “My dog, Freedom, trembles almost constantly and has since she ate the toxic pet food…… Most of the trembling happens in her back legs.

    Ann, I struggled on whether or not to respond, but better I should. Know that I am not a veterinarian and that you should seek professional treatment/diagnosis. Trembling is a reaction to a number of different causal factors. Many have already been mentioned on this site. There are a few more possibilities. Just POSSIBILITIES, Ann. Please don’t assume that Freedom has trembling because of what I am about to list. Just be aware and file it in the back of your brain.
    1. Weak legs, hindquarters, particularly when an overweight pet is standing.
    2. Circulatory problems, specifically when the heart is not pumping sufficiently. The far extremities are generally the first to be oxygen deprived [as a result of the weak pumping of blood carrying oxygen throughout the body].
    3. Neurological problems
    4. Lumbar degeneration or other problems [Ever had a slipped disc?]
    5. Reaction to pet parent’s anxiety. [Don’t anyone tell me they are not intuitive and sensitive to your feelings.]
    6. Check out Dr. Mike Richard’s site. He had a Q&A forum for a long time but no longer answers questions - he was great. He did, however, keep his website up and running so that all the questions he answered through the years would be there for reference to pet parents everywhere. Now there is an angel of a man. He has an index for dogs and one for cats. In this case, under the dog index, I selected “T” and found references for trembling and tremors. You can read the old Q&A’s under these links: http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dmotion.html and http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dtremor.html

    TO: Suzi Says: May 24th, 2007 at 4:48 pm regarding IAMS’ response, which read, “I wish I could be more helpful, but supplier information is proprietary and not shared outside the company.”

    No nice way to respond except to say, “Oh, crap.” Pulling the proprietary card doesn’t cut it, IAMS. Haven’t you figured out that we bloggers are resourceful and will figure it out? Costco was famous for saying that about their Kirkland pet food when I hounded them to get it off the shelves. Doesn’t instill confidence, Suzi? Not by a longshot. In fact, I find it anti-positive. It’s all smokescreen. All of it.

    TO: Compcat Says: May 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm who responded to my earlier query about whether or not you could use a swimming pool cyanuric acid test kit to test pet food.

    Compcat, thanks so much for the explanation. I really appreciated it, even if the answer was not what I had hoped to hear. Also, you asked about more pages to the AccuTrace lab report. Yes, there are more pages, but never published on a website. My guess would be that if the lab has found another toxin that no one’s mentioned yet, that the lab will be industrious and update their order forms to include the availability of testing for that toxin. Just a guess.

    TO: Sandi K Says: May 24th, 2007 at 5:18 pm You brought out a valid point - that animal shelters sure as heck aren’t stirring food up in a pot on the stove.

    Will they bother to test food if some cheap method was available to them? My gut reaction is, probably not. Show me an animal shelter with money to burn.

    Someone [SandiK?] posted that the FDA “sent a letter to pet food companies saying they are allowed to police themselves and are ”expected” to ensure their food is safe.”

    There’s a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening.

    TO: Moony Says: May 24th, 2007 at 6:02 pm “If a company has something manufactured in their own plants in another country, does shipping it here even count as an ‘import’?”

    Good question. I’m not an attorney but my guess would be that if the American plant in China is set up as a Chinese corporation then it’s considered a Chinese product - an import to the US. But we all know that the manufacturers will find a way to make it an American product in order to benefit. My, they are resourceful, aren’t they? Anyone friends with an international trade attorney who can answer this one?

    TO: wtopnews.com’s title “U.S. Asks China to Monitor Exports” -

    Don’t you just LOVE the word “ask”? So FDA’ish. Those wimpy, wimpy passive aggressive verbs. Ugh! Who’s running the show here?

    TO:slt Says: May 24th, 2007 at 7:22 pm “Couldn’t you post the report but blur the lab’s info so they are not named - would that satisfy the sharks at Iams? Censorship!”

    A wild guess: not pulling the report off the website could put the lab and Itchmo in the middle of a nasty lawsuit. Sad part is that he with the best paid attorney will win.

    TO:Steve Says: May 24th, 2007 at 7:29 pm “On May 24, 2007, a United States federal court issued an order that, for the time being, prevents Menu Foods from having direct contact with individual U.S. pet owners.”

    I left a message for my cousin, an attorney, to call me and answer that one. Must admit, Steve, it sure does sound like Duane-o speaking.

    Amy Says: May 24th, 2007 at 7:35 pm “Maybe that’s China’s master plan? Kill our pets, we drink when we grieve, we all get cirrhosis of the liver and die. They take over our country.”

    Makes sense to me.

    TO:Lorie Says: May 24th, 2007 at 7:45 pm “……a girlfriend of mine a week or 2 ago she said I was to dramatic go through what she said a pet dying, told me I needed to get a life.”

    Make new friends, Lorie. Either toss this one aside or make it a tentative relationship with strong boundaries. Just know you’ve got friends and support here.

    ally Says: May 24th, 2007 at 8:16 pm “If anyone has a screen grab of that report please send it with a link to Itchmo’s blog entry and note to these journalists: David Barboza - NY Times, Abigail Goldman - LA Times, Karen Roebuck - Pittsburgh Tribune”

    I couldn’t find Barboza’s phone or email address in my notes, but I did sent the file copy I made from Itchmo’s site and emailed it to the others earlier today. You’re right, they, and our USA Today friends, Elizabeth Weise and Julie Schmit, have done one helluva job for pets. And so many others out there. You know who you are.

    TO:Donna Says: May 24th, 2007 at 9:07 pm “……. I have personally dealt with AccuTrace and they have been very, very helpful.”

    I currently have a sample at AccuTrace and another sample at another lab. Teri at AccuTrace has been absolutely wonderful to me in spite of my many phone calls and emails. I guess it comes from being a pet lover herself.

    TO:Steve Says: May 24th, 2007 at 9:15 pm “Whats next in this most favored nation trading game. China will say Iowa added melamine to their soybean shipments?”

    Yo, Steve! LOL Don’t even go there.

    TO:Lorie Says: May 24th, 2007 at 9:30 pm re sending in unopened pet food to [a lab?] - will it fly?

    Again, I am not an attorney but there is a form that most labs use - “Chain of Custody” - which documents who gave what to whom and on what date. I sent one of my test speciments to Expert Chemical Analysis in La Jolla. In fact, I drove it to their lab. That form was one of the first things I signed. It’s a form apparently common to the industry, used to document the path of evidence or test sample. My guess is that you’re covered. Just sign it first and date it. Get the lab to sign it and date it and they will keep the process moving. Check with an attorney, though, to get legal advice, especially if you’re thinking of joining a class action suit or filing an action on your own. An attorney may have already made arrangements with a lab to get his class action clients’ samples tested. If you are going to make a claim against the manufacturer directly, without an attorney, then I should think the fact that you have the can the food came in should be proof enough - res ipsa loquitor. Check me out on this.

    If you go to Expert Chemical Analysis lab’s website at http://www.ecalab.com/images/FRM18-803.pdf you can download their blank “Chain of Custody” form to see what it contains. BTW, I sent you an email today, Lorie, with info about what I learned regarding sending in samples to labs.
    Incidentally, if anyone is considering testing, I am happy to share information, Just send me a PM from the Itchmoforum site. I’m in a few places under “Lynn.” Just bear with me on Friday - I’ve got meetings in the morning.

    Other comments:
    • Am contacting a local Sr Citizens club Friday that’s very active and always looking for new things to do, especially if it means they can contribute in some way to a worthy cause. Gonna encourage them to go on an IAMS scavenger hunt. Call your local senior center or club.
    • Maybe, just maybe, if enough people are interested in sending pet food to a lab for testing, we can work out a price break. I don’t know what their real cost is, so I have no idea what kind of discount can be worked out, if any.

    And finally, because I am sure you’re sick of reading my ramblings:

    TO:anna_2007 Says: May 24th, 2007 at 6:53 pm “I vote for a new word: ITCHMOSIS - the process of outing the most disgraceful crimes against pets and humans … Alternative usage: “I’m gonna Itchmo you crooks!”.

    I’ve got an alternate suggestion, since “Itchmosis” infers a negative condition or disease. How about “Itchmology” [because this whole experience on his website has indeed been a study] or, my personal favorite, “Itchmogenesis” [to tell the world that Itchmo made it possible for a mega-huge population of pet parents to band together and share resources]. We could put it on t-shirts, sell them at a decent profit, and donate the money back to Itchmo, who has done so much for all of us.

    It’s a powerful and humbling feeling to know that someone cares that much about animals to make huge sacrifices in order to keep up this blog. I say this with the deepest respect and admiration for everyone on the Itchmo web team AND for all the bloggers who’ve educated me. You’ve all made me so aware. You humble me.

    Thanks for reading.

    “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead

  326. Sandy says:

    Ugh my hubby is gonna kill me more. I just sent the PG list for us to boycott…to print where he works……He is so sick of the petfood stuff and me avoiding things…gas to return foods..

  327. High Note says:

    Main toothpaste manufacturers in America
    Church & Dwight
    make Aim, Arm & Hammer, Close up, Mentadent, Pepsodent
    GlaxoSmithKline
    make Aquafresh- Aquafresh-UK
    Colgate Palmolive (Multinations Croporation)
    makes Colgate and also bought out Tom’s of Maine, and also there is a China plant that makes Colgate toothpaste called Yushan Industrial co. in Guangzhou, China
    Procter & Gamble
    Crest
    GABA International AG- European Manufacturer
    makes ELMEX Anticaries
    There are other toothpastes but that is all I could find so far.
    There is also a Pet toothpaste manufacturer in China called Cutepet INC.
    and they make Pet Select Pet dental care kit with toothpaste and a gum brush
    China has several businesses that supply calcium carbonate which is used in toothpaste.
    China has also became the worlds leading supplier of many food flavorings, vitamins, preservatives. In the year 2006 China has $25 billion food ingredients supplied to the US and the world. They are the prominant maker of Vanilla flavoring, citric acid, varities of vitamin B such as thiamine, riboflavin, Folic acid and they are one of the largest supplier of vitamin C.
    You can go down any isle of your local store and find products that have ingredients made in China.
    I WANT TO POINT THIS OUT TO EVERYONE THAT EVEN IF THEY SAY WHO THE MANUFACTURER IS ON THE LABEL AND EVEN IF IT SAYS MADE IN USA. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE INGREDIENTS ARE ALL MADE IN THE USA. IT ONLY MEANS THE PRODUCT IS MADE HERE. IF IT SAYS DISTRIBUTED BY THIS MEANS THAT THE COMPANY ONLY PUTS IT ON THE MARKET. THEY DO NOT MAKE IT!
    THE ONLY WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS IS TO HAVE THE MANUFACTURER SAY ON THE LABEL THAT ALL PRODUCTS COME FROM THE USA.
    Let me also point out that all of these manufacturers in the USA are having trouble finding the preservatives, etc. for their products because there are very few companies that are in the business of making them here so they have no choice then to go to other countries or they are out of business.
    Where do you think companies like Tyson and Mission get their preservatives and riboflavin and thiamine, etc. from China! Tyson and mission do not want to buy from them any more and are looking for other ways. They will have a hard time trying to find a supplier too.
    I am personally on the kraft panel for surveying and I got to speak to one of the spokes ladies and she got in touch with kraft and they said that they do not buy their milk protein from China but they purchase it from Mexico and New Zealand, just in case any of you have heard the rumor about their milk protein in our cheese, etc.
    I do not know about all of the things they put into their products and I only ask about the rice protein because I read it in one of the blogs and was upset when I read it.
    I also got on a sight that said for instance our hostess twinkies have over 12 ingredients that probably come from China. So you see so many of our products have certain additives that they need in them and China is the main producer of these.

  328. Lynn says:

    To Sandy Says: May 25th, 2007 at 1:53 am

    Oh, Sandy, don’t you know that women have such power to convince husbands to change their attitudes. Think about it. Age old ploy. LOL

  329. Leon says:

    Hi !

    My dog is eating now Eukanuba Large Breed. It is the same stuff as Iams Large breed ? Thank you.

  330. Sandi K says:

    Genny Says:

    May 24th, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    Thanks Genny for your kind words, I truly think its only pet people like all of us here that understand how hard it is to lose a pet. I dont even like calling our girl a “pet”. She really was a soul mate to me. I will never be able to explain the bond we had, and Im afraid I will never have that again. Our girl died on March 11th and I can still see her going thru the awful seizures, one so bad that I had to leave the room as I couldnt watch and I will always feel guilty about that (my husband stayed with her). And I am not a person that is normally unable to deal with medical problems. It was awful! Tonight is extra hard and I think this Iams thing is bringing it all out again on what we went thru with Nutro. I am in tears but seeing posts like yours and others here who arent giving up really help me feel better, Im am doing what I can do, writing letters, calling Senators, etc but there are times when I just cant do anymore for the day and knowing you guys here are helping really gives me a sense of protection and security. Thank you to everyone for helping, it means alot to folks like us who lost their pets. Our girl took one big last breath and died in my arms while we were sitting in front of the vet clinic waiting for the Dr to show up. She had gone into a coma after the seizures but was still holding on for as long as she could. Please dont let this happen to anyone else’s pet. Please.

  331. Sandy says:

    LMAO Lynn…I just emailed it to him I thought it was 26 pages long but it is only one…Thanks God I would be so worn out of you get my drift :-)

  332. Sandy says:

    Lyon I would check what is in it to the the other product….to be honest I would not feed any pet their crap……ever …..

  333. Lisa says:

    This is what I truly think we all should do as responsible pet owners. I have been following this tragedy from the very beginning. STOP BUYING COMMERCIAL DOG FOOD! Just make your own. I have 16 dogs. It’s really not that difficult if you have the correct information. I am using Dr. Pitcairn’s book. A geiser of information in there.

    If I can do it, anyone can. As I stated, I have 16 dogs to feed. I don’t even buy dog biscuits anymore. It’s all poison, as far as I am concerned.

  334. Genny says:

    Sandi,

    You’re very welcome. We all feel each other’s pain here and are bonded in that way. I remember that one big last breath. It was exactly like my Mother’s last. Both of their last two weeks were so paralleled in many ways. It was a tough experience but nothing that compares to these senseless, traumatic deaths by poison. We can only hope that they will not die in vain and things will change.

    On a lighter note: “”I would be so worn out of you get my drift :-)” LOL. 26 pages??!?? Yikes!! Just the thought makes my jaws…..oh, Nevermind!

  335. Sandy says:

    Lisa the thing is if you are using chicken….fish….or pork for your homemade foods…its crap too because its full of melamine…Also I bet beef has it too but the beef lobby has mega bucks…OUR food isnt safe so there isnt any way to feed them safely..I would have to own my own sheep farm and feed them grass from my lawn only as I do not use chemicals…..sadly not much is safe

  336. Itchmo Looking for Verification on Cyanuric Acid in Unrecalled Iams Large Breed Dry Dog Food says:

    […] to DaLy, Hope’s firmom, for barking in this report from the Itchmo Blog. EXCLUSIVE: Lab Reports Cyanuric Acid In Unrecalled Dry […]

  337. Sandy says:

    lmfao Genny on the umm jaw and nether regions

    Hey I lost 2 cats last year…held them both at…that moment….I know the pain all too well…..and know I have 2 more to go…..

  338. Genny says:

    Sandy,

    It’s a ‘girl’ thing, eh? *wink*

    Mine had to be put down. Some friends volunteered to go for me or with me but I graciously declined. Held him in my arms till the end and wouldn’t have had it any other way. Even though I had another cat, I had such a big, empty hole in my heart that five days later I adopted a kitty from a friend who had a couple of stray mothers with litters. It wasn’t a replacement but it really helped take the edge of the hurt.

  339. Ruth says:

    To Sandi K: I also lost my little pet dog on March 11. Nothing could save her either. And like you she died in my husbands arms only because I stepped out of the room for a minute to change clothes.
    I also feel that she was my pet soul mate. My daughter and I kid each other because her pet is that to her. They are so much alike. You are the first person say that about their pet. I thought people would think we were crazy for saying that. LOL…

    Marley completed my world. She was 6yrs old. Chi/terrier mix. Rescued puppy. She had her own unique and quirky personality unlike any other pet that I have had over the years. She was my special pokey little puppy. That snorted and snored. (She had been abused and choked with a her collar and it made her snort when she got excited.)

    I wish IAM’s would be completey honest with pet owners. Then I would get some closure.

    The look Marley gave me,pleading with her eyes will haunt me forever. Everything I did for her was not enough. I will forever miss my beloved little puppy.

  340. Itchmo » Blog Archive » Recall Update: Friday says:

    […] Exclusive: Lab report says cyanuric acid found in unrecalled dry food. […]

  341. sandi says:

    Iams Large Breed Dog Food, my question is. Why is Itchmo. com looking to test the food?? Is Iams attempting to hide this ?

    Sandi

  342. Genny says:

    Sandi,

    I think they want an UNopened bag to verify the lab’s report and probably to circumvent any cop out excuses.

    From Itchmo - at begining of this blog:

    “”We cannot stress this point enough: This test was performed on a sample from an opened bag. We do not know if this is an isolated case of contamination before or after the sale, or if it is widespread.”"

  343. Kiki says:

    It’s clear to me too. I HAVE stopped buying and feeding all national brand commercial pet foods - only REAL food for my dogs. Anything and everything I feed is, will, or has been thoroughly scrutinized. I no longer buy regular produce - only local organic (no organic from China stuff). I WILL now stop purchasing ANY products from P&G, C&P, DelMonte - ANY of the big nulti-national companies and will just buy local, organic, small.

    Will it be more inconvenient, and perhaps in the short-term, more expensive? Probably.

    Will I start to become more in-tuned with how I live and will I realize that what I consume does in fact affect the world at large in ways I never realized until recently: animal testing (I thought that was banned years ago), inhumane practices (read about corporate farming), pollution and destruction of our environment, raping and pillaging our precious resources, poor quality products (even poison), exploitation of workers, destruction of American jobs, poor quality (even poison), yes I said it again.

    Will I become less wasteful, less consumptive, and more grateful for what I do have? I hope so.

    As Americans, we owe it to our country to support our country and our people, not support the few corporations that are making billions off the complete and adulterated exploitation of outsourcing to developing countries and all the other crap that is going on with oil economics. The more independent we can become, the better. We make a difference with our vote and with our dollars. Since 9/11 and Katrina, I realized our government is nothing - just a huge bureaucratic, self-seving entity, that gives NOT a crap about the citizen’s it is meant to protect and serve. The will of the American people must trump all. America must come first. Why try to democratize a country that may not be ready to democratize and spend billions in lives and money, while in our country, there are people who are suffering?? It’s crazy. Rather than tell others what to do or how to live, how to act, why don’t we become a model country ourselves? We have so much work to do in cleaning up our own act in so many ways, why focus on the problems of other countries?

    If each of us, as individuals, does our small part - even independent of what ANYone else does, we will be making a positive impact in that WE won’t be contributing directly to the horrific nature of contemporary commerce that we have been subjected to. If we take care of ourselves and our families through each and every mundane decision (from toothpaste to gas) and we finally CONTROL our own best resource - our purchasing dollars, we will be contributing to a better way for ourselves AND others and NOT contributing to the pain, suffering, and exploitation of others and our own environment.

    If we take it further and decide to share and become a positve force through activism and activism activities, then even better. Itchmo has been a most wonderful resource for bringing like-minded folks together - we are much stronger as a collective voice than we would be as a single individual. Perhaps Americans are finally starting to wake up and develop some social consiousness - what we do and how we live DOES make a difference - good or bad. We have a responsibility and we should not shirk it. Too bad it took the deaths of so many of our pets to finally wake-up.

    God bless our furkids…

  344. OpinionBug.com » Website Says Cyanuric Acid Found In Unrecalled Dry Pet Food says:

    […] (Full Story) […]

  345. l douglas says:

    we lost our boxer in february. she and the other dogs were eating a nutra max brand (lamb and rice). the other dogs were nauseous now and then and we couldn’t figure out why, then she developed a fever and what sounded like a stuffy nose. within a day and a half she was dead. all this was before the reports of contamination came out.

    i know what you mean about russian roulette. since the incident i’ve been buying whole foods brand and wellness brand dry dog foods for the other dogs and they seem to be doing fine. it’s now more pricey than the other high end foods we thought were safe

    please keep doing what your doing and shine a light on what’s been in the darkness for way too long. we love the members of our furry family and we don’t want anything else horrific to happen to them.

  346. l douglas says:

    oops……….typo………

    it was nutra max natural lamb and rice

    and …….’it’s NO more pricey than the other high end brands’………

  347. LorieVA says:

    Kim

    Double posting to make sure you see this:

    this is for your IAMS spreadsheet not sure if you saw post from way back that my 2 cats last spring had issuse with IAMS hairball formula and indoor wt control they ate the two mixed together,

    Geisha had bloody runny stool and develop a UTI with perm crystal problem vet said she at some bacteria, she is an indoor cat of a very parinoid cat owner MOI who makes everyone remove shoes, no plants etc……..

    Topaz would vomit yellow bile and then foamy stuff in about 20 piles at a time all over the house upstairs in down, vet said she had sensitive stomach issues from turning seven

    Switched food to Eukanuba sensitive stomach for Topaz no more vomiting till new problems with FF this past March

    Switched Geisha to Science Diet RX C/D no more problems till FF this past March

  348. justjeneric says:

    Question - how do we safely dispose of foods we want to trash? I don’t even want the rats at the landfill to suffer from this crap. I have 65 pounds of Timberwolf to get rid of - any suggestions - besides feeding it to the company owners?

  349. catmom5 says:

    I, too, try to avoid buying anything PG, CP, etc when I discovered the awful animal testing they do . . . I have found home products (laundry soap, window cleaner, etc) from method and they are natural, American and do not test on animals. I can only get them at Target, but you can check them out online at methodhome.com. They are a bit pricey, but worth it!

    I’m hitting a lot of the farmers market this summer, too!

    I also am using Cal Natural dry for my cats, one of them suffered ARF in November. Haven’t had any problems at all. Natura is checking all of their ingredients and foods, and having it tested by an independent lab. They are one of the few companies I’m willing to use . . .

    Finally, thanks to Itchmo and all of you terrific folks for standing together to do the right thing by our furkids.

    (I hate Tequila . . . anybody want to join me in a Kahlua and cream?)

    catmom5

  350. Carol says:

    Trying to get away from all this madness I decided to go out this am and open up my small pool only to find my melamine dishes in my storage box and cyranuric acid “testing” in my 5-way test kit……

  351. JanC says:

    YaYa…….I’m off to get more limes as this is recall Fri……I’m sure we’ll be needing them for the late recalls today.

    catmom5…….I was on Kahlua & melamilk a week or so ago but most everyone is on the tequila shooters……I’m easy……I’ll drink Kahlua with you & tequila with Kim & the others. Oh what a melahangover I’ll have tom’w.

    All this news is just insanity. I’m not sure anything is safe these days & it scares me. I worry about my dog’s health.

  352. Amy says:

    Catmom5 - I just switched to Method after the Tide and Downy I had used my entire life (mom used it when I was a kid, too) started making my skin itch and break out. Switched detergents and now no more itchy skin problem and I feel better about their commitment to the environment and being American made. And the Method just smells so good and you don’t need to use nearly as much as Tide.

  353. Kiki says:

    where do you get method detergent? where is it from and has it got safe ingredients?

  354. Amy says:

    Hey Lynn - here’s the info on the testing where they combined melamine and cyanuric acid at the PH level of a pet’s kidney and found that it makes great big nasty ass killer crystals… it was posted right here on Itchmo:

    http://www.itchmo.com/read/can.....e_20070427

  355. Linda says:

    Marcia,
    I switched my 2 yr. old Bichon from Eukaneuba to wellness the day before the news about tainted pet food broke (she was not her self, moping, no energy, just not right). Although it was a gradual switch, My baby ate that crap for 2 whole years and can you imagine how hard any change would be. I was not comfortable with wellness after trying three different kinds, so I went to CA Natural. At first she could not digest it, or any kibble for that matter. After all this time, my dog is doing very well as of the past few weeks. I had to stop the kibble entirely, give her pepcid and a bland diet…lamb or chicken (pref. organic), rice, about a tablespoon of canned pumpkin. I did this for 3-5 days as I consulted with the vet. Then I added just a tablespoon or so of the kibble at a time, until she gets 1/2 to 2/3 kibble the most per day and half home made food. In the morning, she gets half a hard boiled egg (organic) , a little plain yogurt (also organic) and some kibble. Then at night the meat mixture with some kibble. If your dog inhales food like mine, try giving half the meal at a time to slow her down. After months of loose stools, vomiting and stomach problems, she is doing better than ever. My next step is to cook home made with supplements. I bought one book, ordered another and got a website from another ITCHMO reader - petgrub.com. So thanks to everyone for all your support and good information. I don’t give any treats (not after she was almost done in by Nat. Bal. treats!), just some kibble as a treat and she is fine with that. It is very hard to trust any pet food company, which is understandable, but we have all learned so much through it, unfortunately at the sacrifice of many beloved pets. I now shop at the Whole Food Store and sound like what I used to call my nutty aunt, who was always spouting about how processed foods were killing us all…she was right.

  356. LorieVA says:

    This is a double post to keep you all informed of what I am doing

    Ok, I just got off the phone with a lab I am sending 3 cans of my suspect tainted food on Tuesday morning to be tested, they need about 8oz of product so to be safe sending 3 cans all out of the same new case they got sick from half way through second can. Hopefully, the case is all the same batch and not just a random bad can here and there and I just so happened to use the poison can. *sigh* that would be just my luck. Keep fingers crossed we get the results we need to hang another company out to dry.

  357. LorieVA says:

    Linda,

    My cats were on PEPCID doing their recovery also, it has now been 9 weeks since poisoning and seem to be doing much better and not really needing PEPCID as of last week. Knock on wood. They are on wild canned alaskan salmon, baked chicken tenderloins, and KUMPIKAT. Their dandruff has gone totally away, Geisha stilll has an ocassional hairball due to long hair Persain who hates to be brushed, but we try. LOL

  358. furmom says:

    And which alleged food do you believe you are allegedly testing?

  359. Flamin says:

    Well Another Friday, & you know what this means. More pet food companies will more likely than not, release recalled products tested for cyanuric acid, or the other contaminates. This is really getting depressing.

    I’m not feeding my dog, or family any chicken, fish, ( we don’t eat pork ) products for awhile. Only buffalo & venison for meat, my dog loves it! No soy protein meat for a while either, I miss veggie burgers.

    TGIF= Thank God for Itchmo Forum

    someone update Wiki please..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGIF

  360. Barbara says:

    As I’m reading everything this morning, It brings back memories. Over the years with may kitties I watched them vomit food, bile & the foamy yellow stuff also. Lots of times with loose bowels too. Never gave a thought it could be the food. After all, I bought the best stuff out there, so I thought. Back in the mid 70′ when I got married we got a kitten from my brother. Then, Whiskis was THE thing to feed him. He was back & forth to the vet. At age 14 he died of cancer. We also had gotten a puppy at that time. He passed from cancer at age 12. In the 80′ we got 2 other kitties. One just passed FROM CANCER again & he was 17. My other little shadow passed at age 12 from cancer,IBD, and a spine infection, which I don’t know the real name for it. I still never thought it was the food. I kept thinking it was the water. Just last month we had the water tested & found it is EXCELLECT. So that left the food or their “Genes” which is what my kids kept telling me. When this recall started, I knew for sure what it was all along. So, that just goes to show how long this has been going on. I blamed myself for their deaths. I thought I was going something wrong, and what could I have done better. It’s a terrible feeling.
    justjeneric, As far as getting rid of the food, maybe try putting it in a plactic bag or 2 a little at a time then put it in the garbage. I do like the idea you have to feed it to the co. owners! That one is the best.

  361. Flamin says:

    I missed where you get your food tested at LorieVA.
    Can you post a link, and price? I was wondering how much it would cost, to test people food too.

    Thanks & GL on the results…keep us posted

  362. LorieVA says:

    furmom,

    trying to keep it on the down low…*WINK* so no cyber amn shos up at my door and kills me or blows up the lab I am sending it to. LOL I think. Will let you all know results

  363. Barbara says:

    It looks like we all wrote at the same time!
    I want to thank everyone here for being so kind and helpful. The foods are getting a little easier to pick from now. I’m going kitty shopping now.
    Itchmo, Thank you for starting this and going a GREAT job keeping us informed. I don’t know what we would have done without this, especially me! It is a wonderful idea.

  364. danielle says:

    Marcia: I personally haven’t used Cal. Natural, but I’ve heard it’s very dry. Not a lot of moisture content. Did you mix the kibble with water? Most of the super-premium foods recommend that you do that. As for the loose stool, maybe it was just your dogs adjusting to the food, or it could just be too rich for them. I haven’t heard of any problems with this food, just that it’s a little bland-tasting compared to other foods and very dry.

  365. Flamin says:

    Barbara,
    “vomit food, bile & the foamy yellow stuff also. Lots of times with loose bowels”

    Oh? The vet told me the yellow foam is from having an empty tummy! Don’t tell me this is a symptom!!!! My chihuahua was doing that when he was eating royal canin mini 33 chicken puppy food for the first two months! Remember that isn’t on royal canin’s recall list, but I took him off it in fear of the so called “cross contamination story” these companies claim to happen. Could you post a link, or information where the yellow foam vomit is a symptom please.
    Thanks

  366. LorieVA says:

    Flamin

    Yellow bile vomiting is not normal both my cats did that from the bad food.

  367. MarkH says:

    Hmm…Yellow bile vomit. You know, a long time ago last year my cat was having this symptom. This was around the summer of last year 2006. My vet told me to switch his food and put him on some of the Hill’s Diet formula.

    Guess what I was feeding my cat at that time…Max Cat Gourmet Classics from Nutro. I am just speculating, but I wonder if there is a connection?

  368. furmom says:

    LorieVA,
    What concerns me is not so much that you might mysteriously suffer a fatal “accident” (well that does concern me), but rather that if you or some other pet owner get results implicating a pet food company, that they will turn up with a nice check, an offer you can’t refuse,to shut up with your results and go away. Everyone has their price.

  369. Flamin says:

    Oh Great! I must have missed that one LorieVA. What I read was the excessive water drinking, loss of appetite, vomiting and lethargy. I thought vomiting up something, but not yellow foam. My vet said to make she he eats right away, since chis are prone to hypoglycemia. I was even waking him up in the night to feed him the puppy mini! Well he’s going to be 5 months June 15th, and he goes in to be nurtured then. He’s not vomiting the yellow foamy stuff anymore since I took him off the royal canin puppy mini 33. I did keep the contents of the bag in my freezer, just in case. Should I ask the vet if he should be tested for this before June 15th surgery? I wonder if the vet knows this is a symptom? I’m going to call his office when they open at 9am in 30 minutes.
    Oh great! I hope I wasn’t right about royal canin puppy mini 33.

  370. Ann Jackson says:

    Hi, Lynn. Thank you so much for your response and advice about Freedom’s trembling legs. I’ve had every test I can think of to check her heart and other major organs. I will defintiely check out the links you posted. Thanks.

    The thing is Freedom never had the trembling before she had the kidney failure from the food. And there are other things happening to her too. She has lost a lot of weight and many times won’t eat her food. She lost a portion of her tongue due to the kidney failure. She’s going blind in one eye, which could be a coincidence, but it happened only three weeks after her kidney faliure. She also got a serious infection in the blind eye about two weeks ago. I want to say she’s recovered because that’s what I wish but she hasn’t and probably never will. The vet told me she is very lucky to be alive. I have never been able to have children so Freedom has helped to fill this void. She means so much to me. My heart goes out to all who have lost pets or still have pets suffering.

    I really appreciate that you took the time to respond to me. It means a lot to me that we have this site to connect and help each other. If we all stick together and keep working on this, I know we can change things so that this will never happen again to anyone’s pet. Thanks, again, for your caring.

  371. LorieVA says:

    Flamin,

    if the puppy is acting normal you he or she is probably ok, i would just wait till normal appt on June 15th, if he is acting lazy, non playful, drinking or not drinking, refusing to eat, vomiting even bile, having trouble breathing, trembling, drooling, excessive lip licking or trouble with hind legs go sooner. the lucky ones seem to recover with just removal of bad food.

  372. LorieVA says:

    Flamin PS

    ALso eating lots of grass and not having reg potty breaks increase or decrease.

  373. LorieVA says:

    Ann Jackson,

    My cats had the leak shaking thing like they were stiff or asleep, vet said that was one of the symptoms of kidney problems. So if your dog is still recoveringthat is going to be one of the issues. : (

  374. Kathy says:

    Anyone know whether a 20 pound bag of the right Iams has been found?? I went to Wallyworld in Alamosa, CO—-no Iams large breed at all. Went to Big R—several 40 lb. bags of large breed, no 20s. I think I’ve covered everywhere here, but will check back over the weekend!

  375. Debbie4747 says:

    furmom Says:

    May 25th, 2007 at 11:26 am
    LorieVA,
    What concerns me is not so much that you might mysteriously suffer a fatal “accident” (well that does concern me), but rather that if you or some other pet owner get results implicating a pet food company, that they will turn up with a nice check, an offer you can’t refuse,to shut up with your results and go away. Everyone has their price.
    ******

    I’ve seen Lorie posting for weeks now. Her price is proving her cats were sickened by the food. I don’t see Lorie going away. I know I wouldn’t, even if the “men in black” or whoever showed up at my door.

  376. Flamin says:

    okay thanks LorieVA. He was drinking lots of water, and he does tremble cause his a chi. So I told the vet, but the vet said to just feed him more often. I’ll call at 9 this morning, and will insist on some blood work before the surgery just to be safe. Going under anesthesia to be nurtured, is out of the question if his kidneys are damaged. When I called Royal canin , they said the puppy mini 33 this was completely safe, and tested. However I took him off anyway, when they started recalling some products, and admitted finding cyanuric acid. So the possibility still remains. Thanks for the advice.

  377. LorieVA says:

    Furmom,

    Like Debbie4747 said I am not the type of person to sell my soul to the devil for any price, I just want justice for my girls and all the other pet owners and pets who have been lied too.

    I wouldn’t sell out for all the tea in CHINA……oops guess that not a funny anymore. But rest assured no amount of money could shut me up about this.

    This may sound strange but as I get older I prefer animal rights over human ones.

    Must be because most humans act like greedy hienas these days take the PFI as an example.

  378. LorieVA says:

    Flamin,

    My baby Geisha went under anesthesia during the poisoning to rule out hairball blockage because her food was not on the list. The food is still not on list vet found nothing in Scope and biopsy, said all signs once the biospy came back clean point to toxic pet food. BUT company won’t admit to a problem.

  379. Flamin says:

    Yes that’s what I’m afraid of too Lorie. So I will ask the vet to test his blood before going under anesthesia. I’m calling he vet now.

  380. Amy says:

    Furmom - I’ve gotten to know Lorie both on this board and in personal email exchange, and believe me, there is no price high enough for her to forget her principles and her love of animals. Actually she would probably take the check, image it or make a copy, and call the press and post it on Itchmo… but she would never cash that check. Nope. No way.

  381. Flamin says:

    Lorie,
    I just got off the phone with the vet’s office. As long as he’s not vomiting now, she said to wait till the June app. She did move the appt from June 20th, to the 7th. They do a pre surgery blood screen, and will let me know the results before the surgery if anything is elevated.
    She noted the Royal Canin puppy mini diet on his charts too. I reminded her about me telling her last month about the yellow foam vomit, and what she told me to feed him more during the night so he wouldn’t have an empty tummy in the morning. She did say if he is vomiting now to bring him in. Sheesh, why didn’t she tell me that last month.
    g2g take a shower, check one more store for 20 lb Iams Large Breed dry dog food. Check back here later today.
    Have a nice day everyone. Hope no bad news this Friday….

    Flamin

  382. Helen says:

    KiKi: I think the Method is a Target brand. If you don’t have a Target handy, Arm and Hammer “Free” formula is also good, and also does not cost more, usually less than the other brands.

  383. Amy says:

    Hey Helen!
    Method isn’t a Target brand but Target is one of two major national retailers to carry their product. I just checked the method website and it looks like it’s also available at Lowe’s. You can check for stores in your area here http://www.methodhome.com/supp.....cator.php, of course it is also available online. I’ve been really happy with their product so far…

    In the spirit of reduced consumption I am now shopping for a hybrid to replace my Jeep!

  384. TEALCSMOMMY says:

    Flamin, my two chis ate the Royal Canin Chihuahua 28 during the past two years along with human food. My 2 1/2 year old had several times thrown up I believe it was clear bile. Read that when you disturb their eating pattern ( was never a good eater), this could happen. A week before these recalls I brought him in for a dental cleaning, and the vet was concerned about his ALT liver enzymes. On a scale of 1-100, his was 298. The vet said to wait 3 months to test again to see if there is improvement and if further testing is needed. He told me that he was being poisoned in his enviroment or food supply. I notified Royal Canin by email after their recalls and asked them to check this particular product. They emailed me back saying it was ok.(Of course, I stopped feeding them this product). My little girl, 6 months old was also throwing up her food several times in the beginning. I just assumed she over exited herself too soon after eating (it was human food she threw up I believe). Anyway, my boy has finally put on weight. I home feed them now.

  385. Lynn says:

    Ann, the one thing I failed to say in my late night post was how very sorry I am about all this. No one ever has to explain to me how much their pet means to them - believe me, I know. Like you, I don’t have human kids, my dogs have been my kids. There is nothing, and I do mean nothing, I wouldn’t do for them.

    In reading your post here’s another thought, albeit simple, that might be a cause of her trembling: often losing weight and being underweight causes you to feel cold. So many possible causes.

    I’d like to impart some sound advice my vet gave me when my dog was going blind: gojg blind is not as huge a loss to a dog as it is to a human, as they have such magnificent other sensory mechanisms. He also told me explicitly to get rid of any furniture with sharp corners and NOT to rearrange furniture. As crazy as it sounds, he told me to put a blindfold on and to get on my knees, all fours, and to crawl around each room that my dog frequents. Gives you an idea of what might be bothersome in the way of furniture.

    Your best ally right now is going to be your veterinarian. If by any chance you don’t have complete confidence in him/her [and I’m NOT suggesting that you should not] just mention it on this website and perhaps your city/state and I’ll bet you get a ton of excellent recommendations from people in your area.

    My thoughts are with you and Freedom.

  386. TEALCSMOMMY says:

    I’ve also found some Method products in my supermarket, Stop & Shop.

  387. Sue says:

    Seventh Generation products are also really good to use, and they can usually be found in the grocery store. (And if not there, then in a health food store.)

    Also, there is a really good website http://www.cosemeticdatabase.com that the Environmental Working Group has. It has a huge database where you can look up products, ingredients or a company for that matter to see what kind of chemicals etc are being used. It’s really disqusting to see what kinds of chemicals are being put in everyday products and the damage that these chemicals can do.

  388. Sue says:

    UGH! I spelled it wrong - it should be www.cosmeticdatabase.com Sorry.

  389. Barbara says:

    Flamin,
    I don’t have a web site for the foamy vomit, but I think LorieVA pretty sumed it up. Lately mine started it again but I ‘ve been trying to change their food because they are on NB canned Venison & Green Pea so I know something has changed in it. They are scratch again & Muffin’s ears stay almost red again. I just got back from the pet store & found Calif. Natural Deep Water Fish & Salmon & Sweet Potato. When I came home there dishes still had food in them which is not normal for them since this morning. I opened the Salmon & Potato and they RAN for it. Dishes are empty! I’m looking for the Calif. Venison but can’t get it in the store here, so the lady is kind enough to order for me so I can get it sooner until I can order it on line IF they like it.
    There is a new company starting that makes Weruva, never heard of it before, but the lady says she has a hard time keeping it on the shelf. I picked up 2 cans but when I re-read the lable in the light, it has Menadion Sodium Bisuffite Complex which I’ve been reading on here is not the natural one. Could someone explain to me why this one is bad? I don’t remember. Sorry. The web site on the can is www.weruva.com. I haven’t had time to check it out yet.
    I would also change the puppy food to maybe Calif. Natural or EVO. From what others have been saying, that may be your best bet for now.
    I didn’t find that bag of IAMS either, I looked at Petsmart.

  390. Helen says:

    Thanks Amy. I have to use the Arm and Hammer Free because EVERYTHING makes me itch. Even a lot of “pure and natural” health food store soaps like Dr. Bronners make me itch. Once I find something “itchless” I hang with it. A&H breaks down easier and has less toxic crap in it than most brand name laundry soaps.

    Hurray for the hybrid! Did you know that Their Own Butt premium cat food and Everyone Else’s Butt premium dog food would love to buy your old jeep? It raises the mineral content in their foods. :P

  391. Jeanette says:

    No wonder my blood pressure keeps getting worse…every day more bad news. Perhaps the Kahlua cure tonight might help…
    A couple of burning questions here: DMS can you elaborate on the skin infections and bad odors?

    Is anyone reporting issues with Costco Kirkland Dry Chicken Puppy food? I got nowhere when I called corporate to ask about it and about the Kirkland Biscuits (made by American Nutrition I think…) they just gave me phone numbers to voicemails that never got returned. My roommate feeds it and my dogs munch it out of their bowls and get those cookies and Milk Bones… - my dogs arent looking so good all of a sudden and some pretty stupendous diarrhea. I have a call into the vet but..sigh..dont know if I can take much more…

    The vet tells me my dog who died in March wasnt related to the bad food but the more I hear on this blog the more I worry that I fed my baby something that killed her…She was weak and bleeding from the mouth and never bounced back - oh god did some stupid coporation kill my dog? I am sorry to rant on like some crazywoman but this is surreal.

    HELP

  392. Barbara says:

    Good one Helen!

  393. LorieVA says:

    Jeanette,

    What food was your poor dog eating……………………what did the vet say caused the bleeding out the mouth.

    To me that sounds like the rat poison food.

  394. Lorna says:

    It’s interesting that we haven’t heard anything about someone finding an alleged 20-pound bag of Iams Large Breed yet.
    Isn’t it?

    I looked in a pet store here in Ontario,just out of interest.(I do understand the Denver area is the one being looked at)They had a 17 1/2 -pound bag of the alleged brand.Used to be 20 pounds but has been changed recently.
    Same price.
    Was made in USA,but distributed from Toronto.

    Has it crossed anyone else’s mind that the alleged bags may allegedly have been immediately removed from store shelves when the alleged toxicolgy results hit the screen?

    Lorna

  395. LorieVA says:

    They 10 bags of the 20 lbs in BLOOM yesterday in VA, none matched though. Going to PETCO after work never made it yesterday to get kitty litter onlyplace that carries my brand that doesn’t make kitties sneeze. Will check there and Petsmart on way home. Will post what i find

  396. slt says:

    I’m in SC. The store I went to had only 22# “Bonus” size bags of the variety we are looking for so… no luck.

  397. Helen says:

    Lorna, they have done such a bad job removing food that HAS been recalled from shelves, there is bound to be some store that couldn’t manage to remove all the ones that have NOT been recalled YET, so everybody keep looking, and hurry up before it all disappears. :O

  398. Sandy says:

    I slept till 2:30 my time today so I will soon be off in seach of the bag of food..I can think of 3 stores around here that may carry it….wish we luck

  399. Louie says:

    Found this over at Petsitusa:

    http://petsitusa.com/blog/?p=344

  400. Barbara says:

    Jeanette,
    You may find the answer at http://www.the petfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg2.htm. Hope it helps.

  401. Barbara says:

    http://www.thepetfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg2.htm
    this is better

  402. sandi says:

    Ok, where is the info by Dr. Fox??

    Sandi

  403. DMS says:

    22 lb bonus sized iams is in tampa, too…!!!

  404. connie says:

    straybaby:
    a dog trembling? Yes I had one. 7 yd old 70 lb mix. turned diabetic in january. didnt want the food, throwing up, bloody stools(bad). 2 vets thought she “got into something”(not allowed off leash or she runs away). sugar was over 600. No one suspected the food.Enzyme levels were “slightly high”, at the time. She would not eat for 3 days. I forced broth into her for 2 days so something was in her. After almost a week, she started to eat on her own.
    We have 2 dogs. one got sick one did NOT. They WERE eating Beneful in january, including while dog was so ill. one day both dogs refused to touch it. after 3 days of refusals, bag was thrown away(it looked fine). Since beneful was removed, no more illness of any kind(except the diabeties, now under control). THEN I found doggybling & itchmo about the bad food experiences.
    When wet recalls started, I removed all 21 animals off store wet, & all instances of UTI or vomiting/regurgitating stopped. Ive all ready stated that I saw a visible difference in coats & activity & general “feel good” demeanor of them when I removed store wet & cooked ckn leg 1/4s w/broth for their wet. All are doing well. Im finally comfortable with the dry I chose & my cookings never killed anyone :)

  405. Ann Jackson says:

    Thank you, Lynn, and all who have given me advice. I really appreciate it. I am looking into everything I can, believe me. Like you and all the other kind people on this site who love their pets so much, I would also do anything for Freedom. She is the first dog I’ve ever owned.

    Freedom went blind in the one eye very quickly so she ran around the house in a panic, as if she knew something was happening to her. I think it really scared her, poor thing. Dr. M, my vet, told me the same thing about how dogs use their sense of smell. Thank you for reminding me. I find that comforting. She is lucky in one sense though. She has her own seeing eye person (me) to help her with what ever she needs.:)

    I’m actually very lucky to have found a great vet. He helped me save Freedom. He felt so bad for us when part of her tongue was in the process of dying and falling off that he kept Freedom for the day for me while I went to school and never charged me a cent for it. He gave her a bath, fluids, fed her and looked after her but decided not to charge me for it. I’ve never had that happen at a vet’s office before.:)

    Thanks, again, for caring.

  406. EGB says:

    Sandi, Here is the site for Dr Fox. It is scary stuff!!
    http://tedeboy.tripod.com/drmichaelwfox/

  407. Katie says:

    BELOW IS EMAIL FROM IAMS IN RESPONSE TO MY COMMENTS TO THEM VIA EMAIL FOR PULLING THE TOXICITY REPORT. MY ORIGINAL NOTE IS AT THE BOTTOM.

    From : Iams Customer Service
    Sent : Friday, May 25, 2007 5:44 PM
    Subject : Hello from Tina @ Iams!

    Dear Katie:

    Thank you for contacting P&G Pet Care. We are aware of the web blog posting on www.itchmo.com and we appreciate this opportunity to provide you with the facts.

    The article posted on Itchmo is false, and is unfortunately misleading consumers. As you know rumors of this nature can happen from time to time.

    P&G Pet Care has reviewed information on the chemical testing of the unconfirmed sample of dry dog food as reported on the blog site. Although the pet food brand tested cannot be verified because the sample was taken from an open unmarked bag, we take any reports of this type seriously. Consequently, we followed-up this rumor by testing retained samples of Iams Large Breed dry dog food from the very same product lot that was reported.

    Based on expert analytical testing, we were not able to quantify either melamine or cyanuric acid in the retained product samples tested. Most important, we have no information from any pet owners of any health issues associated with feeding Iams Large Breed dry pet food; therefore, we have confirmed that there is no reason for concern about these chemicals in this dry dog food or any other dry Iams or Eukanuba product.

    In addition, our manufacturing teams and scientists have confirmed that it is essentially impossible for melamine or cyanuric acid to get into a sealed bag of our dry pet foods. We are fully confident at this time that none of our dry foods contain any cyanuric acid or melamine.

    If you have any additional questions, please call Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Eastern Time at 800-675-3849.

    Sincerely,

    Tina
    Consumer Relations
    P&G Pet Care
    ——————————————————————————–

    From: katie
    Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:51 PM
    To: customer.service@iams.com
    Subject: A consumer message from Iams.com - en_US, Email Us

    [Comment:]ITCHMO recently listed a toxicity report of IAMS food and P & G contacted them to remove it. If it is the TRUTH, what right does your company have to work to withhold this information and possibly cause more deaths of animals? If there is subsequent corroboration of the tests with another sample, IAMS and P&G is going to have even greater liability AND I for one will suggest that ITCHMO make it clear that P&G took actions that suggest to me, the consumer, that the company does not want to be up-front with their customers. I used to feed Iams/Eukanuba, but I don’t anymore!!!!!

  408. Ruth says:

    I gues P&G and IAM’s don’t know what their product looks like. I have noticed that different brands of dry dog food each look different.

    IAM’s I have called you and complained about the MINI CHUNKS. So don’t say that your product is safe. You should check it again and again from Dec. to March food samples.

  409. connie says:

    Has anyone heard a new set of numbers from the post card blitz doggybling wanted a couple weeks ago? The fda came out with 4100 dead 2 days before the cards were to be sent.
    Also has there been ANY new news on Beneful?

  410. Trudy Jackson says:

    Hi Kellie, i’m finally back again. I sometimes feel the same way as you do, that no one really reads My posts.
    But I did find the web site that says Tide has fiberglass in it–
    http://www.the7thfire.com/HG/m.....mHome.html I hope this works good. There’s a lot of info on the site. Trudy

  411. Katie says:

    Connie re Beneful ……any news besides the fact that it is not a very good food in general? if using it, you may want to consider some other brand whether it has poison or not. read the ingredients. corn is the fist ingredient, right? the only thing it has going for it is good ADVERTISING. a lot of dog people/groups are condemning it not because it is the absolute worst, but is down there BUT they have such great advertising that poor folks who love their pups get suckered into buying it.

  412. Katie says:

    i meant “poor’ as in they get duped by the company who makes BENEFUL, not poor as in with less money…..

  413. connie says:

    no. as in any news about them recalling it. Ive already had my go round with beneful. never again.

  414. JJ says:

    EGB thanks for posting link for Dr. Michael Fox. Read a couple of things on his site - he is awesome! I want to work for him, it would be an honour.

  415. JJ says:

    Trudy just tried that link for the fiberglass in Tide. It does not work so hopefully you can find out what might be missing as to why it might not be working? Thx.

  416. Helen says:

    I have read some stories here at Itchmo where a dog that ate Beneful died bleeding out both ends. Whether the Beneful caused this or not, I cannot say, only what has been reported by some people who were feeding it.

  417. Trudy Jackson says:

    JJ and everyone, i’m sorry, I can’t get it to work now either. when you get time look up- Hazarddous chemicals in home- on the web.
    For now- I hope this one works-
    http://www.ghchealth.com/forum.....on-196.php
    You have to go down a little and then you’ll see about tide. so sorry.

  418. juli28428 says:

    Amy — “Maybe that’s China’s master plan? Kill our pets, we drink when we grieve, we all get cirrhosis of the liver and die. They take over our country.”

    That is SO funny and during this stressful time, I had to laugh myself silly over the comment! But you know, it might just be true. It certainly sounds sensible to me, like an act of terroism.

    I love this site — I come to it to keep informed and worry with others about their pets, and more especially the strays that are being fed commercial food. I don’t worry about my dog anymore - after the recall, I threw away the cans of Pro Plan and started home cooked meals for him. I was SO nervous at first but his vet said everything is fine with what I’m doing. It’s not always to easy and there’s a lot of kitchen clean up but I know what’s going into his body and it’s actually less expensive than Pro Plan. I buy lean ground beef, stew beef or chicken on sale (no pork, the vet said) cook it, drain the fat, add cooked pasta, a little rice, finely mashed carrots and cottage cheese. When he gets bored with that, I make a large pot of macaroni and cheese and add his vitamins. Instead of doggie bones, he eats peanut butter and crackers or cheese and crackers. This morning for breakfast, he had seven peanut butter and cheese sandwiches. I know that’s going to make some of you flip out but this 10-year old (rescue) 96 pound boy’s fur has never looked so good.
    It’s the feral cats that I feed which I worry about - they get Purina Kitten Chow and Friskies canned food. There are so many, I can’t cook for them all.
    This is too long — sorry.

  419. JJ says:

    Trudy thanks for taking the time to find that link - it works perfectly.

  420. Ruth says:

    I watched to late,late,FoxNews and saw a story on China’s gaining military power. Very scary story… earlier this week I read a story in the local paper about China buying into the equity firm of Blackstone company. And found this story on the web….
    preview.straitstimes.com/Latest+News/Money/STIStory_121565.html

    Read it and draw your own conclusion….. not a pretty picture. And the greed continues…

  421. Don says:

    Did you know the LD 50 for cyanuric acid is 8 grams per kilogram of body weight? LD 50 is the dose that will kill 50% of the subjects receiving it. For example, a 20 kilogram or 44 pound dog, the LD 50 would be 20 times 8 grams, or 160 grams, or nearly 6 ounces of the stuff.

    Table salt is slightly more toxic than melamine at an LD 50 of 3 grams per kilogram of body weight. The LD 50 of the crystals formed by mixing cyanuric acid with melamine is 2.5 grams per kilogram in body weight.

    The problem with all the speculation about cyanuric acid, melamine, and related substances is that none of them are particularly toxic. Plus, the concentrations reported so far are way, way, way short of the LD 50.

    For the lab animals killed in the Menu Foods tests to die as quickly as they did would require them to have been fed concentrations of melamine at least 10-20 times the maximum amount reported to be in the food. Once the animals were killed with super high concentrations of melamine, the bodies were shipped off to the University of Guelph so their lab could confirm the evil Chinese were behind the whole thing.

    The one thing we can be sure of is that we have so far been told a pack of lies that are part of a huge FDA and corporate cover up.

  422. Barbara says:

    Don,
    Are you in chemistry? That is interesting information.

  423. Do You Feed Your Pet Iams? | Elaine Vigneault’s diary - blogging, technology, food, vegetarianism, animals, pets, travel, politics, and feminism all rolled up into one unique blog. says:

    […] Why do they want it? Because some pet foods have been tested and they’re coming back positive for melamine or cyranuric acid. These are foods that haven’t been added to the recall lists. More at Itchmo. […]

  424. A. Sledge says:

    DMS: I have a dog with a stubborn problem on the tips of her ears. Would love to discuss this issue with you.

  425. JJ says:

    Don appreciate the information. Had no idea salt was that strong. I sprinkle it into my carpeting to kill fleas as I do not use chemical laden products that would remain on my carpeting and in my curtains, mattress, couch, etc. Salt you can vacuum up after it suffocates the fleas and throw the bag out. Maybe someone is running a test for all toxic substances that would be in the pet food and can report to us what did really kill and harm the pets. One question Don - would not the melamine have a cumulative affect over time in a pets system since it was found in so many brands of pet food? Or another possibility could the melamine also have been part of the bags, pouches the food is packed in? Or some other chemical given off from the packaging leaching into the food? Appreciate any information you could provide on these questions. Thx.

  426. k says:

    Debbie 4747, I hear you and agree 100%; greed and lack of ethics is the cause of this entire mess, plain and simple. I suspect we’d never have known about any of this stuff if someone hadn’t gotten extra greedy and spiked the various cereal products with even more of the toxins than usual since the spiking has been going on for at least 15 years according to some newspaper articles.

    I’m absolutely furious that our governments have apparently decided that serving the corporate sector is their primary role, that “we the people” don’t count for much at all, and that the concept of doing the right thing seems to have been lost in the money chase.

  427. Iams Large Breed Dry Dog Food « Flamingo’s Lake says:

    […] the story here and check to see if you have an unopened bag with that lot number. […]

  428. e wem says:

    k says “I’m absolutely furious that our governments have apparently decided that serving the corporate sector is their primary role, that “we the people” don’t count for much at all”

    That is it in a nutshell. When did this happen?

    This is the same reason the Congress and President are ignoring the wishes of the people and pushed the amnesty bill for 30million illegal immigrants through this weekend. We the people are simply ‘problems’. The illegals are not even going to be required to pay back taxes. But don’t complain

    China now has 1.2 trillion in extra American dollars to spend. One web site puts our national debt at 8 trillion. Yet the junk made in China is sold to us at American prices.

    It started with Nike shoes. They had shoes made in Asian sweatshops for $5 a pair and sold them for $250 a pair. Even after people learned of this the price did not drop a lot.

    I get really tired of people saying we will have to pay more if we want to go back to American made products. Get real. The middlemen are charging us American prices for foreign junk right now.

    Why should the prices go up? They will go up only if the resellers want to continue to make obscene profits.

    I talked with a lady whose family are farmers. She told me they were getting almost the same price per bushel for wheat they got during the depression. The middlemen are getting the profit. What did bread cost then?

    Farmers don’t have much choice on who to sell to unless they have a truck farm and go through a farmers market.

    This new pack of crooks have no nation. Their loyalty is to profit. Any human who stands in their way is a problem that must be removed, or dealt with or stifled (like itchmo). The last thing the big guys want to do is reform their ways.

    What is a pet to them? A pet is a garbage grinder recycler that is owned by a complaining whiner who won’t get with the program

    They would be happy to feed us a bunch of melamine to shut us up except then who would buy their crappy recycled Chinese garbage pet food? How sad to be torn between hating the pet owners and loving the pet owner’s purses

  429. JJ says:

    e wem says:

    This new pack of crooks have no nation.

    So very right and they do not deserve ours. In order to make a significant change we need to just stop buying this foreign made food, good, etc. No need for trade barriers, sanctions, etc. Let the stuff come here. The people just refuse to open their wallets. Buy american produced and made only. The crooks will have to do something. They cant force you to spend money so simple thing to do - don’t. Pet food sales are down all over and I have yet to see any of these companies making any type of announcement as to saying sorry for your pain and your pets. Why you ask? Cause they probably had full knowledge of this cheap substance among other substance’s that they buy cheap from foreign countries rather than support an american company that would produce safe ingredients and vitamins here, nah, poisoning your pet or yourself makes more sense by this cheap cwap thats added for fake benefits when only thing they are after is the almighty dollar. So stop spending that dollar and use it for American produced and made here so the jobs will come back home. Suppport your local farmers market as much as you can and hopefully buy more local and more organic as your money allows, I know I’m not well off and a lot of other pet lovers are in a similar situation. If we all hang in there we can make a difference. We have already with the pet sales being down and continue to drop as more are made aware of what has happened.

  430. Barbara says:

    e wem & JJ,
    Your both SSSOOOOO right! I only buy my meats & produce at the market &/or the small country stores around here. I know its safe for my family to eat. If I had a sure fire receipe for cat food that they WILL eat, I’d be cooking for them also. They don’t like what I make.
    Where can you get American make products here in Boyertown or Pottstown Pa.? It’s VERY hard to find anything made here.

  431. terri says:

    http://www.wysong.net/

    I had to do some research for healthy pet foods a few years ago for my white German Shepherd who was born with so many health problems. I am passing this link along to everyone because they produce this food locally in my state and I believe they have extremely strong ethical values. Sadly, my Shepherd died recently (though it was not because of the food) but while she was here Wysong pet food and education really helped to make her life longer and of better quality

  432. Rockman13 says:

    Kirsten Says: “The reason I think this is dramatic is because the sample appears to have tested *negative* for melamine, but *positive* for cyanuric acid. This is the first time I, for one, have seen this type of test result. Therefore, if companies continue to test for melamine alone, it doesn’t confirm that the food is actually “clean”, does it?”

    True.
    Both melamine and cyanuric acid are possible additives that will give a false boost to the protein assay tests on the Chinese gluten exports. So, either one or both can be used to deceive the purchaser of the adulterated glutens.

    Both melamine & cyanuric acid are considered harmless to dogs, cats & humans. It will pass thru the animal unmodified. However, two coombined in the same diet can form crystals in the animal’s kidneys causing the kidney failure!

    The real culprits in this whole fiasco are the Chinese criminals that have been purposely adulterating their gluten exports to boost their profits!

    See:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05.....9food.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_pet_food_crisis

  433. Itchmo » Blog Archive » Recall Update: Tuesday says:

    […] Iams Sample Search Update: We have located 2 bags. Thank you for all your help. We’ll release test results as soon as we have them. It may take up to a few weeks. Here’s the original post. […]

  434. slt says:

    Thank goodness someone came up with the matching bags. I completely struck out at the stores I checked.

  435. doug says:

    China says USA bargain hunters share responsibility. Absolutely! I buy materials all the time to build quality furniture for people. If I get junk I have two choices return it or pass the junk on. I return it and drop the supplier. This cost me time and money but helps me sleep and my kids respect me. IMHO the Pet food Companies new they were getting crap and they didn’t care. Menu and the rest of you, if disagree with me, then prove it. Publish all you testing records for the last 5 years. Pet food buyers should act just like the IRS from now, guilty till proven innocent. Your bed, try to sleep in it. We are keeping a list…..

  436. Valerie says:

    Don- This does not surprise me. I have 11 dogs of which I was putting a tablespoon of canned food ( later recalled) on top of each bowl. Just a tablespoon! I had yellow yucky bile barfing within a few minutes by some of them after eating. That sounds like it was very concentrated to me.
    It is so devastating that I trusted these companies. I’m sure my very old Whippet died from this even after switching to homemade and a quality natural kibble about 3 months ago. It had to be causing damage since it was in the food for so many months. No more bile barfing since I switched.
    “For the lab animals killed in the Menu Foods tests to die as quickly as they did would require them to have been fed concentrations of melamine at least 10-20 times the maximum amount reported to be in the food.”

  437. Ownedby5 says:

    You will find that it will reach further then the large Breed food. I was feeding the Tiny bites and the overweight as well. Since probably January, three of my 5 were throwing up stomach bile, eating grass, very loose stool ect. Then, they just did not want to eat it. After the news of the contaminated food broke, I stopped feeding them this and it cleared up within a few weeks.

    I have 4 other people that were also feeding Iams dry some were large breed and the others were puppy. They were having the same issues I was having.

  438. Phyllis says:

    Trudy — your link does not work. I am using a computer at the university library and it is very up to date. I want to send the info to my oldest daughter.

  439. Phyllis says:

    Just a quick reminder for kidney detox — get some common juniper tincture made by Unda or Dolisos. Add a few drops to the pets’ water or put a couple of drops under the tongue. Cats use 1-4 drops a day depending on size. see thepetwhisperer.com for more information on Gemmotherapy. As a human, I use 25 drops 3 x a day, but when I was really sick, and on chemo, I used 50 drops. It does not interfere with pharmaceutical medications.

  440. Itchmo » Blog Archive » Recall Update: Tuesday says:

    […] reported on a lab report linking Iams Large Breed dry food and cyanuric acid several days ago. Since then, with the help of our readers, we have been able to locate 2 unopened […]

  441. Anonymous says:

    Itchmo: Will you also test for acetaminophen (Tylenol)? Any results from the two bags sent in by members? Thank you for testing!

  442. Itchmo » Blog Archive » Itchmo Reader Reports Acetaminophen In Pet Food says:

    […] we were breaking news of a Texas lab reporting cyanuric acid in unrecalled food, an Itchmo reader informed us that he had a lab test turn up positive for […]

  443. Hannah says:

    I’m not surprised that Proctor & Gamble (parent company of Iams) put pressure on the test lab to have you remove the test lab findings from your post. Why they would care is beyond me. It’s a known fact that they are one of the biggest unecessary”animal test” companies around. Peta’s been after them for years and they don’t seem to give a flying fig. As per all the other recall companies, the bottom $ seems to be all that matters. I for one have boycotted any product P&G manufactures (INCLUDING pet food!) and have been searching high and low for a “safe” food for my babies. My heart goes out to all of you that have suffered a loss or are in the midst of a crisis. We CAN make a difference. Pet warriors arise!

  444. Rockman13 says:

    To Don May 26th, 2007 at 6:56 am Says: “…The one thing we can be sure of is that we have so far been told a pack of lies that are part of a huge FDA and corporate cover up.”

    You comment that it is all a pack of lies just now reminded me of something that has not shown up on any pet blog. And that is that not every animal has the same susceptibility for an adverse effect to something. Just as size, breed, gender and species all effect an animals reaction to something ingested, so to does age and health status. A pet with pre-existing kidney damage/disease could easily be killed by a poison dose but which would have such a minimal effect on healthy pets, that the healthy pet owner would never be aware that anything is a miss. Just as the deadliness of e-coli in humans varies widely between the young, adult and elderly or those with weak immune systems, so to could/would there be wide differences in reactions among the cats and dogs. Just ask your vet or family doctor.

    The age and health status hasn’t been mentioned by the FDA, veterinarians or pet owners, that I have noticed. This could possibly explain some of of the unknowns that people are attributing to lies and intentional deceit.

  445. Rockman13 says:

    To Kirsten May 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pm Says: “The reason I think this is dramatic is because the sample appears to have tested *negative* for melamine, but *positive* for cyanuric acid. This is the first time I, for one, have seen this type of test result.”

    By the very nature of the chemical process of extracting ammonia from coal, by which the scrap melamine was produced in China, cyanuric acid and several other related compounds are produced. The combination of these chemicals in the scrap melamine and the fact that the Chinese have an over supply of melamine is why this scrap melamine is scrap!

    Since this case was an OPENED IAMS bag, and only cyanuric acid was found in it, these facts greatly raise the suspicion that this is as case of criminal food tampering on the part of someone who “has an ax to grind” with IAMS/P&G. These various pet blogs are full of suspects - I don’t mean everybody, just that there are a lot more than just 1.

    Something to think about.

  446. barb says:

    Be careful not to look at the food as the be-all, end-all, and cause-all of your dogs’ problems.
    I see a lot of people posting things here and automatically blaming tainted food. You do your dogs a huge dis-service that way. It could be something else entirely, and you need to keep looking until you find out what it is. Don’t just assume that changing the food will fix your dog.
    Example, a lot of people post about vomiting foamy bile. Believe it or not, that’s not just common, it’s considered normal for dogs. It can be a sign of hunger, stress, acid indigestion (try pepcid), low blood sugar, or even swallowing a foreign object. Don’t just assume it’s the food. Sometimes changing the food will help, as certain foods take longer to digest and will alleviate the problem.
    As far as raised ALT enzyme, and someone said the vet said “its’ something in the food”, you may have misunderstood that comment from the vet. In cases of toxins, you will see not just the ALT but also the AST go up, and they go up by a factor of 5-10 times normal. However, with a raised ALT a lot of vets will recommend an ultrasound to be sure there isn’t neoplastic activity causing the mild increase.
    The raised ALT is a classic symptom of a true medical food intolerance, called inflammatory bowel disease (not to be confused with irritable bowel disease in humans) which means the dog can’t digest something that it’s eating. Over time, it can cause some serious problems. These dogs are typically put onto a single protein/single carbohydrate diet and then re-test the enzyme after about 6 months. Severe cases will require steroids and anti-inflammatories. The IBD can only be confirmed by intestinal biopsy. It’s not that uncommon in dogs OR cats. Symptoms can come and go, and include diarrhea and/or vomiting, mild or acute, depending on the severity of the problems. Some dogs have no symptoms at all except the raised ALT enzyme. Most common culprit is beef, second is glutens.
    Another thing is the raised kidney enzymes. Yes, it can come from food. But it can also come from a host of other problems, one of which in dogs is a low level of leptospirosis. That disease needs to be treated with a long term course of antibiotics. Sometimes it’s only picked up through elevated kidney values on a routine blood test….IF the vet thinks to test for lepto.
    My point is not that a lot of food out there isn’t terrible, nor is it that some of the foods are making pets sick. My point is, do your pet a huge favor, don’t just assume all their problems are caused by the food until you have ruled out EVERYTHING else, even if it means seeing a different vet.

  447. gary says:

    I am just enquiring, does anyone know if pet foods in the uk contain pentobarital, if so can you advise of which foods.

    thank you

    gary

  448. Matt says:

    I have a malamute. I have fed her the IAMS dry large chunks for years. I opened a new bag 2 weeks ago. Her health deteriorated immediately. She vomited, had the shakes, convulsed, and finally refused to eat the food. My vet pulled her from the brink of death after feeding her rice and soup and monitoring her for 4 straight days as she went through hell. Then she miraculously recovered (I had even told the vet that maybe we should euthanize her, she looked so bad). For 3 days she was her old self. Not realizing what was causing this, I decided to wet down her “good old IAMS dry food” and give her “her old favorite”. The food was the consistancy of mush for easy eating. When I put it in front of her, instead of pouncing on it like she usually does, she looked at me for about 5 seconds and then started to tentatively eat it. Something clicked - All her problems had started when I started on this new bag of food. I thought that if she got sick that night, I now knew the answer. That night was hell as she vomited, and had MAJOR convulsions and was SO sick. I had my answer. I stopped the food, went back to rice and soup and now am back on canned food and she was better in a single day. Coincidence? I don’t think so. I have a call into FDA. I live in the Denver area which fits your description. Unfortunately, the bag is open. Believe me, I’m not into scandals and such drivil - DON’T FEED YOUR ANIMAL THIS PRODUCT!!! I pretty much ran the perfect test, unknowingly risking my pet to get the results and the results were conclusive. Contact me if you want samples from this bag - I would LOVE to help put this to rest - and IAMS for what they did to my pet.

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  451. Jenny says:

    I was looking around online for information about other people finding stuff in the dog food and found you. It looks like your site might be helpful for my problem.

    I was hand feeding my dog some iams food and got a sharp pain in my finger when I reached in her bowl for another handful. Upon opening my hand I found a piece of iams food stuck in my finger with a sharp something or other protruding from the kibble. It was obviously “baked” in or however they make their food. I saved the piece of kibble with the shard of whatever it may be…looks to me like glass. It is very sharp and protruded far enough out of the kibble to actually peirce my flesh and stay there while moving my hand around. I have no
    doubt that it would have been a danger to my dog and believe it could have caused her to have bleeding of the
    mouth and/or digestive tract.

    I called Iams to tell them about it but was only able to leave a message. I will have to wait to hear from them.

    Meanwhile, I am thinking how bags have sharp pieces like this in them? How many people have fed these to their
    dogs and not known why the dogs have blood in their mouths or worse. So I thought this site might be a way for
    me to let other pet owners to keep a watch for these things or change foods.

    From what I see here, I don’t have alot of confidence anyone would hear about it from Iams.

    The bag this kibble was from is: Iams Small and Toy Proactive Health 7 pound bag
    The numbers on the bags are: 290310 29MAR10 Next line of numbers: 83344173 D1 US30940


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