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		<title>By: Alex from Embrace</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28741</link>
		<author>Alex from Embrace</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@e wem: IAMS actually bought its stake in VPI back in 2003 I think, it was definitely a while ago. They own roughly 10% of the company IIRC. As for your point about catastrophic coverage, our company is the only one currently offering it with a $500 deductible. Sounds counterintuitive but the higher deductible drops the premium dramatically, often 30 - 50% versus a $100 deductible. I recommend anyone with insurance - homeowners, auto, whatever - get a high deductible if possible. Then you can use the insurance to cover you for the *really* expensive stuff, which is after all what insurance is about.

@Mo: We got a lot of ex-VPI customers calling us these days. One person pointed out that ten years ago VPI did a great job and was very responsive but that nowadays they drag the chain on everything. We heard of one person today who waited 69 days for her claim to be assessed. Keep reading Laura's blog for news of when we'll be in your state!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@e wem: IAMS actually bought its stake in VPI back in 2003 I think, it was definitely a while ago. They own roughly 10% of the company IIRC. As for your point about catastrophic coverage, our company is the only one currently offering it with a $500 deductible. Sounds counterintuitive but the higher deductible drops the premium dramatically, often 30 - 50% versus a $100 deductible. I recommend anyone with insurance - homeowners, auto, whatever - get a high deductible if possible. Then you can use the insurance to cover you for the *really* expensive stuff, which is after all what insurance is about.</p>
<p>@Mo: We got a lot of ex-VPI customers calling us these days. One person pointed out that ten years ago VPI did a great job and was very responsive but that nowadays they drag the chain on everything. We heard of one person today who waited 69 days for her claim to be assessed. Keep reading Laura&#8217;s blog for news of when we&#8217;ll be in your state!</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28665</link>
		<author>Mo</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28665</guid>
		<description>Just want to add my 2 cents as a vet insurance policy holder since 1998.  There are some good arguments put forth here about the potential for the ins companies to raise rates, etc., if more people buy ins for their pets, but Alex addresses those questions well in that the vets aren't connected to the ins companies and don't answer to them.  Although it's possible that some vets will adjust their rates due to clients holding insurance policies, but those vets would never get my business again and they'd never lay a finger on any of my cats.  It's a free market - you're not tied down to using a vet in the way we are so often tied to medical docs because of an insurance policy.  Your vet works for your pet and for you.  Period.  There are plenty of caring and ethical vets that you can start using if yours isn't satisfactory.

I wouldn't be surprised if the $95 x-ray charge was simply typically $95...which is why the insurance pays that amount, not the other way around.  It's unlikely that all the vets the poster spoke to just happened to adjust their rates to match the insurance company.  Diagnostics such as xrays are pretty straightforward - you could call a nearby city and see what they charge.

Regarding the post that states pet insurance is worthless:  I've paid close to $40,000 in vet bills in less than 15 years, and 8 of those years I had insurance coverage which paid for a total of about $10-$15,000.  I'd never consider asking my vet to allow me to make payments on those kinds of bills.  With the insurance I'm able to make the best use of all the resources available to my cats...not only my vet's skills (and she is THE BEST), but the fantastic specialists she's referred me to when her specialty wasn't enough.  (I will spend the rest of my life paying off that $40K, in case it might appear that I'm wealthy or something...no such luck.)

In terms of VPI, I have to say their customer service is hands-down the WORST.  I've spoken with several other companies over the phone and without exception, they've all been polite, pleasant and helpful.  I dread calling VPI for anything because (1) there's almost always a very long hold-time, and (2) their service reps don't seem to give a hoot.  One girl told me that all heart disease was considered congenital so I didn't submit claims for my cat for 2-3 years when he developed heart disease.  One day I gave it a try, and the heart disease was covered (his wasn't congenital)...I lost out on thousands of dollars in claims paid.   They're going to have to revamp their customer service to stay competitive.  

I want to look into Embrace but it's not available in my state.  I saw a post from Laura in another forum that indicated it'll soon be available in the Northwest, so I'll be checking back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to add my 2 cents as a vet insurance policy holder since 1998.  There are some good arguments put forth here about the potential for the ins companies to raise rates, etc., if more people buy ins for their pets, but Alex addresses those questions well in that the vets aren&#8217;t connected to the ins companies and don&#8217;t answer to them.  Although it&#8217;s possible that some vets will adjust their rates due to clients holding insurance policies, but those vets would never get my business again and they&#8217;d never lay a finger on any of my cats.  It&#8217;s a free market - you&#8217;re not tied down to using a vet in the way we are so often tied to medical docs because of an insurance policy.  Your vet works for your pet and for you.  Period.  There are plenty of caring and ethical vets that you can start using if yours isn&#8217;t satisfactory.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the $95 x-ray charge was simply typically $95&#8230;which is why the insurance pays that amount, not the other way around.  It&#8217;s unlikely that all the vets the poster spoke to just happened to adjust their rates to match the insurance company.  Diagnostics such as xrays are pretty straightforward - you could call a nearby city and see what they charge.</p>
<p>Regarding the post that states pet insurance is worthless:  I&#8217;ve paid close to $40,000 in vet bills in less than 15 years, and 8 of those years I had insurance coverage which paid for a total of about $10-$15,000.  I&#8217;d never consider asking my vet to allow me to make payments on those kinds of bills.  With the insurance I&#8217;m able to make the best use of all the resources available to my cats&#8230;not only my vet&#8217;s skills (and she is THE BEST), but the fantastic specialists she&#8217;s referred me to when her specialty wasn&#8217;t enough.  (I will spend the rest of my life paying off that $40K, in case it might appear that I&#8217;m wealthy or something&#8230;no such luck.)</p>
<p>In terms of VPI, I have to say their customer service is hands-down the WORST.  I&#8217;ve spoken with several other companies over the phone and without exception, they&#8217;ve all been polite, pleasant and helpful.  I dread calling VPI for anything because (1) there&#8217;s almost always a very long hold-time, and (2) their service reps don&#8217;t seem to give a hoot.  One girl told me that all heart disease was considered congenital so I didn&#8217;t submit claims for my cat for 2-3 years when he developed heart disease.  One day I gave it a try, and the heart disease was covered (his wasn&#8217;t congenital)&#8230;I lost out on thousands of dollars in claims paid.   They&#8217;re going to have to revamp their customer service to stay competitive.  </p>
<p>I want to look into Embrace but it&#8217;s not available in my state.  I saw a post from Laura in another forum that indicated it&#8217;ll soon be available in the Northwest, so I&#8217;ll be checking back.</p>
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		<title>By: e wem</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28557</link>
		<author>e wem</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere I read people medical costs  skyrocketing when Medicare started. Why charge $10 if Medicare will pay $20 for that procedure?

I was shocked when my cat had a urinary blockage and every vet I called charged $95 exactly for the first x-ray. not 92 or 93 but 95. The vets had medical insurance booklets on display.

That said, we get a lot more medical treatment for the money than we did in 1950. I felt my cats got better medical care then I got from my own doctors.  That is a problem because the vets have such high standards they won't lower them and it becomes all or nothing. If you dont have the bucks it is home remedies.

I would love catastrophic coverage for my pets. Accidents, emergency surgery and hospitalization.

The pet insurance sites are confusing to me. Even though I can't buy insurance now due to financial setbacks, I would like to see a few simple clear examples of coverage. Like a chart that shows range of catastrophic premiums by state for cats and dogs of different ages, or breeds. A simple disclaimer like: we do not cover the following, and our reimbursements typically cover 30 percent of cost would give you something to go on.

I don't get life insurance quotes either because they want you to fill in an application and wait to be contacted by a rep. I can't buy right now so I do not want to go there

Since the vets have already pegged their charges to the insurance payouts, I think everyone getting a kitten or puppy ought to consider buying in.

Why couldn't pet insurers set up a catastrophic for old cats? Couldnt they set it up to pay out no more than a healthy young cat would get and exclude age related surgeries or extra hospital days? Old creatures have more complications, but at least it would get a broken bone set in a cast. My himi was 8 when she was rescued a few years ago. Old cats would thank you 

Now that I see IAMs is buying into VPI that is out. IAMs food poisoned my babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere I read people medical costs  skyrocketing when Medicare started. Why charge $10 if Medicare will pay $20 for that procedure?</p>
<p>I was shocked when my cat had a urinary blockage and every vet I called charged $95 exactly for the first x-ray. not 92 or 93 but 95. The vets had medical insurance booklets on display.</p>
<p>That said, we get a lot more medical treatment for the money than we did in 1950. I felt my cats got better medical care then I got from my own doctors.  That is a problem because the vets have such high standards they won&#8217;t lower them and it becomes all or nothing. If you dont have the bucks it is home remedies.</p>
<p>I would love catastrophic coverage for my pets. Accidents, emergency surgery and hospitalization.</p>
<p>The pet insurance sites are confusing to me. Even though I can&#8217;t buy insurance now due to financial setbacks, I would like to see a few simple clear examples of coverage. Like a chart that shows range of catastrophic premiums by state for cats and dogs of different ages, or breeds. A simple disclaimer like: we do not cover the following, and our reimbursements typically cover 30 percent of cost would give you something to go on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get life insurance quotes either because they want you to fill in an application and wait to be contacted by a rep. I can&#8217;t buy right now so I do not want to go there</p>
<p>Since the vets have already pegged their charges to the insurance payouts, I think everyone getting a kitten or puppy ought to consider buying in.</p>
<p>Why couldn&#8217;t pet insurers set up a catastrophic for old cats? Couldnt they set it up to pay out no more than a healthy young cat would get and exclude age related surgeries or extra hospital days? Old creatures have more complications, but at least it would get a broken bone set in a cast. My himi was 8 when she was rescued a few years ago. Old cats would thank you </p>
<p>Now that I see IAMs is buying into VPI that is out. IAMs food poisoned my babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex from Embrace</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28474</link>
		<author>Alex from Embrace</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28474</guid>
		<description>@elliott: The main article from the Itchmo blog has the link to the Embrace website, you can get a quote there.

@kaefamily: Yours is a very good question! In the case of many purebred dogs the age is known precisely. But for a mixed breed that might have come out of a shelter we usually ask that the veterinarian take a best guess looking at teeth and overall condition of the pet (although I understand that new techniques involving retinal imaging can narrow the age band considerably). So for a dog estimated at between 5 and 7 then take the average - six years old.

@Mikken: I agree, titers do not provide immunity. But at least armed with the information on antibody levels you &#38; your vet can make an educated guess about your pet's needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@elliott: The main article from the Itchmo blog has the link to the Embrace website, you can get a quote there.</p>
<p>@kaefamily: Yours is a very good question! In the case of many purebred dogs the age is known precisely. But for a mixed breed that might have come out of a shelter we usually ask that the veterinarian take a best guess looking at teeth and overall condition of the pet (although I understand that new techniques involving retinal imaging can narrow the age band considerably). So for a dog estimated at between 5 and 7 then take the average - six years old.</p>
<p>@Mikken: I agree, titers do not provide immunity. But at least armed with the information on antibody levels you &amp; your vet can make an educated guess about your pet&#8217;s needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28470</link>
		<author>Lynne</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Alex but I still think all insurance is a scam.</description>
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		<title>By: kaefamily</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28436</link>
		<author>kaefamily</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28436</guid>
		<description>How is a mutt's age determined? Our little mixed breed terrier is from a kill pound. He is between 5 and 7 years of age depending on which vet he sees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is a mutt&#8217;s age determined? Our little mixed breed terrier is from a kill pound. He is between 5 and 7 years of age depending on which vet he sees.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikken</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28426</link>
		<author>Mikken</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28426</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the reply, Alex from Embrace.  While I disagree that titers provide any measure of true immunity (or that immunity can be "boostered"),  I am pleased to hear that you are not pushing annual vaccinations.  Most of us who adopt adult rescues are already dealing with so many vaccine-induced issues in these animals, there's no need to add to them...ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, Alex from Embrace.  While I disagree that titers provide any measure of true immunity (or that immunity can be &#8220;boostered&#8221;),  I am pleased to hear that you are not pushing annual vaccinations.  Most of us who adopt adult rescues are already dealing with so many vaccine-induced issues in these animals, there&#8217;s no need to add to them&#8230;ever.</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28423</link>
		<author>elliott</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28423</guid>
		<description>Alex From Embrace - can you give me a quote, or a site for one?</description>
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		<title>By: Alex from Embrace</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28394</link>
		<author>Alex from Embrace</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28394</guid>
		<description>@Becky: Large breed dogs certainly are predisposed to musculoskeletal issues. We think pet insurance should behave like human health insurance in this regard and we've tried hard to build pet insurance that doesn't leave you guessing about which genetic conditions, if any, are covered.

@Bj - You are right. Unfortunately we are not able to offer illness insurance to new dogs over age 6 (purebreed) or age 8 (mixed breed). However any dog that enters prior to these age limits will continue to receive full coverage for the duration as long as they're with us, no matter how old they are.

@Mikken: Our philosophy on vaccinations is open-minded. We do not insist on them yearly but we do like to see "core" vaccinations started as puppies/kittens. Personally I'd rather see a pet receive his initial vaccination then a regular titer to determine whether he needs a vaccine top up. I think the AAHA Vaccination Guidelines for dogs(http://www.aahanet.org/About_aaha/About_Guidelines_Canine06.html)and ) and the AAFP Guidelines for cats (http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf) make a lot of sense and it seems that many veterinarians are coming to the same conclusion - it's easy to over-vaccinate, less *can* be healthy too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky: Large breed dogs certainly are predisposed to musculoskeletal issues. We think pet insurance should behave like human health insurance in this regard and we&#8217;ve tried hard to build pet insurance that doesn&#8217;t leave you guessing about which genetic conditions, if any, are covered.</p>
<p>@Bj - You are right. Unfortunately we are not able to offer illness insurance to new dogs over age 6 (purebreed) or age 8 (mixed breed). However any dog that enters prior to these age limits will continue to receive full coverage for the duration as long as they&#8217;re with us, no matter how old they are.</p>
<p>@Mikken: Our philosophy on vaccinations is open-minded. We do not insist on them yearly but we do like to see &#8220;core&#8221; vaccinations started as puppies/kittens. Personally I&#8217;d rather see a pet receive his initial vaccination then a regular titer to determine whether he needs a vaccine top up. I think the AAHA Vaccination Guidelines for dogs(http://www.aahanet.org/About_aaha/About_Guidelines_Canine06.html)and ) and the AAFP Guidelines for cats (http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf) make a lot of sense and it seems that many veterinarians are coming to the same conclusion - it&#8217;s easy to over-vaccinate, less *can* be healthy too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikken</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/looking-for-pet-insurance-1025#comment-28389</link>
		<author>Mikken</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many insurers insist on regular vaccination - which, imo, only causes more disease.  I won't submit to their idea of "health" for my animals, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many insurers insist on regular vaccination - which, imo, only causes more disease.  I won&#8217;t submit to their idea of &#8220;health&#8221; for my animals, thanks.</p>
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