Natural Balance Pulling Venison Formulas

UPDATE on 4/17: Natural Balance recall expands. 

ORIGINAL POST: Itchmo has confirmed an email from Natural Balance that they are removing two products from sale:

  • Venison and Brown Rice Dry Dog Formula
  • Venison and Green Pea Dry Dog Cat Formula

These products do not contain wheat gluten. No deaths or serious illnesses have been reported and no recall warning has been issued. The warning applies only to products sold in the last week, according to Natural Balance.

Please know that at this time we are removing this product from the shelves, as we have had some phone calls indicating gastric upset after eating this formula. At this time, we are unsure if this could just be a particular batch problem, or simply customers switching diets too fast. However, in the meantime while we are looking further into this matter, we are not recommending to feed this formula, and are suggesting to feed our Potato and Duck or Sweet Potato and Fish Dry Dog Formula.

(Thanks Joan)

UPDATE: Why is this not on the FDA or the Natural Balance site? We don’t know. What we do know is that this information was sent to Itchmo and that we confirmed by calling the original author of the email at Natural Balance.

We think that quick product removals are a good move. But how many other product removals happen each year without notice to customers?

UPDATE 2: Natural Balance is increasing the severity of the reported cases to include kidney problems. Natural Balance and the FDA finally posted a notice on their homepage. The first report regarding the product failures arrived at Itchmo on Saturday.

Full release after the link.

From Natural Balance’s Web site:

NOTICE:
We are receiving consumer complaints regarding the Venison & Brown Rice Dry Dog Food, and Venison & Green Pea Dry Cat Foods. We do not know what is wrong with the food at this time, but we have heard that animals are vomiting and experiencing kidney problems. Although the problems seem to be focused on one particular lot, as a precautionary measure, we are pulling all dates of Venison & Brown Rice Dry Dog Food and Venison & Green Pea Dry Cat Food from the shelves.

Please discontinue feeding all Venison and Brown Rice Dry Dog Food, and Venison and Green Pea Dry Cat Food.

We are working closely with the FDA.
We will update this website today, as more information comes available.

NO OTHER NATURAL BALANCE PRODUCTS ARE AFFECTED.

446 Responses to “Natural Balance Pulling Venison Formulas”

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  1. teric says:

    This is horrible.
    I am so sorry Phyllis.
    I do hope you kept some of the food so you could have it tested as well.
    I do believe these companies should be responsible for the vet bills. This recall came out over a month ago. They should have tested the food at then not wait for many to get sick.

  2. teric says:

    Evy Says:

    April 17th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
    teric ~

    Just saw your post about that. Rice flour is not a ‘derivative’ from something else. The protein concentrate is much like ‘gluten’ is. Corn gluten meal is used in a lot of cat foods to raise the protein and keep down the ash content - however, it’s sadly lacking in the essential amino acids they need.

    Gluten is the protein substance of it’s respective component.

    Wheat gluten meal is the “protein” of the wheat processed out. Corn gluten meal is the “protein” of the corn processed out.

    When my nutritionist formulated my products he was careful to stay with “whole” sources vs. anything that is derived from a source.

    Gotta go do FedEx !!

  3. Tracy B. says:

    Is there a possibility we should avoid ALL their foods now?

  4. Julia says:

    “# jay Says:
    April 17th, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    All it would take is one TH in both places. Dont ask what that stands for. I wont be able to post it on the board. Some of you can probably figure it out.”

    Jay, I found your comment very intriguing.

  5. Anonymous says:

    th?

  6. Pet Connection Blog » Pet food recall: One new food added to the recall list says:

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  7. Tootsmom says:

    Just to add my 2 cents, that is now actually a vet bill in excess of $6000 to treat my 3 cats for melamine poisoning!!!! 2 of them are still at the emergency center on IV’s. I am hopeful that they will becoming home soon, but no guarantees. I am so furious! I fed NB specifically because it didn’t have any grains in it. How can NB put “NO RICE” on the label and then put rice in the product. Isn’t that false advertising? I plan on doing what ever it takes to recoup the vet costs. The thing I am the most upset about is the terrible suffering my poor cats have had to endure because of this company. Please send postive thoughts my way that all my furry babies will be home soon.

  8. Anonymous says:

    I am so terribly sorry for your suffering right now (and for your kitties). If you look at some of the previous posts, specifically from Evy, she explains some things about rice vs. rice proteins vs. rice flour.
    I believe she implied that they are not the same thing, that rice is not the same as the rice protein that they added…this rice protein is a form of “gluten” similar in form, but not product to the wheat gluten found in other products. Check it out in the posts earlier tonight.

  9. Evy says:

    Well everyone, if you take three days lol and read back through alllll of these posts, I have weathered a fair amount of questioning/ridicule/need to substantiate. No worries, cause I’m into this since it’s been my passion for nine years now.

    WHY did I need to answer all of these questions? IMHO the industry has done a beautiful job of feeding you information to get you to buy less than stellar products. Heck, I could’ve done a lot of things in the last nine years if I didn’t already see this coming eventually. But I did and I started a small pet food company. You are so accustomed to what the industry has planted for the ‘pseudo experts’ to share and lies have been propagated and Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins who was part of a panel at the senatorial hearings did a GREAT job on shooting holes into ‘the first ingredient should be meat’ garbage. Even SHE said that it’s been ’smoke and mirrors’ and a way to sell cereal (grain) laden products.

    I have a graph on my website. I have answered sooooo many emails and talked with people one on one for years to help them understand why the heck such a politically incorrect label can produce such amazing results.

    I have taken hit after hit as I stood my ground and even though it has taken nine years for people to start questioning things (and God, I broke down in tears again today for the tragedy of losing FurAngels all for the sake of saving $$$) I am really hoping that some start to realize that this is an industry!!!
    They have to show profits to stock holders. They raise their prices and hire CEO’s who can spin marketing. I have been shocked at some of the prices I’ve seen for some premiums - egads! Not that I’m against ‘em, but when people switch over to Kumpi and get better results when spending less - there’s a message there. And it’s not something that happens randomly, it happens a lot.

    I am not saying I am ‘the’ answer, but thanks to the people here who have tried Kumpi and KumpiKat. If you could read my email inbox, it’s about the only thing that has helped me keep sane through this all. Much like Ground Zero, if I didn’t have my food approved to go in there and feel connected about making a difference, I’d have been loony tunz.

    My first time I’ll say this. Please consider trying Kumpi if you want to feel safe. I love our pets so much and I promise a full refund if you are not happy with what happens. And I PROMISE it will not kill your pet!!!

    Warmly warm hugs to your FurAngels :)

    kumpi.com
    kumpikat.com

  10. teric says:

    juli28428 Says:

    April 17th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
    By Julie Schmit and Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
    The industrial chemical melamine has been found in more pet food, and suspicion is falling on a second pet-food ingredient imported from China as the source of the contamination.
    Natural Balance Pet Foods said Tuesday it found melamine in samples of some of its food, which led to a recall. The company suspects melamine was in a rice protein concentrate used as an ingredient, said President Joey Herrick in an interview.

    Melamine is the chief suspect related to the Menu Foods recall, first announced four weeks ago for more than 60 million cans and pouches of wet dog and cat food. The melamine in Menu’s products was in wheat gluten imported from China and sold to Menu and several other pet-food makers, which also did recalls.

    The rice protein concentrate was imported from China by San Francisco-based Wilbur-Ellis. Herrick says the concentrate, which is being tested, is suspected to have melamine, as it was the only new ingredient. Recalled Natural Balance products include Venison and Brown Rice canned and dry dog foods, dog treats and Venison and Green Pea dry cat food.

    Wilbur-Ellis CEO John Thacher said his company sold the concentrate to five pet-food makers, but that most of it went to two firms. One of the primary companies was Diamond Pet Foods, which packs some of the Natural Balance product but doesn’t use the concentrate in any Diamond-made foods, says Diamond spokesman Jim Fallon. The other major customer, which Thacher would not name, tested the rice protein and found no melamine, Thacher says. Natural Balance’s rice protein concentrate is mixed with venison meal, Thacher says.

  11. 5CatMom says:

    Monika,

    Thanks for your post. I called NB and checked out the “rumor”.

    Once again asked for the test department. I don’t think NB has a test department. Was told that their food contained no melamine. The person on the phone said she was “certain”.

    I guess she hadn’t gotten the news just yet.

    Monika Says:

    April 17th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
    On thepetfoodlist.com I have found someone who lost a dog from eating NB and said they just heard from NB and that the company confirmed melamine.

    !!!!!

    not sure if this is true but here’s the post and forum:
    http://thepetfoodlist.com/foru.....316#msg316

  12. 5CatMom says:

    Tootsmom,

    Hope your kitties get well soon. Please call your area FDA Consumer Complaint Coordinator and blast them.

    http://www.fda.gov/opacom/back.....plain.html

    The FDA should have checked the grain products weeks ago, but they kept saying “all is well”.

  13. newshound says:

    I have fed NB venison/brown rice for two years to my German Shepherds because one is allergic to wheat. They have thrived on it. I went to buy my usual two 30-pound bags at Petco last Saturday and there was none on the shelf. Since it’s popular, that’s not uncommon, so I asked the cashier if she happened to have any in the back. She came out with one 30-pound bag. As I was checking out, a manager just happened by and told the cashier, “You can’t sell her that bag of NB.” I asked if it had been recalled like the others and why since it contains no wheat. He said it was a “quality control issue” due to the VENISON and said it could be back on shelves soon.
    Over the weekend I emailed NB and asked about it and got a return email today (before they posted their news release) telling me it was melamine found in the rice protein and that not only the dry venison/brown rice but the canned and the treats needed to be returned to the store.
    My 3-year-old Shepherd had experienced bleeding from his penis a week ago, just some drops and the vet said to just keep an eye on him. NOW I find out that this melamine found in the food he has eaten since he was a puppy is causing kidney failure. I will be calling the vet tomorrow to get appointments.
    If my dogs have kidney ailments, SOMEONE (translation: NB) is going to be paying the bills.
    I can’t believe, either, that a manager at PETCO would know about a recall and then not inform the cashiers. If he hadn’t walked by as I was buying that bag, I would have taken it home and began feeding it to my three dogs! But, it’s probably too late anyway, since they obviously would have eaten some from the batch being recalled. I just bought a new bag about two weeks earlier.

  14. Pam says:

    Holy moley…

    Now I’m wondering. Maybe I’m just paraniod…

    We briefly had our pups on Royal Canin’s Chihuahua formula. I say briefly because they all got diarrhea (occasionally bloody). At the time we thought it was just travel stress but switched them back to their old food (Kirkland Lamb and Rice) just in case. A few weeks ago, one of my babies (the smallest and the one that I believe ate most of the Royal Canin) was diagnosed with a bladder infection.

    They’re not on the recall list and the food doesn’t have wheat gluten but it does have rice and rice products…

    At the same time we switched them all to NB Duck and Potato due to one of them being diagnosed with food allergies.

    *sigh*

  15. Ziggy says:

    Now that the truth is out regarding the Natural Balance - supposed to be all natural??? RIGHT! Last month I lost my beautiful Golden Retriever due to the recall - he ate nutro max canned food - the recalled flavour. He was a certified therapy dog and I know not only do I miss him terribly - every day, but those in the nursing homes and hospitals will too. How did this happen??? Why aren’t there stricter guidlines? In regards to the Natural Balance recall — I had several samples of their food - both for cats and dogs, as I was planning to switch to their feeds. My cats loved the venison and pea formula - so my next trip I picked up a bag. I also purchased a large bag of their original formula - lamb, duck, oatmeal, potatoes, carrots and brown RICE. My concern is — if this recall is due to melamine in their rice concentrate — what’s to say or guarantee it isn’t in ALL of their products that contain RICE?? I don’t know what to do now…. they are finicky about eating it. Will the company take it back if it isn’t on their list of recalls? Is anyone familiar with Beowulf = Back to Basics? I’ve been feeding that for about a month now and they are doing great on that - the pork formula. This is just all so unbelievable, but maybe this will alert them all to be more careful and do more rigid checking…. I’ve tried contacting Natural Balance and it’s like when you tried to get a hold of Menu Foods — could never get through - line constantly busy. If anyone has any more info - please post… A concerned mum.

  16. Ziggy says:

    I’ve just been reading some of the comments and have to say that I’m a bit takenback by the nasty comments. No one is TRASHING Natural Balance. I can speak for myself - IF you lose a pet to this - you become terrified. Someone posted that this group is trashing the reputable companies - well sobeit if you lose a loved one to a ‘good and reputable company’ — like Nutro canned! We, as pet lovers, are SCARED. We need more information. Oh well, nuf said….. I’m glad I’ve found you all and that most of you understand and agree…. Keep on posting, keep on inquiring. You can’t be too safe - you all know the saying, “Better safe than sorry.” Ziggy

  17. Katie says:

    Re: Regina Says: April 17th, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    Regina,

    Thanks so much for sharing this with me. I really hope the cats are well and happy. Your comment has made me feel so much better about all the time I’ve spending obsessively trying to get the word out . . . All this muck-raking might actually make a difference and save a few pets!

    Thanks again!

  18. Katie says:

    And Ziggy, thanks for explaining the reactions many of us have had to this unfortunate event. This forum has quieted down A LOT now that there’s no longer a question about whether this fod was actually toxic or not. But for those of you still seeking to understand why this recall in particular upset so many folks, here are two excerpts that might help (pay attention to the dates):

    Pet owners pay for food upgrade
    By Gregory Lopes
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    April 7, 2007

    The largest pet-food recall in U.S. history is forcing consumers to use a more discerning eye when buying their pets’ food.
    For Natural Balance, a healthy pet-food company in California, sales have dramatically increased since last month when the recall began.
    “We’ve seen a 40 percent bump in sales,” said Joey Herrick, president of Natural Balance. “The ultra premium stuff is taking off.”

    Pet owners wary in wake of recall
    Experts suggest research; some turn to homemade food

    Wednesday, April 11, 2007
    BY CIGI ROSS
    THE REGISTER-MAIL

    A recall of more than 90 brands of pet food has left many dog and cat owners confused and frustrated about feeding their pets . . .

    Since the recall was announced, Emily Thorn, co-owner of Thorn’s Pets and Supplies, 44 N. Seminary St., said customers buying pet food commonly ask if the brand they are choosing is safe.
    “We’ve gotten into the habit that we come in every morning, get online and look at the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) Web site to make sure there is nothing else we have to take off the shelves,” Thorn said. “We have had all kinds of people coming in panicked, and I can’t blame them. People have been coming in since the recall asking, ‘What’s safe to feed my dog?’ ”
    Thorn said it’s important pet owners are aware of what is in the food they choose for their animals.
    “If you’re not comfortable feeding it to your pet don’t buy the food,” Thorn said.
    She said many pet owners are switching brands of food as a precaution. Thorn’s, she said, carries at least four brands of pet food that have not been affected by the recall at all, including Natural Balance, Canidae, Eagle Pack and Evanger’s, which is made in Wheeling.
    Thorn said these brands have human-grade ingredients, meaning fit for human consumption, and do not contain soy, corn or wheat - the ingredients from the recalled food that caused the contamination.

    Perhaps this helps explain why we’re so friggin’ scared and angry.

  19. Katie says:

    So sorry if this posts twice. . . It’s not showing up:

    And Ziggy, thanks for explaining the reactions many of us have had to this unfortunate event. This forum has quieted down A LOT now that there’s no longer a question about whether this fod was actually toxic or not. But for those of you still seeking to understand why this recall in particular upset so many folks, here are two excerpts that might help (pay attention to the dates):

    Pet owners pay for food upgrade
    By Gregory Lopes
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    April 7, 2007

    The largest pet-food recall in U.S. history is forcing consumers to use a more discerning eye when buying their pets’ food.
    For Natural Balance, a healthy pet-food company in California, sales have dramatically increased since last month when the recall began.
    “We’ve seen a 40 percent bump in sales,” said Joey Herrick, president of Natural Balance. “The ultra premium stuff is taking off.”

    Pet owners wary in wake of recall
    Experts suggest research; some turn to homemade food

    Wednesday, April 11, 2007
    BY CIGI ROSS
    THE REGISTER-MAIL

    A recall of more than 90 brands of pet food has left many dog and cat owners confused and frustrated about feeding their pets . . .

    Since the recall was announced, Emily Thorn, co-owner of Thorn’s Pets and Supplies, 44 N. Seminary St., said customers buying pet food commonly ask if the brand they are choosing is safe.
    “We’ve gotten into the habit that we come in every morning, get online and look at the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) Web site to make sure there is nothing else we have to take off the shelves,” Thorn said. “We have had all kinds of people coming in panicked, and I can’t blame them. People have been coming in since the recall asking, ‘What’s safe to feed my dog?’ ”
    Thorn said it’s important pet owners are aware of what is in the food they choose for their animals.
    “If you’re not comfortable feeding it to your pet don’t buy the food,” Thorn said.
    She said many pet owners are switching brands of food as a precaution. Thorn’s, she said, carries at least four brands of pet food that have not been affected by the recall at all, including Natural Balance, Canidae, Eagle Pack and Evanger’s, which is made in Wheeling.
    Thorn said these brands have human-grade ingredients, meaning fit for human consumption, and do not contain soy, corn or wheat - the ingredients from the recalled food that caused the contamination.

    Perhaps this helps explain why we’re so friggin’ scared and angry.

  20. me says:

    newsman..please have your dog tested for prostate problems if he’s intact!! Blood droplets in urine (or coming from penis) is an early indicator.
    If your vet STILL feels there’s no problem, get another opinion.

    If he is neutered and he’s having bleeding please RUN to your vet immediately!!

  21. me says:

    sorry…newshound..not newsman..

    its been a loooooooongggggggg mornign researching dog food..

  22. me says:

    Well I feel I need to get this off my chest and my husband is tired of hearing it, so now you all can hehe. When the whole Menu Foods recall came out, I shook my head. My husband said, our food isn’t on there right? I said no, I trust Natural Balance all their stuff is human grade, it’s all made in the USA and inspected, this would NEVER happen with them.

    Imagine my shock and horror when I saw “inklings” of NB recalling food early Monday morning, but nothing was on their site, so I thought they must be talking about a different food. Then I clicked here and I felt all the blood run from my face.

    Ok, not a huge deal, just gastric upset in one flavor. Maybe there was something wrong with the venison, after all it DOES come from New Zealand, maybe a batch of food went rancid due to packaging problems…could be soooo many little things. Ok not hanging them out to dry yet. I have 3 bags of Ultra in the closet, Ill just pull my one dog off the Venison they will fix this within a few days and all will be right with the world. I was the first one on my dog board to say I trust NB will do the right thing, they are doing the right thing. THey recalled the food quickly and they are quickly testing it so no other dogs get sick.

    Here I sit, not 24 hours later feeling completely let down by my dog food company. Maybe it’s not their fault entirely, I dont know. But NB TOLD me that they use only products from the USA. This tainted rice stuff ISNT FROM THE USA. Ok, so they bought it from a company in the USA.. (where’s the eye roll smiley?). How after the whole Menu Foods fiasco can you NOT test you food for melamine or other toxins..even if it’s just to make ME the consumer FEEL SAFE feeding your food. When I’m paying $40+ a bag for dog food I EXPECT it to be SAFE. Call me crazy.

    What really and totally has me bothered is that other companies who purchased this same rice ingredient is claiming there’s no melamine in their products. Maybe they are right, maybe something happend at the manufacturing plant itself? Maybe their machinery is contaminated..if that’s the case then my otehr NB food can be contaminated as well..can’t it?

    I no longer feel comfortable with NB. I am currently loading up my truck and driving to petco and returning ALL my bags, cans and treats. I’ve decided to feed a non-store, home delivery brand. I hope I can trust them, the rep swore to me that they test their grains and meats the SECOND the shipment hits the plant. Neither wheat gluten or rice gluten are in this food. The rep also told me that in 15 years they never had a recall. I hope she’s not lying to me. I’m at wits end with the dog food industry.

  23. Jennifer says:

    Our cats were just diagnosed with renal distress and are in treatment. We’ll see how they fare. We have been feeding them Natural Balance for over a year, the last bag we purchased was over 2 months ago… So the “infected” product is not just of late.

  24. Pam says:

    Looks like NB has recently updated their website. They now have a FAQ page.

    http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/faq.html

    (Looks like it’s getting hit hard.)

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  26. linda says:

    I called NB yesterday regarding the Venison and fresh Green Pea Allergy Formula for Cats - they told me that the production dates of expiration that have the melamine are expiration 9/28 and 9/29/08. What I find most disturbing is the venison and green pea allergy formula for cats was suppose to have NO RICE. I don’t know how a company can advertise and sell products and do not list all of the ingredients on the products. I have written letters to the FDA, the governor of Connecticut the attorney general of connecticut as well as PETCo (where I purchased the product) and Natural Balance requesting a response to my letter. If my cats had been allergic to rice, even the smallest amount of that ingredient would have killed them - with or without the melamine. I recommend that everyone write letters to the government to state our cause - just posting on blogs will not help the situation.

  27. Beth says:

    Hi there all,
    Have been reading with interest all the postings. As far as the comment about the advertisement of NO RICE in the product. As I understand it, there is no rice in the product only the rice protein. I think those two items are different. So if a product says not rice but has rice protein, I think that the advertisement is correct.

    As an addition……..have ordered a small bag of Kumpi to use as a treat product, etc. & if my Shiba Inu does well, may convert from the Canidae. Will see………do have one comment, though. It concerns me a bit that the ordering form on the site is not secure. No lock appeared on my task bar…….hope my credit card number is not floating around.

  28. NatBear says:

    I sent this message to the Natural Balance email address today.

    “We have been feeding our 18 month-old terrier your venison and brown rice dry dog food over the last five months. He is on his fourth bag five-pound bag. This bag has a used by date of June 7, 2008.

    Please announce the specific product lots that you know contains the contaminated rice protien. This will help us determine to what degree our dog may be affected or, hopefully, not affected.

    Your FAQ web page states that you made the decision to add the rice protein to improve your formula. I would like you to explain how adding a white rice protein concentrate was going to improve your brown rice and venison formulation. One of the reasons I liked this formulation was that it used brown rice and did not have any white rice. I cannot see how adding a white rice protein product could improve anything except you company’s bottom line - cheaper ingredients, less meat protein, more grain protein, same overall protein percentage, better profit margin. Say it ain’t so. I would like to trust your company again.”

  29. Sandy says:

    I am worried about the other companies that have this rice protein..WHO ARE THEY??? I looked at my bag of Wellness allergy for dogs…and will NOT open it for a while..because it has……RICE PROTEIN..I am NOT saying it has the crap thats killing all our pets but I will wait and see…when the OTHER companies come forward.

  30. B Weimann says:

    Could someone please tell me how I could reply to someone’s message. I see questions I know answers to, and I can’t help because my replies are not published.
    For example I know about LIfe’s Abundance foods. I would like to ask a question about the Innova EVO since this person says she has heard negative things about it and that is what I am relying on for my cats now, even my diabetic cat.
    I feel my messages go out into the ether and there is no point in sending a reply. Thank you if someone out there is reading this.

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  32. Traci says:

    “Could someone please tell me how I could reply to someone’s message. I see questions I know answers to, and I can’t help because my replies are not published.”

    Is this the “you have submitted and look to see your post in the list and it won’t show up”?

    If it’s what has happened to me, it usually resolves itself and the post finally shows, but sometimes not until a few hours later.

  33. Sandy says:

    B Weidman….type in the box at the end of the list of comments and then hit sunmit comment…your name and addy should show…one by one I cannot say I have to go to the bottom…I will say EVO was a good food for us ..though it IS high in protein..but one could cook rice and add it..

  34. lanie says:

    Traci-
    Thank you for posting the info on the Ziwipeak venison food! I’ve been searching for a canned alternative for my cat. She’s had no problems thus far on the canned NB venison, but I don’t want to continue to use it. The only alternatives I could find in a venison formula were California Natural and Nature’s Variety- but I’d like to avoid them also since they’re both made by Menu. Do you have any animals eating the Ziwipeak, or are you looking to switch? Please keep us posted about the taurine question you had for them!
    Thanks,
    Lanie

  35. Jane Anderson says:

    Evy how do you know for certain that dogs and cats, roadkill, etc. are not used in commercial pet food? Is the pseudo expert 20-20 TV show a good enough source? They had a story on it. And a newspaper reporter went undercover for this story. Is the city of St. Louis pseudo enough? I believe it was them. The people were outraged that dogs and cats were being made into meat meal. So the rendering company said ok, no more. Well the animals bodies piled up so much that they had no choice but to continue sending them off to be made into meal again.

    Tons of dogs and cats are made into meat meal every week. If this didn’t go into pet food, into chicken feed (which we then eat), just what do they do with all of this meat meal?
    Jane

    It COULD NOT BE DONE using roadkill, euthanized animals, etc.

    I wish I knew where that notion came from, except for seeing it accepted as ‘fact’ since it’s been parrotted so many times online by ‘pseudo experts’

  36. Traci says:

    Lanie,

    I haven’t experience with it but I am planning of getting some moist to try out since they are near my cats’ vet and cats get their annual May 1st, of course what do you believe but I am not liking how I see the pet food issue being handled by the US and this is made in NZ and seems from the website to be holistic. Mudbay Granary pet store cllose to my home in Seattle sells it and they sell the healthier brands from some smaller companies. Being venison I thought it would might be a helpful alternative to those who have been using the NB venisons because of allergies. I like that they include organ meats, including hearts, in their food (very unusual).

    Here is the reply I got back from them on my question:

    Hi Traci

    Taurine is indeed an essential nutrient, especially for cats. It is naturally present in all our products, but because it is essential, we have is especially added to our cat cuisine, (both dry and canned products) above the minimum maintenance levels required for cats. The pet nutrition experts advise that the minimum maintenance level is 0.18% ME, we have it at 0.28% ME.

    We do not show the taurine on the packaging, which is something we will be rectifying on the next pouch printing. I hope this answers your questions.

    Thanks
    Geoff


    Geoff Williamson
    General Manager

    Wilderness Foods Ltd
    14 Boeing Place, PO Box 4342
    Mt Maunganui, New Zealand.
    Phone: (0064) (7) 575 2426
    Fax: (0064) (7) 5752425
    Mobile: (0064) 021 767 693
    geoff@wildernessfoods.co.nz
    www.wildernessfoods.co.nz
    www.ziwipeak.com

  37. Sharon says:

    I’ve read on here and elsewhere about other symptoms. Anyone else having an experience with non-stop licking 24/7 and/or stomatitis, dental problems relating to lesions on the gums?

  38. Marsha says:

    Five more names may be coming.

    This was posted on The Sacramental Bee site today. Here’s the link to the whole story. You have to register (free) to get to the page. http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/156967.html

    Local veterinarians who’ve tracked kidney ailments nationwide have tentatively identified five more foods, not at this point under any recall, that they plan to have tested as soon as possible.

    The Veterinary Information Network, used by about 16,000 of the estimated 35,000 U.S. veterinarians, noticed the five foods kept recurring in vet-described disease reports, said Paul Pion, the Davis vet who co-founded the service. Pion said it would be premature to name the foods.

    He hopes to get suspect food samples to the California Animal Health and Food Safety Laboratory at UC Davis to start testing as early as today. As the recall expands, “my sense is it’s time for every manufacturer to go testing for melamine,” Pion said.

  39. Marsha says:

    Correction. I didn’t realize it’s past midnight. That article was posted Wednesday, April 18th.

  40. BW says:

    Well, I personally called up Natural Balance a couple days ago, after seeing that they had rice protein in their food which was advertised on the same webpage as being GRAIN FREE. The yound man said the venison pea catfood HAD NO RICE IN IT. I said it did according to my website. He again disagreed and then he said that RICE WAS NOT A GRAIN ANYWAY!!! I insisted that of course it was and I asked for a supervisor. She came on and said it was old information and I should refresh my page because the venison pea dry cat food HAD ABSOLUTELY NO RICE PROTEIN IN IT. I refreshed my page and sure nuff, there were the ingredients listed with RICE PROTEIN. She then went on herself, SAW IT LISTED, and said it must be a new ingredient list, and evidently the food DID INDEED have rice protein in it. I told her THEY SHOULD NOT advertise as GRAIN FREE, and she said yes, she would look into that!! WERE THEY BOTH BEING UNTRUTHFUL OR JUST IGNORANT. You decide.

  41. Jane Anderson says:

    Sara how did you happen to hear of Mother Jones! She was a fighter, and faced the wall of flames in the Chicago fire. She was very tiny barely 5 feet tall. During the coal mine lockout in my area, she liked to publicly,debate with a powerful Catholic priest. “I whupped him” she would always say. Her phrase is so true today “— pray for the dead, and fight like hell for the livin’!!”
    Jane

  42. Anonymous says:

    I am thinking that it depends on whom you speak with at NB. when I talked to a woman at NB on Monday, she openly told me that the rice protein compound was contaminated with the melamine,and that although they considered the extent to be limited to the lots with expiration dates of sept 28-29 2008. These were (according to her) received in the warehouse on March 28, and shipped to distribution after that. I asked her about food that was purchased before march 28, and she said although it should not have had any new product added to it (which was the problem altogether) better to be safe and discontinue use of venison and brown rice canned and dry dog food.

    To BW. I know that it is confusing about grains and proteins etc, but if you look back in many of the posts since 4/15, several knowledgeable people have explained about the differences between rice, rice flour, and rice protein. I think a major issue with understanding the extent to which NB is “untruthful or ignorant” depends on many people using many different terms to describe what the “problem” with the food is. It is NOT the rice, or rice flour in the food, it is the rice protein. these are quite different.
    NB says “Natural Balance® Venison & Brown Rice Formula is a proven formula for dogs with allergies based on our unique blend of a premium protein source not commonly found in dog foods, and just brown rice. Read some Testimonials! No soy • No eggs • No dairy products • No sunflower oil • No grains such as wheat, barley, corn and oats.” This does not say NO GRAINS at all…which is confusing, but not untruthful.

  43. Anonymous says:

    Sorry BW, I realized on the Venison and Green Pea, they specifically say no rice. I apologize…The above pertains only to the dog formula…
    Thanks

  44. me says:

    Sharon Says:

    April 18th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
    I’ve read on here and elsewhere about other symptoms. Anyone else having an experience with non-stop licking 24/7 and/or stomatitis, dental problems relating to lesions on the gums?

    Sharon:

    funny that your talkinga bout lesions on the gums..I just had a non-cancerous small growth removed from my dog’s mouth at the gumline (it was growing from the gum line up over the side of the tooth) 2 weeks ago. He WAS on the Natural Balance ULTRA however, but did eat some of the canned products which within the past year I varied the varieties…

    My dog who was primarily on the Venison however hasn’t had ANY signs of anything.

    Non-stop licking however could be related to allergies, it is spring and I do know that my lab mix (and I) turn into messes at the first sign of pollen. Try wiping your dog’s feed when they come in from outside. If that doesn’t help I suggest a visit to your vet to discuss allergies.

  45. Nan says:

    RE: POST BY ‘ME’ regarding non-stop licking. My 12 year old cat began non-stop licking April 2006. Over the course of months, he removed all the hair from his belly, legs and back. He also meowed a lot and ate ravenously. Every few months I took him to vets but none diagnosed the problem. In Dec. I took him again to the vets - luckily a retired vet was pinch-hitting for a vet who was away.

    He did blood tests…the diagnosis was HYPERTHYROIDISM. What I didnt know was that the food he was on had been recalled in March 2006, one month before he started eating his hair. The food had an excessive amount of Vitamin D in it which caused all sorts of medical problems in pets.

    Had I not persisted and taken him to the vet YET AGAIN, he would have died. Hyperthyroidism causes the heart to pound faster and faster…without medication he would have died of a heart attack.

    My cat has recovered all his hair and is doing fine, but he must take medication twice a day for the rest of his life.

    My advice to anyone whose cat is eating his hair, and/or meowing excessively when he/she didn’t before, and eating ravenously…HAVE HIM/HER TESTED FOR HYPERTHYROIDISM!
    Nan

  46. Debbie Bledsoe says:

    I fed my young PUG, for the first time, Nunn-Better dry dog food, only because he was out of his normal brand. After about 1 1/2 weeks my Pug was dead with very little signs. My baby was completly healy before this transition occured.
    I’m almost sure the Dog food had something to do with it. I’m the process trying to find how how and who do I got to, to have his food tested.

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