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	<title>Comments on: Pet Food Formulator Ranks 570 Pet Food Ingredients</title>
	<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337</link>
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		<title>By: Nell Liquorman</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-43553</link>
		<author>Nell Liquorman</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-43553</guid>
		<description>Is it even a good idea that veterinarians sell medications, flea remedies, or food products?  When you think about it - medical doctors do not do this.  Do vets sell these things just because they are profitable?  Would they really recommend them if they did not sell them?  Would you trust your veterinarian more if his focus were only on your pet's physical condition and not on the sale of pet food industry products, drug industry products, or chemical industry products?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it even a good idea that veterinarians sell medications, flea remedies, or food products?  When you think about it - medical doctors do not do this.  Do vets sell these things just because they are profitable?  Would they really recommend them if they did not sell them?  Would you trust your veterinarian more if his focus were only on your pet&#8217;s physical condition and not on the sale of pet food industry products, drug industry products, or chemical industry products?</p>
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		<title>By: Candy</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-33102</link>
		<author>Candy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with a lot of the findings, they rate corn higher then chicken? Thats unheard of, dogs and cats don't even need grains in there diet. Thank god for Orijen. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with a lot of the findings, they rate corn higher then chicken? Thats unheard of, dogs and cats don&#8217;t even need grains in there diet. Thank god for Orijen. lol</p>
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		<title>By: AJ in AZ</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31856</link>
		<author>AJ in AZ</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31856</guid>
		<description>I see that others are as skeptical about this list as I am.  What I'd really like to see is an unbiased list that can be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that others are as skeptical about this list as I am.  What I&#8217;d really like to see is an unbiased list that can be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Beauregard</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31846</link>
		<author>Lou Beauregard</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31846</guid>
		<description>imo...'THE LIST' is nearly unusable 'as is', in addition to being a whole bunch of puffery/filler-type prose (again, just in my opinion).   I mean, come on, this is not exactly homeopathy here, with the inclusion of all the 1% items.

Initially, due to the Mike Adams endorsement/inclusion, I had high hopes for this list.  For education &#38; learning.  Because, you see, for way too many years I, too, had been feeding commercial catfood.  Fooled by the bright pretty pictures of happy beautiful cats, yummy appearing food and, overall, the beguiling advertizing prose.

Perhaps the following 'comment/snips' from a very informative website (found via this site, btw) is just 'preaching to the choir' being included here.  My impression, after reading the comments to date, is that it appears a few folks are still in the dark like 'shrooms', confused &#38;/or still bemused by clever profit-driven advertizing.   Or perhaps many 'awake &#38; aware' folks are just not as 'wordy' as self.  

READ THIS
Wake-up information: WHAT'S REALLY IN PET FOOD-
http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&#38;more=1
---snips---
-What most consumers donâ€™t know is that the pet food industry is an extension of the human food and agriculture industries. Pet food provides a convenient way for slaughterhouse offal, grains considered â€œunfit for human consumption,â€ and similar waste products to be turned into profit. This waste includes intestines, udders, heads, hooves, and possibly diseased and cancerous animal parts.

-Many major pet food companies in the United States are subsidiaries of gigantic multinational corporations.  From a business standpoint, pet food fits very well with companies making human products; those that make human food products have a captive market in which to capitalize on their waste products;

LABLE basics--Ingredients must be listed in descending order of weight.  
---snips---
-25% rule:â€œdinnerâ€ â€œrecipe,â€ â€œplatter,â€ â€œentree,â€ and â€œformula".
- 3% rule: the term 'WITH' 
- 0% possibly when the term 'FLAVOR' is used.  ie:a â€œbeef flavorâ€ food may contain a small quantity of digest or other extract of tissues from cattle, or even an artificial flavor, without containing any actual beef meat at all.

-While feeding trials are sometimes still done, they are expensive and time-consuming. A standard chemical analysis may also be used to make sure that a food meets the profiles. (pssstttt...the complaint ingredient, melamine [waste product], was added to UP the protein chemical analysis.)
-Meat meals, poultry meals, by-product meals, and meat-and-bone meal are common ingredients in dry pet foods. The term â€œmealâ€ means that these materials are not used fresh, but have been rendered.
-â€œ4Dâ€ animals (dead, dying, diseased, disabled) were only recently banned for human consumption and are still legitimate ingredients for pet food.
-â€œco-packing.â€ One company makes the food, but puts someone elseâ€™s label on it. ... a very common arrangement in the pet food industry. 
-Are one companyâ€™s products â€” made in the same plant on the same equipment with ingredients called the same name â€” really â€œbetterâ€ than anotherâ€™s? Thatâ€™s what the makers of expensive brands want you to think. 
-Whatever the differences are between cheap and high-end food, one thing is clear. The purchase price of pet food does not always determine whether a pet food is good or bad or even safe. However, the very cheapest foods can be counted on to have the very cheapest ingredients.

Just Lou's comments, in closing, -consider the term 'obligate carnivore'.  Look it up.  Please do.  And think about the creatures so described.  And then investigate the link and article info: 
http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&#38;more=1
"Get The Facts:Whatâ€™s Really in Pet Food".

Consider:-just maybe...MOUSE is the neatly perfectly packaged whole food product for CAT.  (lol)

Very Sincerely
Lou
(concerned catperson, , braincellshakerupper, cheerfulrabblerouser)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imo&#8230;&#8217;THE LIST&#8217; is nearly unusable &#8216;as is&#8217;, in addition to being a whole bunch of puffery/filler-type prose (again, just in my opinion).   I mean, come on, this is not exactly homeopathy here, with the inclusion of all the 1% items.</p>
<p>Initially, due to the Mike Adams endorsement/inclusion, I had high hopes for this list.  For education &amp; learning.  Because, you see, for way too many years I, too, had been feeding commercial catfood.  Fooled by the bright pretty pictures of happy beautiful cats, yummy appearing food and, overall, the beguiling advertizing prose.</p>
<p>Perhaps the following &#8216;comment/snips&#8217; from a very informative website (found via this site, btw) is just &#8216;preaching to the choir&#8217; being included here.  My impression, after reading the comments to date, is that it appears a few folks are still in the dark like &#8217;shrooms&#8217;, confused &amp;/or still bemused by clever profit-driven advertizing.   Or perhaps many &#8216;awake &amp; aware&#8217; folks are just not as &#8216;wordy&#8217; as self.  </p>
<p>READ THIS<br />
Wake-up information: WHAT&#8217;S REALLY IN PET FOOD-<br />
<a href="http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&amp;more=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.api4animals.org/fac.....amp;more=1</a><br />
&#8212;snips&#8212;<br />
-What most consumers donâ€™t know is that the pet food industry is an extension of the human food and agriculture industries. Pet food provides a convenient way for slaughterhouse offal, grains considered â€œunfit for human consumption,â€ and similar waste products to be turned into profit. This waste includes intestines, udders, heads, hooves, and possibly diseased and cancerous animal parts.</p>
<p>-Many major pet food companies in the United States are subsidiaries of gigantic multinational corporations.  From a business standpoint, pet food fits very well with companies making human products; those that make human food products have a captive market in which to capitalize on their waste products;</p>
<p>LABLE basics&#8211;Ingredients must be listed in descending order of weight.<br />
&#8212;snips&#8212;<br />
-25% rule:â€œdinnerâ€ â€œrecipe,â€ â€œplatter,â€ â€œentree,â€ and â€œformula&#8221;.<br />
- 3% rule: the term &#8216;WITH&#8217;<br />
- 0% possibly when the term &#8216;FLAVOR&#8217; is used.  ie:a â€œbeef flavorâ€ food may contain a small quantity of digest or other extract of tissues from cattle, or even an artificial flavor, without containing any actual beef meat at all.</p>
<p>-While feeding trials are sometimes still done, they are expensive and time-consuming. A standard chemical analysis may also be used to make sure that a food meets the profiles. (pssstttt&#8230;the complaint ingredient, melamine [waste product], was added to UP the protein chemical analysis.)<br />
-Meat meals, poultry meals, by-product meals, and meat-and-bone meal are common ingredients in dry pet foods. The term â€œmealâ€ means that these materials are not used fresh, but have been rendered.<br />
-â€œ4Dâ€ animals (dead, dying, diseased, disabled) were only recently banned for human consumption and are still legitimate ingredients for pet food.<br />
-â€œco-packing.â€ One company makes the food, but puts someone elseâ€™s label on it. &#8230; a very common arrangement in the pet food industry.<br />
-Are one companyâ€™s products â€” made in the same plant on the same equipment with ingredients called the same name â€” really â€œbetterâ€ than anotherâ€™s? Thatâ€™s what the makers of expensive brands want you to think.<br />
-Whatever the differences are between cheap and high-end food, one thing is clear. The purchase price of pet food does not always determine whether a pet food is good or bad or even safe. However, the very cheapest foods can be counted on to have the very cheapest ingredients.</p>
<p>Just Lou&#8217;s comments, in closing, -consider the term &#8216;obligate carnivore&#8217;.  Look it up.  Please do.  And think about the creatures so described.  And then investigate the link and article info:<br />
<a href="http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&amp;more=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.api4animals.org/fac.....amp;more=1</a><br />
&#8220;Get The Facts:Whatâ€™s Really in Pet Food&#8221;.</p>
<p>Consider:-just maybe&#8230;MOUSE is the neatly perfectly packaged whole food product for CAT.  (lol)</p>
<p>Very Sincerely<br />
Lou<br />
(concerned catperson, , braincellshakerupper, cheerfulrabblerouser)</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31834</link>
		<author>Cathy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31834</guid>
		<description>They are so off base with those ratings.  Wheat gets a 5 star rating? Give me a break.  I've never seen a holistic food that doesn't have too many grains in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are so off base with those ratings.  Wheat gets a 5 star rating? Give me a break.  I&#8217;ve never seen a holistic food that doesn&#8217;t have too many grains in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31795</link>
		<author>Betty</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31795</guid>
		<description>This is nutritionist territory not veterinarian.  Obviously not a piece of 'science' for the better part.  I am glad to see your readers are hard to jerk around.  It's a shame that you posted this with credibility.  This *knowledge* would make me question Azmira products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nutritionist territory not veterinarian.  Obviously not a piece of &#8217;science&#8217; for the better part.  I am glad to see your readers are hard to jerk around.  It&#8217;s a shame that you posted this with credibility.  This *knowledge* would make me question Azmira products.</p>
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		<title>By: Debi</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31793</link>
		<author>Debi</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31793</guid>
		<description>also, why does menadione appear on the toxic list, yet it is in every Azmira dry food?? also, about garlic, the allacin contained in the garlic is supposed to, over time, change the blood activity of dogs in a negative way, so I don't believe that one either, another thing I heard on the national news was that China produces 73% of the worlds garlic supplies!! Not me, no way. Strictly here for obvious contradictions!!!!!! Deb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, why does menadione appear on the toxic list, yet it is in every Azmira dry food?? also, about garlic, the allacin contained in the garlic is supposed to, over time, change the blood activity of dogs in a negative way, so I don&#8217;t believe that one either, another thing I heard on the national news was that China produces 73% of the worlds garlic supplies!! Not me, no way. Strictly here for obvious contradictions!!!!!! Deb.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ from IL</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31765</link>
		<author>JJ from IL</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31765</guid>
		<description>Sure have lots of fish listed in the ingredients. Are these fish full of mercury? Lecithin another name for soy which they state dogs cannot digest, causes bloat and they can die from it. So why is soy showing up in more and more food? The rate some really good things as a 1? Sounds like a biased list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure have lots of fish listed in the ingredients. Are these fish full of mercury? Lecithin another name for soy which they state dogs cannot digest, causes bloat and they can die from it. So why is soy showing up in more and more food? The rate some really good things as a 1? Sounds like a biased list.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31730</link>
		<author>Sandy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31730</guid>
		<description>Wellness hit my s(&#38;*t list when they did NOTHING but give me the run around by phone and email..I would never use their products now....EVER</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellness hit my s(&amp;*t list when they did NOTHING but give me the run around by phone and email..I would never use their products now&#8230;.EVER</p>
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		<title>By: Velvet's Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31727</link>
		<author>Velvet's Dad</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31727</guid>
		<description>One shouldn'g give cats garlic supplements or feed them garlic powder. I understand the amount of garlic in Wellness is only a trace.  But the concern I have with this list is that dogs and cats have very different nutritional needs and I don't see the distinction made. For example, whole ground corn is rated a 5 but one should never feed corn in any form to cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One shouldn&#8217;g give cats garlic supplements or feed them garlic powder. I understand the amount of garlic in Wellness is only a trace.  But the concern I have with this list is that dogs and cats have very different nutritional needs and I don&#8217;t see the distinction made. For example, whole ground corn is rated a 5 but one should never feed corn in any form to cats.</p>
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		<title>By: rescuemom</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31725</link>
		<author>rescuemom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31725</guid>
		<description>FAR too many grains with a five star rating.  Apparently Azmira missed the memo about dogs and cats not possessing amylase and therefore not being able to properly break down and digest grains.  

I'm not too upset to see barley up there (although it does have its contraindications in certain conditions) but corn and wheat?  

I was so excited when I saw the link, but hugely disappointed when I read the list.  :O(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FAR too many grains with a five star rating.  Apparently Azmira missed the memo about dogs and cats not possessing amylase and therefore not being able to properly break down and digest grains.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not too upset to see barley up there (although it does have its contraindications in certain conditions) but corn and wheat?  </p>
<p>I was so excited when I saw the link, but hugely disappointed when I read the list.  :O(</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie k</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31671</link>
		<author>Leslie k</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31671</guid>
		<description>JJ2 &#38; Booster- I remember seeing the garlic on 2 other sites also. I think it was the humane society or a veterinary link.The other 1 was the list of bad pet food ingredrients.Can't remember the name. All these links &#38; chemical names are overtaxing my aging brain ! I was at my own Dr last week &#38; he said the latest test results show it doesn't repel fleas or other bugs anyway. Guess I'll stop wasting my money on garlic pills. I try not to buy pet food with it,&#38; don't add it to their food. However they do sometimes get leftovers &#38; I cook with it. Their favorite treat[dogs &#38; cats] is pizza crust &#38; that has it. So far no problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ2 &amp; Booster- I remember seeing the garlic on 2 other sites also. I think it was the humane society or a veterinary link.The other 1 was the list of bad pet food ingredrients.Can&#8217;t remember the name. All these links &amp; chemical names are overtaxing my aging brain ! I was at my own Dr last week &amp; he said the latest test results show it doesn&#8217;t repel fleas or other bugs anyway. Guess I&#8217;ll stop wasting my money on garlic pills. I try not to buy pet food with it,&amp; don&#8217;t add it to their food. However they do sometimes get leftovers &amp; I cook with it. Their favorite treat[dogs &amp; cats] is pizza crust &amp; that has it. So far no problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Traci</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31667</link>
		<author>Traci</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this one:
http://www.petsbynature.com/Garlic.htm

Will look for more later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.petsbynature.com/Garlic.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.petsbynature.com/Garlic.htm</a></p>
<p>Will look for more later on.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ 2</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31664</link>
		<author>JJ 2</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/pet-food-formulator-ranks-570-pet-food-ingredients-1337#comment-31664</guid>
		<description>Hi Booster...unfortunately, I can't remember the sources...I know it's kind of vague, and even Dr. Pitcairn, who wrote a really great book about home cooking pet food recommends a little powdered garlic as a flavor enhancer...but still, I just don't feel comfortable taking the chance.  I've been doing a lot of reading about pet nutrition after the pet food scare so I don't remember all the sources....the use of garlic is controversial, but the pet food companies say that the small amounts they use is safe.  I don't really totally trust the pet food companies, though...not anymore.  Using commercial pet food with garlic probably wouldn't cause harm, but adding it while home cooking might be a little risky because the safe level might be harder to ascertain and the potency would change according to the form used.  I do remember reading somewhere that no amount of garlic has been proven completely safe for cats, and it was a pet nutrition website so I assume they were objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Booster&#8230;unfortunately, I can&#8217;t remember the sources&#8230;I know it&#8217;s kind of vague, and even Dr. Pitcairn, who wrote a really great book about home cooking pet food recommends a little powdered garlic as a flavor enhancer&#8230;but still, I just don&#8217;t feel comfortable taking the chance.  I&#8217;ve been doing a lot of reading about pet nutrition after the pet food scare so I don&#8217;t remember all the sources&#8230;.the use of garlic is controversial, but the pet food companies say that the small amounts they use is safe.  I don&#8217;t really totally trust the pet food companies, though&#8230;not anymore.  Using commercial pet food with garlic probably wouldn&#8217;t cause harm, but adding it while home cooking might be a little risky because the safe level might be harder to ascertain and the potency would change according to the form used.  I do remember reading somewhere that no amount of garlic has been proven completely safe for cats, and it was a pet nutrition website so I assume they were objective.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<author>Debra</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Ground whole grain corn" and "Whole ground wheat" are listed as 5 stars, but I thought corn and wheat were 2 of the top 3 causes of allergies? 

Farther down the list, it lists "Ground whole grain wheat" at 3 stars and says "'grain' indicates feed-grade."  So is the 5 star "Ground whole GRAIN corn" also indicative of feed grade?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ground whole grain corn&#8221; and &#8220;Whole ground wheat&#8221; are listed as 5 stars, but I thought corn and wheat were 2 of the top 3 causes of allergies? </p>
<p>Farther down the list, it lists &#8220;Ground whole grain wheat&#8221; at 3 stars and says &#8220;&#8216;grain&#8217; indicates feed-grade.&#8221;  So is the 5 star &#8220;Ground whole GRAIN corn&#8221; also indicative of feed grade?</p>
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