Recall Update: Monday-Tuesday
Tuesday
Due to a technical problem, we were down most of Monday. So here’s what you missed.
We are going through the reports of reimbursements and post highlights tomorrow.
Also from Monday: How important is salvage pet food to hog farmers?
Monday
It’s been more than 3 months since the first of the melamine recalls were announced. We’re still collecting your experiences with filing for reimbursements from pet food companies. Please send us your stories.
Looking Back:
Here’s are some posts from the first days of the recall:
- The first analysis of the recall impact.
- Menu Foods’ first press release since recall angers Itchmo.
- We discover Iams’ exclusive contract with Menu Foods.
Related News: Deja vu all over again - FDA investigated toothpaste risk 10 years ago. Highlights after the jump.
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Highlights from the New York Times via International Herald Tribune:
After a drug ingredient from China killed dozens of Haitian children a decade ago, a senior American health official sent a cable to her investigators: find out who made the poisonous ingredient and why a state-owned company in China exported it as safe, pharmaceutical-grade glycerin.
The Chinese were of little help. Requests to find the manufacturer were ignored. Business records were withheld or destroyed.
The Americans had reason for alarm. “The U.S. imports a lot of Chinese glycerin and it is used in ingested products such as toothpaste,” Mary Pendergast, then deputy commissioner for the Food and Drug Administration, wrote on Oct. 27, 1997. Learning how diethylene glycol, a syrupy poison used in some antifreeze, ended up in Haitian fever medicine might “prevent this tragedy from happening again,” she wrote.
The FDA’s mission ultimately failed. By the time an FDA agent visited the suspected manufacturer, the plant was shut down and Chinese companies said they bore no responsibility for the mass poisoning.
Sound familiar?
In a global economy, ingredients for drugs are often bought and sold many times in different countries, sometimes without proper paperwork, all of which increases the risk of fraud, the authorities say.
The Panama poison passed through five hands, the Haitian poison six. In both cases, the factory’s original certificate of analysis, attesting to the contents of the shipment and its provenance, did not accompany the product as it moved around the world.
(Thanks carmamil)
June 18th, 2007 at 7:34 am
If anyone feels like emailing one more Senator, I think this one might be a good one to email with your concerns.
http://harkin.senate.gov/issues/issues.cfm?t=11
June 18th, 2007 at 7:58 am
Before leaving for work, I caught the beginning of GMA this morning. They were reporting on the counterfiet toothpaste and how alot of counterfeit products are coming in from China. They mentioned China as being a baddie a number of times. It was a good piece, but still no mention of the pet food problems. At least someone is starting to report on the risks of human comsumtion….it’s a start anyway.
June 18th, 2007 at 8:12 am
I have two huge regrets—of course the first is feeding what I was for the last 10 years to my 2 cats-Special Kitty ( it was all that they would eat) and the second is not finding this website until the end of April. In the early days of my cats’ illness in Feb and March I felt very alone–like there were no others in my situation around me when the news broke—my news station covered my 2 cats illness but I heard nothing more of sick animals except one pup that passed in early Dec (in RI). I alone tried to get through to MF (why I called my NBC station), the FDA and anyone else who would listen as I thought this was bigger than reported. If I had found about Itchmo I know I would have been more effective as reading the early posts and knowing we’re in a HUGE mess (not as originally reported) would have made me as mad then as I am now. The initial weeks I had some sense of relief as to find out why my 2 cats had become so sickened so quickly, but as time has passed and I see the inefficiency of the FDA to recall items and the doubts I have that the true “poisons” have ALL been found, I know we have not come one step closer to stop this from happening again.
June 18th, 2007 at 8:22 am
I’d have more respect for a politician if they used the words “pet deaths due to toxins” rather than “pet food recall”. The families of those people killed by “outbreaks” of contamination deserve the same recognition in relation to their loss.
The best intentions don’t mean much if you’re afraid to talk about it.
Sorry, but, you know. Apathy starts with dilution in more ways than one.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Just a heads up, ITCHMO folks. If you find a great site with info related to the mass poisoning of our pets, particularly one from a POISON MANUFACTURER, i.e., Menu Foods, Proctor & Gamble, etc., remember to save it to your hard drive first, BEFORE you post the link. Print out a hard copy of the web page, as well.
Just as Orwell wrote in 1984, these posts are going down the memory hole, and the Mass Poisoners are deconstructing their websites, trying to rewrite history, and erase the truth from the internet. Even relying on the cache function of Google is not the best option.
I’m not a Web tekkie, but will anyone who is post on how to maintain copies of this information away from the control of the original site?
June 18th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Glad to see Itchmo is up & running again……hey Ben, did the men in black come to visit you & take down your website? I was having trouble late yesterday & haven’t been able to get on at all today. Hooray……you’re back. We missed you!
June 18th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
I’m very glad You’re back. What happened?
ITCHMO ADMIN: We’re glad that we are back too! There was a server error that kept our site down most of the day.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Welcome back itchmo. I was thinking some very large asian country had hired some hackers to disappear the website. Or alternately maybe the feds had taken them away for a little offshore Cuban vacation.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Folks, Duane-o woke up and redid his front page:
http://www.petfoodinstitute.org/
And not one word about the “Texas expert” by NAME or “TEXAS” reference to what they were thumping about here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com.....all58.html
“Through our contacts in Texas, which is where the lab is located that conducted the analysis, we have learned there is genuine concern among key toxicological and analytical experts about the lab and the actual test results,†said PFI spokesman Kurt Gallagher.
““They never name the experts they’re working with,†she said on Wednesday. “When someone says ‘people I know say this,’ it sounds to me like they’re trying to say there are experts who have looked into this and don’t agree with the findings. But I don’t believe there are.
““This case is not closed,†Donna Coneley, lab manager with ExperTox, Inc. told us. “They’re (FDA) still requesting samples and data from us. We’ve talked to them three times today. I don’t see by any means that this is over. If it was over and done with, why would they bother spending so much time with us on the phone and arranging for samples to be released?â€
Looks like this man doesn’t want his name used re: disputing the ExperTox findings–if there’s a PFI Press Release with it on, let’s see it:
http://www.petfoodreport.com/commission.htm
Pet Food Institute Establishes
National Pet Food Commission
“Dr. E. Murl Bailey, Jr., D.V.M., Ph.D, Texas A&M Universityâ€
An interview he gave KTRK-TV, Houston, ABC-13 on March 27, 2007, prior to joining the PFI Commission:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/st.....id=5156966
“A toxicology expert at Texas A&M School of Veterinary Medicine isn’t convinced researchers have come up with the last of the pet food poison puzzle. There’ve been other cases of pet food contamination in recent years, including a fungus found in dry dog food some three years ago. That was quickly identified. This, though, is taking longer because in several ways, it may be an imported problem.
“â€There’s no magic bullet that’s going to save the animal,†said Dr. Murl Bailey, veterinary toxicologist with Texas A&M. “No antidote, no antidote we know of.â€
“That is the one thing of which Dr. Bailey is sure. So much else about the tainted pet food recall is conjecture. At this point, the poison believed to be aminopterin, he says, is not an absolute.
“â€It hasn’t been proved and even the veterinarians at Cornell, where they first identified this, are not completely sure,†said Dr. Bailey.
“â€I think we’re looking at the tip of the iceberg, in terms of number cases,†said Dr. Bailey.
“At the very least, it should make animal owners question what they’re feeding to their pets and if labels accurately reflect ingredients and where they’re from. More than that, Dr. Bailey says…
“I think there should be a level of concern on the part of regulators,†he said. “Human and animals.†â€
Dr. Bailey let KTRK use his name and gave them the interview–funny he didn’t do that for an organization he is on a commission of.
According to ExperTox, they are STILL working with FDA on the matter–Duane-o certainly doesn’t want to use a URL to a story which says he has imaginary experts, so he chooses NOT to report that segment of the news re: acetaminophen.
Must be tough being Rutgers’ ‘54. No wonder you can get messages from Elvis wearing a PFI hat. :-)
http://www.rutgers54.org/honorroll.htm
June 18th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
“The FDA changed food safety regulations and created this new category of product, inedible eggs,†ADF Board Chairman Thomas Slaight says. “Bill saw an opportunity to gather this product and market it into an industry that needed highly digestible protein.â€
http://www.sbj.net/weekly_arti.....aID2=77777
June 18th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
LOL Pukanuba I wonder and Emailed Ben about the same thing! Thought maybe they’d been hacked by those PFMIB
{pet food men in black :-þ } Whom I’m sure would like Itchmo to crash and burn.
New improvments around here musta been the reasons :-D
I’ve saved alot in print need to get them more organized, maybe get a new printer/scanner and put them on disc or something?
Debbie, I’m going to look and see if that GMA story is on the website. Thanks for mentioning it. Didn’t see GMA today.
It’s sort of Sad, that ‘a little tube of {human} toothpaste’ gets such coverage {over the Pet food poisoning, or not in addition to it}, but I’ve seen it mentioned several times over the weekend and they also include the Bad foods etc. coming in from China. So it’s a good shot for all of it to be OUT there.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
You know, we worry. Is there any way to set up a cyber- something akin to Emergency numbers some of us keep on our fridge? Perhaps redirection to another site where you can communicate circumstances, or an information page, when bad stuff happens?
It’s good to know you’re okay. :)
June 18th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
I hope whom ever’s Samples those are at Expertox, that THEY, not Anyone else, has Say/rights over them {owns them}; and speaks to an attorney BEFORE letting Anyone else handle them, besides Expertox.
I say FDA needs to go out and pick up LOTS of Bags and Cans {sealed} and Test THOSE. BUY them. Do Not get them from he Pet Food manufacturers themselves. Buy them just like US. And test the heck out of them.
No one *needs* the FDA to test THEIR foods anymore. {can’t trust them to do it right or honestly}
Have they called ANY of US?
And I’d hold on to my Own specimens if they test positive or with a Legal order at the Lab I’d sent them to, to not be moved.
Keep FDA Waaaaay away from those samples!
Someone said it right last week, FDA couldn’t find acetaminphen, in a Tylenol bottle!
And has Anyone with the acetaminophen positive test Called the FBI? {or the like}.
I’d think a *Drug* found illegally in ANY Food is a *Crime* that needs to be looked into!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean forget the FDA, where are “the cops” in this?
{not like we’d need “permission” on that!}
Maybe IF it had been found Before being bought or fed, the FDA could have had some say in that, but I’d think,but after the fact {privately bought and or fed}, is a whole nuther matter.
I’m just wonderin’ ya know. That’s all.
{oh yeah and I Luv those mysterious Texas folks, who advise the PFI! I got ta meet THEM! LMBO! }
June 18th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Thanks, Steve. That’s another subject I’ve been wondering about.
Menusux- Visions of swirling water down the tubes. You do have a way with words.
HomeGrown, thanks for the link.
YaYa, like ya said, at least they’re covering contamination. Everybody uses toothpaste. Well… rethinking that one. Newspapers and on line news sources should add a daily FDA and USDA refusal blip. THAT would make for interesting reading.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
xyz, I could get into Forums but didn’t begin to know where to post a Question about Itchmo being down. If it was my ISP if Itchmo got rubbed out :-D
{I didn’t think about Petconnection, I don’t go there often}
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 am
chinese made toys recalled for lead paint.
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06....._Tho.shtml
around here you can’t rent to someone with children if your property isn’t confirmed deleaded and here’s old thomas the tank engine and his layer of fresh lead paint.
we all know children of a certain age put every damn thing in their mouths…
chinese will probably ban raisins that look funny again because of course someone’s lying about the lead paint being their doing…
June 19th, 2007 at 4:33 am
YaYa,
I’ve come to regard Itchmo and a few others as an extended family.
Sometimes we know how to contact someone, sometimes we don’t. With a few thousand relatives it’s not always easy to get the word out when something goes wrong or a crisis happens. It can be like hunting for a buddy that likes to go fishing. You know he’s near water but you’re surrounded by lakes.
Anyway, maybe something for all of us to consider if we don’t have contingency plans when stuff happens. :)
June 19th, 2007 at 6:21 am
Just Watched A News Report. That Every Dangerous Toy Recalled This Year Was Imported From Guess Where. But Of Course China. They Really Like Using Lead In Childrens Toys There. It Happens Constantly Even With All Our Restrictions On Lead And Children We Keep Importing These Toys Loaded With It. Just Goes To Show Global Trade Is More Important Then The Lives Of Any Man, Woman, Child, Or Pet Living In The U.S. It Is Also More Important Then Our Own Enviroment. We Recycle And Alot Live Green But Why Bother When We Import The Toxins And Garbage From China Anyway. If We Still Bought Made To Last Instead Of Cheap Our Landfills Wouldnt Be Such A Problem.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:09 am
Menusux-
That was a most EXCELLENT post calling out the PFI once again! And once again I sent another email to them–and will call again a little later.
These folk are just WRONG. They must be nervous, though, to have posted that shallow little message on their site.
If anyone else care to contact PFI again today here’s the info again:
info@petfoodinstitute.org
PHONE (202) 367-1120
June 19th, 2007 at 7:39 am
try this for your emails too
kurt At petfoodinstitute.org
duane At petfoodinstitute.org
June 19th, 2007 at 7:43 am
Rick, Menusux,
I don’t believe that PFI message. Lab X finds poison, but keep feeding that food until Lab Y and Z confirm the results. Sorry Duane and pals, that isn’t how it works. I assume unsafe until independent labs prove it’s safe. Thanks Rick I’ll call those SOBs later.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:48 am
OT : Interesting implications. Fois Gras and *possible* disease link.
http://physorg.com/news101406844.html
June 19th, 2007 at 8:06 am
Roberto P-
The fact that PFI came out with a statement so quickly-defending the pet food companies-without even testing the same samples first speaks volumes. It shows that they are beholden to their master, and that “promoting the overall care and well-being of pets” is NOT their first priority. How could it be when 98% of their funding comes from pet food companies. No one has a reason to trust what PFI says. And they can come up with all the new “commissions” they want-it won’t do any good. We have their number now–so to speak. It’ll be another group putting out propaganda to defend those that sign their paycheck.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:26 am
I like the “click here” ….. salvaged and distressed pet food on the PFI site menusux posted. SALVAGED & DISTRESSED?!
June 19th, 2007 at 8:51 am
Wasn’t it the PFI that MF sent to the Senate hearing in their place??? Do they think we’re all stupid?
We are not of the generation like my mother’s was–”don’t make waves”—we do demand answers and are entitled to know them. Gone are the days when you”can’t fight city hall” we certainly will when they’re wrong, incompetent or lying….After all, it is people like us that the pet food companies made billions of dollars off of—sounds like they cared about us then—-we have every right to know exactly what the testing shows whether they want us to or not. Why didn’t they have the same outcry when aminopterin was discovered by the NY lab??? (I still think that test was probably correct IMO)
June 19th, 2007 at 9:23 am
Anyone like the Video of What Goes Into the Pet Food? They really don’t show anything that goes into it. Just that its SAFE (Uh -huh). And they uplay the dangers of home-cooking and Organic Pet Foods (hinting indirectly that the natural/holistic/organic market is not supplying the right nutrients to the foods - UH-HUH again). Also, those Vet Diets get a REAL BIG PLUG.
Just ask your Vet, He will tell you what to feed your pet.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:41 am
Great website, but it doesn’t seem to be working like it used to.
I’m getting some weirdness when trying to access the comments. The comments take a while to appear, and after they’re up, the auction ads seems to be slowing things down, or seems to refresh intermittently.
Is anyone else have problems?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Got this off DumbDuane’s Perpetual Fony (sorry, but phony didn’t fit) Information homepage:
“Washington, May 29, 2007 – Seventy-three percent of consumers say they are “confident or very confident†in the safety of their pet food according to three rounds of public opinion surveys conducted by the Pet Food Institute. PFI, which represents the makers of 98 percent of the pet food sold in the United States, today announced the results of three public opinion surveys conducted since April 4. Results also show that nearly an identical percentage say they are staying with their preferred brand of pet food. [read full story…]”
To which I say: WTF? Please come to Itchmo & let’s redo that survey & then please republish those results. I know you won’t do that because that would be truthful information & we don’t want that kind of stuff to go out to the public, now do we? You guys need to take your thumbs out of your patooties & get some truthful info out to the public FOR A CHANGE!!!!!!!
Oh, & Duane: please tell all your buddies that those cutesy ads on TV showing fresh meat & veggies in all that junk pet food is a friggin joke to those of us in the know. Why not put all that money to better use & put better quality ingredients in your cronys’ pet food instead. What? You never thought of that? Figures.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:48 am
My comments took a minute or so to appear…..there may still be a few technical problems that I’m sure they are working on. It’s kinda slow moving around on this site right now but I have a feeling they’re probably aware of it.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:03 am
Maybe PFI interviewed the 73% of consumers who’ve already switched to one of the natural foods from a privately held company.
No more mega-global corporation junk food for my kitties.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:03 am
the whole problem for anything ” regulated”( surely meant as a euphemism for ‘do absolutely nothing and get the corporate glad hand when you leave public service’)by the FDA is that they DO NOT TEST ANYTHING by and large.
people seem to have, and i am not sure it’s not an image entirely fostered by the fda themselves, at least they rarely talk about it, this mistaken notion that the fda has legions of scientists who test everything, especially drugs that they ‘ regulate’. this has never been so. they do not have the will nor the resources nor the has it EVER been part of their protocols to do so. Congress ,who oks the small amount of public funding of the fda, is fond of passing numerous regulation and enforcement updates to the various food and drug acts that it later refuses to fund. in effect, the congress men get all the glory for allegedly giving the fda more teeth so the public assumes they’re doing something then they quietly turn around and without much public scruntiny refuse to fund their various soap boxy pieces of feel good legislation.
the department of agriculture DOES go out and test meat and meat plants etc. on the otherhand, because it is funded and set up to do so. the fda was spun off of the USDA in the 1930s.and spin apparently it continues to do protecting private profits for large drug and agriscience concerns.
the congress is as much to blame for the hideous track record of the fda and it’s lack of regulatory bite as the president who elects drug and agriscience employees to positions of power at these federal departments and the congress who get oodles of political contributions and swag from said companies and are not honest in funding the bills their mouths are writing.
so companies themselves do all the testing and provide reems of paperwork that the government trusts are true and accurate. and thus thalidomide (a sleeping drug which caused woman in europe to give birth to limbless children)almost made it to the american market. these companies are regulating themselves and they whine and scream constantly about how much power the fda has over them- which is a joke. the fda has little power over these companies save in what goes on the label( if you can belive that-but its true).the fda doesn’t go out and test because it never has and probably never will save when something with a high enough death toll occurs and then youd be surprised or not at how drug companies in particular are good at keeping dangerous drugs on the market.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Pukanuba,
What an appropriate name! Thanks for the info.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:11 am
i went to the supermarket this week and every single major label brand-pretty much all they carry- was on sale.
a woman was shocked i had bought 20 jars of meat baby food- and i told them they were for my cats.i also bought an all fish cat food and she asked if i trusted it. i told her -sort of- but that i no longer bought any cat food with grain in it because that seemed the source of the problem.
she said she didn’t now that and seemed glad for the information. i assume she’s like many people- who know there is a problem, know you can’t trust big business but feel helpless and do not know what to do to fed their pets. for some people there’s no itchmo maybe no computer so they rely on media and our government. that our government and the media would leave these people, all of us, in fear and guessing is disgusting.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:24 am
http://V.Mercola.com/blogs/pub.....19048.aspx
http://V.Mercola.com/blogs/pub.....12516.aspx
June 19th, 2007 at 10:29 am
well, crap. That didn’t come out either. I give up.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:31 am
How about Duane-o’s Smith-Buckin boss?
http://www.smithbucklin.com/ab.....givray.cfm
“Henry S. Givray returned to SmithBucklin in 2002 as Chief Executive Officer, bringing more than 30 years of management, client service, operations and business development expertise, including 13 years of experience with the company from 1983 to 1996.”
This link is an e-mail page for him:
http://www.smithbucklin.com/ab.....ivray=true
Or:
http://www.smithbucklin.com/contact/
+1.800.539.9740
infoATsmithbucklin.com
PFI was also using the services of a crisis management company called Levick. Specifically, they were dealing with Gene Grabowski there–here’s how to reach him for questions about PFI:
http://www.levick.com/resources/team/grabowski.php
202.973.1351
ggrabowskiATlevick.com
Levick provides “get me into/out of the news” services:
http://www.levick.com/expertise/in/
Maybe one of them can explain why Duane-o’s in conference with Elvis ;-) and why there’s been no Press Release on the net to reflect the PFI “top story”.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:51 am
menusux at 9:45 pm
Duane O’ has ZERO credibility amongst Americas pet owners and parents.
I wonder if this guy ever considered “retirement”. Rather then try to drag everyone down into the hole he’s digging for himself.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:57 am
Could someone pleas send Me the link to the Beneful site? I almost lost a dog on Beneful and would like to go to the site.
PS- My 3 kitties are pictured on Itchmo today. comment for Me??
June 19th, 2007 at 11:57 am
The PFI reminds me of some guys standing in a hole five and a half feet deep shoveling away thinking they are at a ground breaking ceremony.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Trudy Jackson,
Is this what you’re looking for?
http://www.doggybling.com/newsarticle.php?id=1099
June 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
5CatMom, Yes, thank you
June 19th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Trudy Jackson,
Forgot to add, just saw your kitty photos on the front page. They’re beautiful!
June 19th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Thanks so much 5CatMom
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
to xyz…some of us went to pet connection yesterday.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
Trudy the babies are Gorgeous! I was thinking the Beneful site was plain ol’ Beneful like this:
http://www.beneful.com
But I might be wrong.
You take Great pix Trudy.
Mittens you speak my mind! LOL
Worthless FDA, a mouthpiece!
Also guys, there were 2 stories over the weekend I wanted Itchmo to post on homepage sometime; 1 was a story about folks who found an abandoned baby Moose and were ottle feeding him and let him in the house. But the city has an ordinance about wild animals etc yada yada. And were talking about taling it away from them. Anyone else see it??? Or know where to find a link or it???
I tell you watching that woman bottle feed that Moose was Great! :-D
The other one was, a Fox attacked a little girl in her backyard while she was playing {not with the fox!}. And it ran out of trees and jump on her and was biting her badly, her mom ran and started to get it off of her child and work at it and then a neighbor came with a stick or somthing and hit it. I don’t believe the Fox died or anything but, they said it had a Face full of Quills {porcupine?}
I’m sure the fox was in Serious pain but don’t know any much more than this. If it was caught and tested or had Quills removed etc.
Wonder if the Quills pain made it sick in the head or something.
The showed the little girl had stitches to show.
I havent seen this any where to post or send a link for Ben/Itchmo. I did not think to check who I was watching the stories on. Dif times dif channels.
BAD FDA! BAD, BAD!
{had to say that, I think it often enough! I don’t teach my pets that way but think it’s appropriate for the FDA! :-þ }
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
YaYa, thanks again and again. I love to take pics of My pets, or anyones’.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Ready for this:
My co-worker bought a puppy and went to the store to get his food. Guess what she bought? OMGGGGGGGGGGG WTF. She bought Beneful puppy dry. I thought I was going to have the big one. :o( I quickly educated her–she knew nothing about a pet food recall. I gave her all the links. She quickly went out at lunch and bought Innova. Whew.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
I was talking with My Dr. yesterday. She only mentioned the toothpaste, and one pet food being recalled. I stayed a long time and told Her everything. Why did she think i needed nerve pills? Geesh!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
I tell as many people as I know. It gets me started and boy look out!!!!!! It’s amazing how many people do not know what it going on. Very sad.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
when I took my littlest kitty in to get retested a few days ago (diagnosed with CRF a month ago, probably from NB venison/pea dry food), the vet had not heard a thing about the acetaminaphen issues. As soon as I can get to a computer with a printer, I’m going to print out as much as I can, but now with all the articles out about the FDA lab tests, I’m sure it will get ignored.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
plus she wanted to me to feed one of their renal formula diets, of course!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Of course—-I know my anal vet is not educated. I am educating him on german shepherds and the pet food recall. He is a keeper, and lives down the road from me.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
– people seem to have, and i am not sure it’s not an image entirely fostered by the fda themselves, at least they rarely talk about it, this mistaken notion that the fda has legions of scientists who test everything, especially drugs that they ‘ regulate’. this has never been so. –
As somneone put it a few weeks ago, the history of the FDA IS WRITTEN ON TOMBSTONES a/k/a Risk assessment!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
I wish they would hurry up and get the bottom of the acetaminaphen issue. What is going on with waiting about that?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Trudy Jackson at 3:18 pm
What is going on is they are waiting to see if people space out and forget about it.
The Rich Mans way of solving problems.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Oh Steve. how true!
Well, We won’t let them forget will we? Grrrrrr.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I’l put this out there again. Has anyboby, is anybody going to Call the FBI or someone, with test copies in hand and tell them Acetaminophen was found in FOOD? {even if these are pet food}
And who knows IF it’s in any Human food. Heard about/seen anything about anyone Testing *our* food for it???! {oh yeah, that’ll take about 3 months!}
Well Gee {snark} maybe the CDC should watch for increase of Liver issues as they were quitely asked to watch for an increase in Kidney issues recently.
It’s obvious no one is gonna do anything about this in an official capacity.
Well xcept repeatedly ask for the Sample from Expertox. See if they tested OTHER sample of food “on their own”, then they’d Know they have a “problem”. And we wouldn’t want that Right?
See, they can him and haw about the Expertox samples for weeks while doing nothing, on their OWN!
*How many* of those samples DID they test for their FDA Negative call? {wrong Lots etc.} 4-5-6? No matter. They passed judgement. And WE are Nutz.
And it’s a Damned Shame there is No HotLine Alert notification for Vets to get in Emails or Regular mail about anything {ANYTHING!} current.
Even ’suspect’, should make them all Consider it and WATCH and Report.
Grrrrrrrrr!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Hey gang, what would it take for US to set up a Citizens Commission on these things?
Any Ideas?
{I could do “anger management” LOL! }
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Ut Oh! 2 Grrrrrrrrs! LOL
I didn’t See that Trudy! LMBO
June 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Duane-o fights back:
http://www.petfoodinstitute.org/
“FDA found no presence of acetaminophen in its samples whatsoever.”
“no presence” and “whatsoever” are in bold face this afternoon. Still no Press Release with or without Texas expert quotes anywhere on the web….
While you’re talking to Elvis, Duane-o, why not ask him if PFI can use “Are You Lonesome Tonight” as their official song? Without everybody’s $, all of you must be!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Ok, since PFI seems to read here and publish the contrary to what WE’VE found in testing; What if we say We haven’t found any, do ya think they’ll publish THEY HAVE?! Ahahahahaha! NOT!
They must be having slow days there, that they have to be current on topics by reading here. Ya Think?!
Very sad games they play with life.
So this must mean that there IS a *Criminal* putting Acetaminonphen In foods sporatically Right?
Can we call the COPS NOW?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
From the FDA site on June 15: “FDA Releases New Software Tool to Help Keep Food Facilities Safe from Attack .”
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/.....01652.html
“The name of the risk assessment software is derived from the acronym CARVER, which refers to six attributes used to evaluate targets for attack.
Criticality: What impact would an attack have on public health and the economy?
Accessibility: How easily can a terrorist access a target?
Recuperability: How well could a system recover from an attack?
Vulnerability: How easily could an attack be accomplished?
Effect: What would be the direct loss from an attack, as measured by loss in production?
Recognizability: How easily could a terrorist identify a target? ”
Apparently, all the food industry needs is a computer program to keep our and our pets’ food safe. Don’t you feel loads better?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Does anyone know about this food? Has anyone used it ?
http://www.miraclemix.com/index.html
June 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Chris: The ingredients of the buffalo dry food is interesting. How did you find this food? What is jicama?
Buffalo meat, tapioca, jicama, yams, pumpkin, peas,
chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols),
flaxseed, suncured alfalfa meal, blueberries,
cranberries, kelp, eggs, mangosteeen, Reishi
mushroom, turkey tail, artichoke, garlic, parsley,
kale, full-spectrum chelated minerals and vitamins
June 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
YaYa, I’m ready to do anything it takes to get to the truth. where the hell did the Acetaminonphien go? I want to know!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Just so you all know…..& don’t ask me why…..but when I attempted to go to that miracle mix website, two of my security programs popped up & told me not to go to this website, danger was flashing in red letters. I checked & it had the website listed correctly. It’s some kind of phony website. Didn’t go into any detail so I can’t tell you any more than that but I decided to come back here instead…..thought I’d mention it as a point of interest.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
Pukanuba–hmmm—that is weird. You know.I thought it was to good to be true. I will find out if it is a legitimate web site. thanks for the info–still on a quest for a good food.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
re; miracle mix web site- I took a look at the ingredient list and was highly skeptical.Cats are obligate carnivores and while they do require a certain amount of fibre I would think they don’t really need 3 different types of starches(tapioca,jicama,yams) as are listed for the cat food ingredients.Do a google on mangosteen - the wikipedia site listed polyphenol as one of the components of mangosteen -at least at some point in it’s development - phenols are poisonous to cats - and the jury’s still out on garlic (and onions) for both cats and dogs - while a little may not hurt ,too much can cause a fatal type of anemia (heinz body anemia)
June 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Todays Syracuse New York newspaper has an interesting article on Honey imported from China and what Senator Schumer is proposing to do about it. http://www.syracuse.com/articles/news/index.ssf?
I emailed Schumer asking him to support COOL all I got in return was a form email.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Oh yes the honey has rice sugar in it and a banned antibiotic.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
I called and spoke to one of the owners at Miraclemix. The gentleman answered ALL of my questions re their dog food. He is an animal nutrionist. He sounds like he knows his dog food. I may order some samples for my dogs. FYI– this is a legitimate web site.
Thanks Chris for the website!
June 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Stella–I know nothing about cat food, but the buffalo dry sounds good. I don’t know–so many foods out there–yikes. Who knows anymore. If I had one dog they would be on home cooked food for sure. This is bull!
June 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
Barb: Thanks for info on that website. I wasn’t sure what was going on as that has never happened to me before. Not just one of my security programs but two. Something on that website must have set something off.
Glad you called & got more info. Didn’t mean to alarm you, just wanted to give you a heads up.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Pukanuba–no problem—thanks for keeping us informed! The ingredients seem a bit too rich for me..oh well. We’ll see. Back to the drawing board.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Pukanuba,
Freaked me out for a sec. Glad it’s ok.
Barb, thanks for checking on it. I may check it out as well.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
I sounds fairly good Chris, says tho “a division of Georgia Pet Food”. I found Nothing on any Georgia Pet Food {company?}. I’d find out more about this “aspect” about them. Make sure they aren’t part of Diamond or anything.
Jicama, is a mexican veggie. sort of like a potato. I like them peeled and in strips and with a salad dip- they are Crunchy!
I think that have alot of starch. Fairly cheap veg. and usually Large in size. Bigger than yor hand. Brown outside, white flesh inside.
Anyone else find anything on a”Georgia Pet Food”??
IF they prove to be Legit and Tainted Free in any way, the Grainless is interesting to me.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
I’ll check that out, YaYa. But please don’t give cats anything with onion in it. even baby food. Very dangerous.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Trudy, my Cat loves garlic but doesn’t get very much in the wet I make. Did this MiracleMx have onion in it?! I missed seeing that. My cat would probable not like something with onion anyway. hmmmmmm.
And someone mentioned mangosteen, I’ve never heard of that one at all. They mentioned it was not good either.
On another topic, has anyone heard of this Simmons “private label” Pet food cannery? I think it must be in the South too, as it came up when I was looking for the Georgia Pet Food thing.
Wonder just who their “private label” customers are?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
On the CARVER FDA thing, wonder how many Bells have to RING to set the Whole thing off? Have we hit the bell ringer YET?! :-P
Also looks to me that 3 of the 6 categories, lean towards or are interested In the “Financial direction” for “damage” etc. Meaning, the folks *who Make the Foods* and what They Sustain. {and their recovery from}
Not so much the “victims” of any such catastrophy/experience.
Same old same old.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
OK, now i’m off on My hunt.
The news did say We had a ton of toys from China this year that was recalled. And the eye balls that You can get at the doller tree were filled with kerocine. Nice for kids huh?
Also, a part of Gates County, where My girls live has a huge fire going on. so i’ve been on the phone with them, all is ok where they live.
So, now i’ll look and see if i can find anything.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Barb,
jicama is sort of like a mexican potato. Has a bit of a sweet taste to it. They are great on salads. I happen to have on in the frig. Wondering if they are good for dogs???
June 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
I’m wondering why I can’t find anything on Georgia Pet Food Co. I can only guess that perhaps this is one of the big PF companies trying to pull a fast one. I believe they will put out food under other names knowing that we’re boycotting their stuff. They’ll get us to buy one way or another. Or so they think.
I think I’ll stick with my cooking & a little bit of dry for now. I’ve been doing well with the small companies & I think I’ll stick with them. Anything that I’ve never heard of before gets me to wondering if this is one of the biggies under a new name.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Barb,
Never mind. YaYa already answered the questions about jicama’s.
I’m on a search for good kibble.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
YaYa $ Pukanuba–I found out something i didn’t even know. There is a place in Ga. and right here in N.C. good lord. It’s called , Summit Pet Products. Lots of info on these
http://www.cnn.com/2005/us/12/.....index.html
http://www.summitpet.com/companyprofile.aspx
If these don’t come in I’ll email them to one of you, and you can put them down.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Some more
http://www.stockhouse.com/medi.....id=8571579
http://www.stockhouse.com/news.....hyear=2007
June 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Cant find anything on Georgia Pet Food Co. But in searching, found this.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/a.....food2.html
June 19th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
regarding starches in dry food–unfortunately any dry formula has to have starch of one sort or another to hold the food together. From what I’ve read, anything less than 50% starch (more than 50% meat) will just fall apart, no matter how it’s cooked. So any dry food that is made without grain will be made with another starch–potato (Evo) & tapioca (Nature’s Variety Instinct) are the two biggies right now for the grain free foods. They may be grain free but definitely not carb free!
I never read all that about potatoes as cancer-causing before I looked at that site a few minutes ago, but I did hear thay can be a problem for dogs with arthritis or joint problems. Something about the chemicals in potatoes binding with necessary nutrients that affect bone & cartilege.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
From Duane,
“With respect to the announcement of the detection of acetaminophen in some pet food products is being investigated by the industry as well as FDA, and FDA testing found no presence of acetaminophen in its samples whatsoever.”
http://www.petfoodinstitute.org/
———————————————————————–
Hey Duane, got a few questions for you.
1. Is that the same FDA that believes 16 pets have died?
2. Is that the same FDA that told us (repeatedly) that the existing food supply was safe, and then there was another recall, and another, and another?
3. Is that the same FDA that told THEIR employees to feed “natural” food?
4. How much food have YOU tested?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Pukanuba–that’s funny you got the warning banners on that website. For the last 3 weeks, whenever I access any webpage on the Itchmo site, my spam blocker puts either a big yellow or red banner across the top of the page, “warning this site could be a scam, proceed with caution!
June 19th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
One pet food company in Ga. is called -Summit Pet Products Inc.
The other one is–
Red Bandanna Pet Food - alpharetta, Ga.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
cats are generally known to be allergic to onions-or so ive been told by my vet and the rescue people who i adopted my torties from. i have to check the baby food i get for them in case. (i guess the rescue people use baby food to lure out feral cats theyre trying to catch to fix.)
June 19th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
re; the miraclemix thingy - I’ve done some surfing and possibly miraclemix/georgia pet food is basically just a retailer selling what could be “Great Life Pet Foods”
check out these links and see what conclusions you come to:
http://www.greatlife4pets.com/
http://www.1doctorschoice.com/.....gFood.html
http://www.healthyplanetrx.com.....canine.htm
June 19th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
YaYa, was it any help? The Red Bandana? In Ga.?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
And there is a division of diamond Pet food in Ga.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Ya Ya & Chris–thanks for the info. I spoke to the dude at the Georgia pet food company. His name is David, he is one of the owners. He said his company is small. He said he gets all his meat from the local farmers. I was on he phone with him for a long time. He sounds like he knows his dog food. I told him I was feeding Canidae and he said that was not a bad food. Good thing!!!!! Who knows what he is saying is true. I asked him about Innova Evo dry and he said it was a good food as well. The buffalo dry food he is selling sounds good to me–but…I’m afraid of diet change–shoot–I even hate changing husbands! hehehe me bad.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Stella–I will check it out. I want to see if there is any relation. He does have a lot of products he wants to sell to you. He knew a lot about the german shepherd breed–until he said “I hope your dogs are not American Bred”. Um, excuse me, but they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o) Then we really started talking……ahhhhhhhh
June 19th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Anything with onion in it will make a cat anemic.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Who asked about the Mangosteen?
http://en,wikipedia.org/wiki/
June 19th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
I have a whole bunch of things saved. all of the things i tried to send. write to Me privetly and I’ll send them to you. My email has already been out there.
By the way, I have had some very strange phone calls. I can’t understand what they are saying and sll that?? what’s that about?
And don’t forget to write Me your stories about all you’ve been through.
magesticats@netchange.com
June 19th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Stella–I checked out all three sites and they are the same foods. It’s really strange. One says they ship from Californa, but yet the only guys ships from Georgia–me staying away from them.
Chris–let me know when you find a good kibble.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
I still keep hearing Evo is a great food. I wish I could afford it.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Well, I hope I helped someone tonight.It’s late here so i have to go and get things done.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
i’ve been using EVO( the copper bag with the cute abby on it) for several months- to switch my baby torties away from the dry Pukrina’ kitten chow ‘they were addicted to. my older girls were also becoming kitten chow closet junkies-they were sneaking into the feral quarantine that was my bedroom and devouring it.
they all seem pleased with it and the ones who eat it most- the torties- are all plump and have shiny coats and are full of energy. my older cats snack on it-i was switching them from their cat chow when i’m at work leave food out choice- and seem to really like it. ive noticed less puking, less fur balls.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Petslave:
I don’t know what the red danger sign flashing is all about……every now & then my antivirus will warn me about a website but this time both my antispyware & av came up. AV blocked it & the other one was the danger sign & said it was a phishing site which I believe is a phony website. Something triggered that…..so I was just letting everyone know. I’m sure they can be wrong but I decided not to visit that site. I also have McAfee SiteAdvisor & that turned red…..green means the site is ok. Maybe they programmed something on the website incorrectly & it’s flagging my security software. Who knows.
Stranger things have happened.
Trudy:
I did notice that Diamond had a place in Georgia when I was looking for Georgia Pet Food Co. That put me off right then & there. It may be a small company but anything that pops up now, I think I’ll stay away from…..these jokers from the PF companies will try anything to suck our money away from us whether it’s by deception or not.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Pukanuba,
I noticed that also. When searching for Georgia Pet Food Co. The first and many others after come up with something about Diamond Recall plant in GA. They may have nothing to to with Diamond & the name never came up. Bothers me that I cant find a listing in the phone book for (GPF Co.).
The search for kibble continues.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
Wow Stella, looks like you’re right about that Great Life pet food–it looks like those websites are just retailers for it. Interesting. None of those sites say who actually MAKES the food for them though. I’ll bet the Great Life people don’t have their own dry food manufacturer, so they must be using one of the other plants for it.
This time when I got on this page, I got the red banner–proceed with extreme caution. Guess Itchmo is on the red list of websites!
June 19th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Does anyone remember seeing this Great Life brand before the recall started? I did a lot of research on pet food last year & don’t remember running across it then. Wonder if it’s a recently created food–the raw coating is similar to what Nature’s Variety Instinct & Innova Evo have on them, & all those fancy ingredients–mushrooms & berries & mangosteen–are along the lines of the timberwolf foods. Wonder who DOES make this food?
June 20th, 2007 at 12:57 am
I think the Great Life one said something about starting business in 1996. You guys can find more Food! LOL It’s amazing!
What I think I might do is tomorrow try to get phone number from each of these Food sites and CALL them. Ask the the questions and Who or Where specifically they are made.
But we’ve decided to do the Summer schedules for the horses and that means an adjustment period for them like tonite. I had to go out and entertain my horse {as she is spoiled ROTTEN! :-P } because she gets routy and kicks the stall some and I don’t like that One bit.
It’s Boredom. They are a little routy right now.
They get bored from being IN their stalls in the Daylight hours and then have to wait till it cools off and go out at night. Their meals are turned around too.
It’s just TOO Hot for them outside right now and getting hotter for the next 7-8 days.
We’re up and working out there and they should Sleep in the day time right now. It’s a little difficult in the begining.
You’re tired and at the end of your day and they are bustin’ at the seams to get Outside!
So I got home kinda late tonite. And I’m pooped too.
Things will be upside down for a while. Gooooood Bath time weather for em tho :-D
You know a drought happens over a long time {years} usually, but it can be fix, in just a few days! {actually a month+ of rain and storms here :-þ }
BUGS Galore now! Man-O-Man!
I’m a little leary too about all these foods we’ve never heard of. Makes ya go Hmmmmmmmmmm
I’mstill wondering too about that Simmons pet food private label cannery. The site made it sound Huge and it expanded to Arkansas in 2005.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:30 am
We know that in January, Consumer Labs found Virbac Pet-Tabs Vitamin to have excessive lead in it.
Wow, who would have guessed what the company insinuated in a press release… pattern here folks?
http://veterinarysecretsrevealed.com/blog/?p=71
From Consumer Labs:
Virback AH, Inc Pet-Tabs®: (1/19/07) Issued a news release
inaccurately claiming that CL’s results were based on a “single
test” of their product. In fact, the results were confirmed in
a second laboratory prior to publication, per our published
protocol. Virbac also claimed to be “actively investigating”
the report, but, on 1/29/07 it announced that it had still not
completed its investigation. Typically, a lead test can be
properly conducted in one day. We would expect Virbac to have
announced its findings by now. The release also stated “the
level reported is more than 2,800 times below the chronic
toxicity level determined safe for dogs…” Virbac’s statement
suggests that a dog can tolerate approximately 4,000 mcg of
lead per day. This is difficult to believe considering that
children may experience lead toxicity at over just 6 mcg per
day and adults at less than one hundred micrograms per day. CL
has not claimed that the amount of lead found in the product is
toxic in itself to pets, but recommends that pets, like people,
should avoid unnecessary lead exposure.
ConsumerLab.com’s testing methods are always immediately
available within its reports. CL maintains a cooperative policy
to provide manufacturers of failing products detailed test
results for their product upon request and the opportunity for
re-testing of the tested product by a third party.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Somewhere in this thread (at least I think it’s here) there was discussion about Pet Promise & somebody came back & said it’s a Purina product. I would check any new pet food on the market because I still say they will try to give new names & fancy labels to the same old same old. I just saw an ad in a mag for a new cat food called natural something or other but it does have the Purina logo on it. Not all of them will display a logo of the company but will look like a new “all natural” pet food. I could be completely wrong on this but something tells me a lot of new foods are going to be coming out, all claiming great & wonderful things.
Also, have read a few articles recently about prices going up big time. Apparently, PF companies are actually seeking out decent ingredients for a change. The little guys, who have been using the good stuff all along, are finding they are becoming more & more scarce……which, we know, is what causes prices to soar. It’s bad enough for most of you with vet bills & also the expense of home cooking without pet foods going up & becoming more & more expensive. There MAY come a time when some of us will want to go back to commercial pet food……
Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is to check out any food that appears to be new to the market. You could be paying money to one of the big PF companies that you swore to boycott.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:46 am
Prices going up because their seeking better ingredients . Prices also go up to cover their losses. We are not buying the crap anymore.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:50 am
Prices will also be going up for a couple more reasons. Simply because it’s their Habit to raise prices {despite years of cheap imported CRAP}; they have set a pattern with their Stockholders of Great profits, and Stockholder demand results with Profits {or you just might loose your job}; and they take advantage of Any market trends and use that as reason to Hike prices, right now one being Corn, it’s gone way up in price due to the Insanity the world thinks Ethanol willl “save the world”. Ethanol is a Corn product.
I read an article recent that is a few years old it was something like “We’re “feeding” our Cars and Not ourselves”.
It’s Very timely now.
In the nuttiness to rush out and make *profits* off of Corn for Ethanol right now, noone has taking the time to consider MANY of the products we EAT are corn based or have corn products in them, {including the pet foods we USED to use so much}
Corn syrup is in Everything.
So why not take advantage of the Markets {intead of making a Good SAFE pet product} and rip the customers Off evenmore Now! Everyone ele is doing it.
Almost every aspect of our Foods here in the USA are Corn related. {from the grain the cow eat to make milk butter ceese etc to the cattle for Meat, hogs, birds, horses, squirels, the Deer in the Fall at Harvest time feed on the field spillage, mice steal every grain hey can get out of feed bags and Corn is Primo :) Think of what Corn alone means to ‘US’.
Corn syrup is in Everything.
Now Much of it’s going to Fuel.
Feed is Expensive, so Milk and butter and meat and and and Go UP for the consumer. We pay Now at the Pump, we pay Now at the Market too.
Consumer bears the double whammy. And NOONE Planted Grains for BOTH purposes to prepare and for this Crunch WE have to bear right now.
Ethanol can Not be moved by Pipeline either. It must be shipped by Tanker trucker. {hmmm is that diesel in that tanker truck? to Move that Ethanol?}
The Stock market has been Insane for the past 6 years or so. Profits are Up. Could be Good could be bad, depending on who you are and how much you know about what’s Coming IN from where and what that cost.
We’d venture to say that W HERE, have learned Alot in a few months on how the “economy” Works.
Plain and simple, Pet Food cos. aren’t any different than the rest. Cheap for High bucks for Profits Only.
Use every excuse to Raise a price they can.
EVEN when they buy Cheaper Poison on the International markets cause it Made them a Profit.
Now when they should EAT a profit Drop, they Use the market as an excuse, to Hike prices. {as are all the other Food Manufacturers}
BETTER ingredients?
And here, that’s What I thought I’d been Buying all along.
We don’t buy their Crap any more either. THAT should help the economy! :-P
On the LEAD thing. Since When is Lead good or ok in Any-thing regarding {Food} consumption?
For any Creature that wants to Live and be able to Think?!
So I guess this means, Animals don’t count.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:50 am
Have You all tried this site? If you have, i’m sorry
http://www.greatlife4pets.com/
June 20th, 2007 at 11:55 am
And this-
http://www.1doctorschoise.com/
June 20th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Is this the same one you had?
http://www.miraclemix.com/
I think all of these are out of Ga.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
I don’t think they are all from Georgia - the miraclemix URL is registered to a guy in Marietta. If it is a DBA, you might want to ask him - or search the Georgia Secty of State Records for corporation, and make sure they have a sales tax id if they collect taxes (esp GA). Rubicon seems to be a pet product company.
For the heck of it see if the address in the url domain is a business area or residential.
If you want to know who owns the urls (site name)
http://www.samspade.org
June 20th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Thanks AnnH. I changed my mind about calling them all individually.
I read in this thread or another the post by Menusux? where they said a pet food site “steve’s” I think had All the info PUBLISHED for you. Suppliers for each ingredient and their websites, so you can call Them if you want. States on the site All American ingredients etc..
Everything a Pet Parent would want PUBLISHED!
So I thought, Why should I do the phone work when it is Entirely possible for Food compnies, IF they Want your Business to do This Same Thing!
Sort of makes me mad they Do Not Do This Yet. At least following the Recalls and concerns, And Now when we Highly suspect More Poisons in Foods too.
THEY need to get with the program and Aid the Consumers.
If they want to alieve our fears then thats the Program they should be following.
Plenty of Us and folks we don’t even know Have called tons of Food companies. And asked “the questions”. And mostly what we get is DUH or I’ll call you back once I find out.
I’ve got 3 that told me that, more than a month ago and No call back {yet}.
Wonder why.
Others were much better and Knew.
Food companies PUT It Out There in Plain Sight! Time for the guessing games to Stop.
Otherwise they won’t get the Business.
I really Doubt this are “trade secrets” involved!
Safe, Wholesome, labeled properly.
Get It?
So there is that.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
I asked that and from what I understand there are “subtle” differences in formulas that occur.
I have 3 varieties of my rotation cat foods that surely had those “subtle” changes cos I’m sitting here now with new product they gag over and the last old cans they ate. Same day feeding - different UPCs - rejected the new ate the old..same variety/flavor/brand. And guess who doesn’t have anything they want to eat and am now scrambling for cat food? Moi.