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172 Responses to “Recall Update: Tuesday (FDA Says 4150 Pets Reported Dead)”

  1. Jenny says:

    Well - I didn’t like Wysong’s attitude about another pet food company that they had voiced on thier web page. This is another reason to not purchase their product. I sent the lovely link to a local pet food that has been pulling brands of food that have been involved in the recalls.

  2. 5CatMom says:

    Maybe all those post cards, emails, phone calls, etc., ARE starting to have an impact.

    Thanks to everyone for fighting the good fight.

    Sure need to get the media to get more involved, though.

  3. 5CatMom says:

    Here’s a good 3 page article from the Washington Post:

    Pet Deaths Spur Call for Better FDA Screening
    Imports Raise Concern About Human Foods
    By Rick Weiss and Ariana Eunjung Cha
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Tuesday, May 1, 2007; Page A01

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews

  4. nancy says:

    Not very good marketing by Wysong….they still attribute the problem to rat poison in the article…Nancy

  5. Lorie says:

    Wysong is defending Menu foods after it came out in the FDA trails that almost 50% of their test animals fell deathly ill or died from eating the food way back in Feb and they were going to do nothing, victim my A$$ . I blame Menu more than ChemNutra Menu had the results dead animals chemNutra only had a dry substance, with no end result to make them aware of concern. Shame on Wysong for screaming they that MENU was a victim of this.

  6. Lorie says:

    5CatMom,

    can you give me some more details on the plasma transfusion for the cats. When your cat became ill in December and they said food allergy did you switch foods? You have me worried?

  7. Sue J says:

    Wyssong certainly isn’t run by business people, else their FAQ would have been a bit less… outspoken. I agree with much of what they had to say, actually, about boycotting, and its effects on human lives.
    But, and this is a very BIG but - I was so passionately displeased with the way that Menu handled their response to the crisis - too much duck and cover, foot-dragging etc. Everything to to protect the business, and very little to protect the customer - and so, no, I won’t be using Menu made products anymore. I firmly believe that since the FDA is not capable of immediately halting sales, and initiating recalls, companies must all step up and act extremely responsibly, and altruistically. The only motivation to do that is unfortunately with consumer pressure such as boycotting, so the lessons can be learned and mistakes can be prevented. To all menu employees - nothing personal - but your company needs to be the clear example of what we, the consumers, will not tolerate.

  8. Carol says:

    Wysong has missed the main point, I think—MenuFoods may have not known that the wheat gluten was adulterated, but after 16 of their test animals died during the week of Feb 20-26 they did not disclose this to the public while they were still “looking into it”–Feb 26 thru March 16 is an awful long time for an awful high number of pets to become sick and die. I feel as a pet owner and consumer for many years of their product they had a moral responsibility to allow me to decide if I wanted to continue with their product, or stop, especially since during that time I was dealing with “unknown” ARF in 2 cats. In my emails to Sen Durbin and Whitehouse (RI) I stress the fact that the wait to release the info is immoral and should be illegal. The adulteration in the first place is a whole different story as we are beginning to understand …

  9. zenelvis says:

    could some one fill me in on something? i have been out of these threads for a few days, so i may not be up to speed. what i am wondering is, if melamine has been added to pet food for 15 years - why is it only now that it has reached this crisis point? what was different in the past several months? did they add more melamine?

    it just makes me wonder if melamine is indeed the problem.

    i am among those who is troubled by Wysong’s defense of Menu. troubled enough to not buy their products.

  10. menusux says:

    Can you say CYA Attempt?–from the current ChemNutra Home page–note their spinmeister is heading this one up:

    http://www.chemnutra.com/

    http://sdsternpr.com/chemnutra

    “(The purpose of this blog is to provide links to the most current news coverage related to the current pet food recall, investigations in the United States and China, and ChemNutra’s part in these rapidly evolving events. This is not an interactive blog, but anyone with questions or comments should write to steve@sdsternpr.com)”

    http://www.sdsternpr.com/

    “Stern And Company, a Las Vegas public relations firm, develops and implements strategic and highly defined corporate communications programs for its clients. Its professionals have senior level, long tenured experience as journalists in either the major media or as senior level communications executives at the nation’s leading public relations agencies or major corporations.”

    He has his own blog:

    http://asternglance.com/pr-com.....-bad-news/

    Don’t Bury The Bad News

    “The moral: Never bury bad news. Get it out. Fix what’s wrong if you can, or at least communicate a strategy to do so. Disclose and move on.”

    Statement-From Chem Nutra’s Home Page 2007:

    http://www.chemnutra.com/who.htm

    “ChemNutra imports high-quality nutritional and pharmaceutical chemicals from China to the US. We purchase our inventory from quality-assured manufacturers in China; most of whom we have strong relationships over the past TWELVE YEARS. Our US customers are manufacturers of food, pet food, and nutritional ingredients, who want high quality, the best service, and the most competitive prices.”

    ChemNutra’s 2005 Home Page:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200.....nutra.com/

    It’s like buying direct from China-without the hassles.

    ChemNutra imports quality ingredients from China to the U.S. for the feed, food and pharma industries. We are a professionally managed, American company experienced in negotiating, securing and delivering ultra-competitive pricing on high-quality chemicals and ingredients from over 200 quality-assured manufacturers in China. We bridge the business and cultural gaps, including all regulatory, compliance, import and transportation requirements.

    ChemNutra’s 2005 “About Us” Page:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200.....om/who.htm

    ChemNutra imports high-quality nutritional and pharmaceutical chemicals from China to the US. We purchase our inventory from over 200 quality-assured manufacturers in China, with whom we have strong relationships over the past twelve years. Our US customers are manufacturers of food, pet food, and pharmaceuticals, who want high quality ingredients, with excellent service and highly competitive prices.

    The types of chemicals we import are amino acids, vitamins, preservatives & antioxidants, nutritional minerals, proteins, flavors & flavor enhancers, thickeners & emulsifiers, acidifying agents, and sweeteners.

    The principals of ChemNutra have exported over $100 million of feed, food and pharma ingredients from China to manufacturers in the US and elsewhere worldwide. Annually, our volume exceeds 1,000 tons of Amino Acids, plus many other quality ingredients.

    Facts:

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/6859667.html

    “A search of public records found that ChemNutra filed for incorporation in California on Aug. 1, 2005, with a Pasadena address and Miller as its agent for service of processes. The company also incorporated in Delaware on Oct. 27, 2003.”

    http://litbrit.blogspot.com/20.....ckens.html

    “The company’s office in Las Vegas has only an address (and a locked door). No business name. The company has a business licence in Nevada but hasn’t filed for incorporation in that state. It is presently incorporated in California and Deleware (tax laws I guess). The company claims a 12 year relationship with Chinese companies, but its earliest incorporation was in Delaware in 2003 (California 2005). The company has “surrendered” its incorporation to transact business in California. The company shipped product from the Xuzhou Anying company in China from Nov 9th, 2006 until March 8th, 2007 when it claimed to have learned from Menu Foods that its product was suspected as the source of the pet food contamination.”

    You can’t possibly make 12 from 2003–when the company was first incorporated in Delaware.

    2007 Feed Product List

    http://www.chemnutra.com/feed.htm

    2007 Food Product List

    http://www.chemnutra.com/food.htm

    2007 Pharma Product List

    http://www.chemnutra.com/pharma.htm

    2005 Product List with clickable links–MANY more products available in 2005 for import than now.

    http://web.archive.org/web/200.....oducts.htm

    So what happened here from 2005-2007? Why are they importing less rather than more? “Great deals” prior to the wheat gluten which turned out to also be contaminated and they simply gave up sourcing the product?

    http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/o.....a9929.html

    “According to the Chinese government, Xuzhou Anying did not declare the contaminated wheat gluten it shipped to the United States as a raw material for feed or food. Rather, according to the Chinese government, it was declared to them as NON-FOOD PRODUCT, meaning that it was not subject to mandatory inspection by the Chinese government.”

    OK–you order food product and it arrives labeled as non-food. Unless this has been part of the way you’ve been doing business (nod, wink), wouldn’t this set off a red flag when you accepted delivery–even from the totally mercenary standpoint of possibly having been cheated?

    Mrs. Miller certainly can read the Chinese paperwork which was connected with the shipment, and it had to say somewhere that it was not food. But it set off no bells and/or whistles that there might be something wrong with this shipment–that indeed it might either not be food or contaminated.

    And it went on to the pet food manufacturers as if nothing was wrong. Now, if this is the first time this occurred and you did nothing, you’re guilty of gross negligence–if this is the way you did it then, did it in the past and do it today, it is FRAUD!

    The spinmeister can blog his butt off, but he can’t make 12 from 4 (incorporated in DE in 2003) and he can’t or won’t answer the questions re: labeled as non-food but accepted anyway.

  11. Sharon says:

    zene, the suspicion is that they got greedy and added too much with these latest batches of grains and that is what caused the death and illnesses. Or they might have done a gradual increase in melamine over a long period of time and reached such a level to cause all of this.

    I doubt it’s the second though because it’s too odd that so many animals got sick at the same time. Most likely a spiking occurred, based on greed.

  12. KatieKat says:

    My thinking on the Melamine is that it plain is not Melamine alone, but a combination of the multitude of pestisides and other chemicals that were already in the grains, add Melamine on top of it..boom bad mix.

    Or Melamine and GMO grains together make the deadly combo….either way bad news for us and our pets.

  13. Tooter says:

    Anyone From the Detroit Area? I found this on a search.

    Rescue 4 Uncovers What Pet Food Company Execs Did Hours Before Recall
    http://www.howl911.com/petfoodrecall.htm

    It looks like Rescue 4 Uncovers will have the story at 11:00 PM tonight

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/index.html

    I am not in the area (I’m in PA) Just wanted to give the “heads up” to those of you who can watch it.

  14. Tooter says:

    I am sorry, I messed up.

    Here is the first link:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/wdiv/2.....v/13222013

  15. KatieKat says:

    Man I wished I could get that news, I would love to see this!!

  16. Tooter says:

    I just wanted to say “Thank you” to all of you. I might not post much, but I sure do READ and you all have given me a Wealth of information!

    KatieKat, I sure wish I could see that News report too. Maybe this will get things started for the rest of the News Casts. We can only hope.

  17. Christi A. says:

    Tooter:

    I believe that link was from yesterday. It was posted on several boards last night. The “shocking details” they reported last night at 11:00 were that a Menu Foods exec sold his stock before the recall. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

  18. JanC says:

    Reading the BS on Wysong’s website leads me to believe that LOTS of pet food company officials/employees are following itchmo, pet connection & howl911 very closely. I’ve been reading as much as I can for weeks now & a lot of what they had to say I can tell you comes from these blogs. Boy oh boy, have they ever gotten an eyeful! I have to laugh when I think of what we all had to say about them. As much as I try to be kind to people & not hurt their feelings, in this case I made an exception…..I just can’t feel kindly towards these executives with them selling stocks & withholding critical information while people continued to feed poison to their beloved pets. I can’t even say that without getting furious all over again.

    I agree with Wysong in that Menu didn’t know it was adulterated but did they ever hear of testing a product before adding it to pet food? Did they ever hear of a timely recall once they knew it was adulterated instead of worrying about their stocks & losing their big bonuses? The way it was handled was criminal & although I (thankfully) never or rarely use wet food for my dog, I can tell you I don’t think I’ll ever buy it. If I did, I would have to do research to be sure it didn’t come from MF or ANI. Sorry, but I don’t believe ANI either…..I think they added something they weren’t supposed to in order to screw everyone & boost their profit. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

    If it weren’t for all of you & all of the people running these websites, this would have been swept under a rug. As it is, most people don’t have a clue about half of the foods that were recalled because they were never made public. I guess the pet food companies have the power to stifle the media & keep this quiet.

    Hopefully, when the postcards start arriving, it’ll give everyone a different take on this. As I’ve said before, my thanks to all of you.

  19. Christi A. says:

    Tooter:

    I just took a closer look at your link, which does give the impression that it is only a little over an hour old, but it is not. I think the time updates when anything is edited on the page, including the links on the bottom. It is from last night. Here is another example, http://tinyurl.com/3yjyxk, that article is from the end of March, but they keep updating the date so it shows up as a recent article when you do search for pet recall news.

  20. KatieKat says:

    The Video!!!

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/.....index.html

  21. blkcatgal says:

    I’m from the Detroit area. Did not see the 11 pm story but saw the promo. Showed Menu’s CEO’s big mansion in Canada. Here’s the link to watch it:

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/.....etail.html

  22. susanUnPC says:

    The FDA HOUSE HEARING is on C-Span2 at 7 AM PT. C-Span just ran a banner at the bottom of the screen announcing it.

  23. Gary says:

    “zenelvis Says:
    May 1st, 2007 at 8:44 am

    what i am wondering is, if melamine has been added to pet food for 15 years - why is it only now that it has reached this crisis point?”

    zenelvis:
    CRF in cats has been happening in great numbers in the past 15 or so years. So it is very possible they recently upped the quantity of melamine and maybe in combination with other poisons.

  24. maddy says:

    An article that was I believe here, or at petconnection sited GMO grain being discovered in shipment to UK via Netherlands and origin from China.

    U.K. stopped shipment as do not accept GMO grain. This was brought up much earlier that GMO’s use rat poison as a marker and that melamine is one chemical that shows up - could be more as in finding cyuranic acid.

    Also read article on another note here, of the Shuller(a couple) who have adulterated grain since 1985 and were caught and then again years later continued to adulterate.

    Lastly, the vitamin mix in organix dry is from the Netherlands? another problem? Is this the origin? or is china? who has taken over the vitamin industry with GMO and synthetic chemical processes? China for one.

  25. susanUnPC says:

    Hearing on FDA’s Critical Mission and Challenges for the Future
    Full Committee
    Tuesday, May 01, 2007, 1:00:00 PM, in 2154 Rayburn House Office Building
    http://oversight.house.gov/
    I can’t find the link to the live hearing, but it’ll be on C-Span2, I think. The last blurb I saw on C-Span2 was that the Senate will be discussing the FDA this morning, but that could have been an error.

    PLEASE SEE Christie Keith’s must-read Daily Kos Diary:
    “BREAKING: FDA says thousands of pets dead, Chinese import alert expands”
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....0317/13096

  26. susanUnPC says:

    This is the info at C-Span, with the list of witnesses from the FDA:

    House Committee
    Food and Drug Administration Oversight
    Oversight and Government Reform
    Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
    ID: 197886 - 05/01/2007 - 2:00 - No Sale

    Waxman, Henry U.S. Representative, D-CA
    Kennedy, Donald Commissioner (1977-1979), Food and Drug Administration
    Young, Frank E. M.D. Commissioner (1984-1989), Food and Drug Administration
    Kessler, David A. M.D. Commissioner (1990-1997), Food and Drug Administration
    Von Eschenbach, Andrew C. M.D. Commissioner, Food and Drug Administration

  27. Carol says:

    FOX News just did a great live interview with Sen Durbin who laid it all out!!! Hope many of you sawi it. Of course Fox’s reporter had to “get away” from that story and ended with the Iraq war but Sen Durbin did make this the lead story in his interview–hat’s off to him.
    He shredded Menu and the FDA!!!

  28. Natalie says:

    I was shocked and dismayed at the entire tone of Wysong’s “FAQ” page. Not professional, for starters, more like childish. Somebody should have slept on that idea and given it another thought before posting it.

    And I agree that Wysong misses the point about the problem with Menu Foods. The problem is animal testing and, in particular, their failure to immediately recall the food as soon as they knew there was a problem. They don’t have to know what the problem is when they know it’s killing pets.

    The congressional hearing certainly suggested that Menu’s recall occurred only because Iams forced them into it.

    That’s where Menu Foods lost any shred of respect.

    Really, I just can’t believe Wysong posted such a childish rant…

  29. Serijna says:

    That Wysong web page is IMO almost hilarious. More like “How to influence people not to buy your product and how not to make friends.. I cannot buy, however, that only the Chinese knew about the melamine addition. Too many American companies have offices/plants in China, they are not stupid and did not get big by being ignorant.. They had to know about it, if it had been going on for years.
    I think that something went wrong with their witches’ brews. Too much of something lethal and too much greed. The tainting is too widespread now. Wilbur-Ellis is also not a small company like Chemnutra. They and other apparently were hoping that ala Vegas what happens in China, stays in China. This is a big big scandal.

  30. Garyn says:

    I just spoke to Purdue. They say they are a totally integrated company and that their flocks are not involved and that they do not import their chicken food, they make it themselves and that there is no melamine in their poultry.

  31. Steve says:

    Time for criminal indictments. That Detroit Video made me sick to my stomach. Put every last one of them on trial. And all their cohorts and partners in crime in the industry as well.

  32. Steve says:

    Caution. Bastards at Work
    http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TSE:MEW.UN

  33. Natalie says:

    Email sent to Wysong:

    To Wysong Foods,

    I was shocked and dismayed to see this rather childish and unprofessional document appear on your website.

    While I support some of your points, such as the hysteria about corn and carbohydrates, those points are lost in vented anger and sarcasm.

    I found the following comment particularly odious given how many of us have unwittingly been forced to “experiment” with melamine in our pets’ foods, resulting in the deaths of thousands of pets:

    “Before being too critical of the ethics of others, pet owners must understand that when pets are confined to a home, yard, or leash and then fed what the owner selects, that is like a caged animal experiment.”

    Was it your intent to be callous toward the thousands of people with sick and dying pets when you made this statement?

    In addition, you miss the point of the rejection of Menu Foods. The point of contention is Menu Food’s failure to recall the food as soon as they became aware that it was killing pets. The congressional hearing made it plain that Menu Foods recalled the food when they did primarily because Iams forced them into it. Who knows how much longer they would have allowed millions of consumers to continue to feed contaminated food if they weren’t pressured.

    So now, after losing respect for Menu Foods, I’ve lost respect for Wysong. But in this case, Wysong has only itself to blame.

  34. menusux says:

    http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/.....01622.html

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE P07-75
    May 1, 2007
    Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

    FDA Commissioner Announces New Food Protection Position
    Commissioner of Food and Drugs Dr. Andrew C. von Eschenbach today announced the creation of the position of Assistant Commissioner for Food Protection to provide advice and counsel to the Commissioner on strategic and substantive food safety and food defense matters.

    David Acheson, M.D., F.R.C.P. will be assigned to this new senior leadership role.

    Currently, Dr. Acheson serves as chief medical officer and director of the Office of Food Defense, Communication and Emergency Response at the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN).

    In his new role, Dr. Acheson will work with individual FDA product centers, as well as the Office of Regulatory Affairs to coordinate FDA’s food safety and defense assignments and commitments.

    In addition, Dr. Acheson will serve as the commissioner’s direct liaison to the Department of Health and Human Services, of which FDA is a part, and to other U.S. departments and agencies on food safety and food defense related inter-agency initiatives.

    “The protection of America’s food supply and therefore the safety of Americans eating food of domestic or international origin is of utmost importance to me as a physician, and to the mission of this agency,” Dr. von Eschenbach said. “We’ve seen a rapid transformation of the food safety system due to advances in production technology, rapid methods of distribution, and the globalization of food sources. Dr. Acheson’s wealth of experience, and knowledge of the science behind food protection, will help the agency keep pace with this transformation in order to ensure that the safety and nutritional value of our food supply is second to none.”

    One of Dr. Acheson’s first projects will be the development of an agency-wide, visionary strategy for food safety and defense. The strategy will identify and characterize changes in the global food safety and defense system, and identify current and future challenges and opportunities. It will also name potential barriers, gaps, and most critical needs in a food safety and defense system. The strategy will serve as the framework in helping the agency prioritize and address food safety and defense challenges.

    As a CFSAN office director, Dr. Acheson currently has had the lead for emergency response, as well as outreach and communications to industry, state and consumers on issues pertaining to the center. He manages a staff of epidemiologists, biostatisticians and others in providing risk assessments, aid in epidemiological investigations of foodborne outbreaks, and other important center-wide functions.

    Before joining the agency, Dr. Acheson held several research and academic positions. He has served as an associate professor at the University of Maryland Medical School in Baltimore, where he focused on research of foodborne pathogens and, prior to that, as an associate professor at Tufts University in Boston, where he undertook basic molecular pathogenesis research on foodborne pathogens.

    Dr. Acheson is a graduate of the University of London Medical School in the United Kingdom, with training in internal medicine and infectious diseases. He has published extensively and is internationally recognized both for his public health expertise in food safety and his research in infectious diseases. Additionally, Dr. Acheson is a fellow of both the Royal College of Physicians (London) and the Infectious Disease Society of America.

    Dr. Acheson will begin this new assignment immediately. He will report to Dr. Murray Lumpkin, Deputy Commissioner for International and Special Programs.

    Sooo……

  35. zenelvis says:

    Gary Says:
    CRF in cats has been happening in great numbers in the past 15 or so years. So it is very possible they recently upped the quantity of melamine and maybe in combination with other poisons.

    Gary, do you have any links to more info or stats on this? I don’t doubt it for a second, but I’d be interested to see if any research had been done on the increase.

    Thanks to you all and thank God for this website.

  36. Kiki says:

    My e-mail sent to them at 8:58 am, May o1, 2007 EST

    Dear Dr. Wysong,

    After having read your attempt at vindicating Menu Foods for their actions/inactions during this pet food recall catastrophe, I can no longer support you and your pet food company. I am extremely disappointed by what you have chosen to write regarding your seriously flawed interpretation of so-called “Internet claims” and your rebuttal. Obviously, you just don’t get “it”. First and foremost, if it were not for the few major websites that stayed on-top of this unfolding crisis, many more pets would have died due to incomplete and inaccurate actions and reporting by more formal means such as Menu Foods, the media, and the FDA. All of these conduits of information were completely unresponsive and asleep on the job. Indeed, the unfolding pet food catastrophe and discovery of the problem of purposely adulterated human and pet food by Chinese suppliers would never have emerged at all if it were not for these dedicated websites and concerned pet-owners and animal enthusiasts.

    Most, if not all information on these websites are accurate and timely. In the very few cases where information may not have been 100% accurate, I have personally witnessed these websites retract their own errors and update accordingly. In addition, most intelligent people can differentiate fact (what the websites reported daily) from opinion (forum feedback of those facts). I would also go as far as to say, the harshest critics of potential mis-information have been the users themselves - who often demand proof of statements made or have countered with their own set of data and debate.

    Why has Menu Foods been vilified by the public?

    Menu Foods has been and will continue to be vilified by the public simply because they did not do the right thing. To this day, they have not done the right thing. If they decide to do the right thing at some point in the future, I predict that it be too little and too late. Menu Foods could have chosen more appropriate responses to the emerging crisis and to the pet owners at any time over the course of the recalls, but chose otherwise. In fact, it was their selfish and self-absorbed approach to the crisis that directly contributed to incomplete recalls and probably contributed to more pet illnesses and deaths. This is the main reason why Menu Foods themselves will remain forever “tainted” in the eyes of pet owners - even after the crisis eventually ends.

    What could have been more appropriate responses by Menu Foods?

    Here are just few alternative and possibly more appropriate responses that Menu Foods could have taken:

    1. Take complete and utter direct corporate responsibility for the tainted pet food and act accordingly with timely and complete recalls. At the end of the day, Menu Foods is ultimately responsible for ensuring a safe product. If they wanted to recoup losses from their upline (suppliers, etc), they could have done that in private - independent of their direct corporate responsibility to pet owners and brand customers.

    2a. Apologize and unequivocally take IMMEDIATE financial responsibility for the damages - pet illnesses, deaths, on-going treatments and surveillance, and product purchases. This was not a time to put an undue burden of evidence on the pet owner. A simple vet letter or any reasonable piece of evidence should have been enough. Many people had to euthanize their animals because they could not afford medical treatment (I fortunately did not lose an animal to this recall). This compensation could have come out of a Menu Foods Pet Food Compensation Fund. A simple consumer form, vet receipts, and other relevant documentation such as food receipts, food samples or bags/cans, proof of address, social security number, or other means of verification should have released funds immediately to the affected pet owners.

    b. Another approach could have been the direct payment to vets who would have had the diagnostic info and treatment plan.

    c. Yes, Menu Foods might have lost some money to fraud and might still have been sued, but Menu Foods would have retained their name and reputation. At the end of the day, no-one could have faulted Menu Foods for not doing the right thing.

    3. Be and stay front and center of the crisis with consistent public interaction, updated information, and possible recommendations. Instead Menu Foods modified their website to reflect nothing, hired people with incomplete scripts to handle their phones, and became completely unavailable to the press and public. The few times Paul Henderson, CEO of Menu Foods decided to make a public statement, it was only to defend Menu Foods actions and to blame others. Menu Foods showed no concern whatsoever to pets, pet owners, or brand customers. Instead of being industry leaders by successfully managing this crisis and by taking care of their obligations, they became part of the problem. No, they themselves became THE problem - the face, name, and the primary cause of a terrible situation that quickly turned into a crisis.

    4. Should not have fed tainted food to healthy animals. Palatability tests are considered ethical because of the equipoise of risk and benefit - that is, feeding tests are considered either balanced or in favor of a benefit to animals. Once Menu Foods received information that there could be a potential problem with their food, the equipoise of risk and benefit was disrupted. At that point, they had a moral obligation to protect their healthy test animals from harm and to use alternative means to assess and rule out risk. Instead, they allowed a very high percentage of test animals to die. The estimated death rate of the Menu Foods test animals that ate tainted pet food seems to be much higher than the death rate among pets that ate tainted pet food. This suggests (but does not prove) that once the animals became sick at Menu Foods, these animals were not given treatment. If this is true - and Menu Foods DOES have this information - then this inaction too, is inexcusable and immoral. No pet owner can reconcile that a pet food company dedicated to making nutritious, safe food for pets, would or could purposely harm or kill animals without homes (test animals) to assure safe pet food for animals with homes (pets). It is morally irreconcilable.

    There is much more to mention, but it is probably safe to say that this short letter should suffice in giving a glimpse of how a company can survive a crisis, salvage a reputation, foster goodwill, and indeed, potentially INCREASE a customer base.

    Dr. Wysong, you are wrong in your assessment of the situation and in your support and loyalty to a company that had neither the courage nor the moral compass to provide the same support and loyalty to so many customers who have been harmed.

    In light of your interpretation of the situation, I can no longer support your company or your products and will actively share my opinion with other pet owners as the situation allows.

  37. Ann H says:

    Excellent Natalie.

    Points the PFI don’t want us to comprehend:

    A) They knew better than us the condition of the Chinese market / were obligated to know the condition of the Chinese market, regardless of the spin from their importers.

    B) They had an obligation to their target market and the Brands to protect the reputations of the businesses and the lives/health of the companion animals.

    C.) They miserably failed

    - now Wysong doesn’t get that part. So, Bong! Wyson, you failed too.

    I did get emails and you all tried your sales pitch to switch over to * your * products. So, you’d sell out Menu to your benefit, but you can’t wear the shoes when they pinch?

    Ann

  38. susanUnPC says:

    PLEASE SEE Christie Keith’s must-read Daily Kos Diary:
    “BREAKING: FDA says thousands of pets dead, Chinese import alert expands”
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....0317/13096

    – I want to add that Christie’s diary is on the Recommended List, which means that hundreds of thousands of people are reading her diary, including many members of the mainstream media, which checks Daily Kos often. (If you haven’t signed up at Daily Kos, do so so you can recommend diaries by Christie, Jhritz, Abby, and me, and so you can also add comments. Pre-registration is required to add comments, but it’s very easy to sign up.)

  39. Donna says:

    For those of you not visiting the Making A Difference forums, I’m creating a Webshots online photo album of affected pets, to go along with the postcard blitz. I’m asking anyone whose pet was sick or died to email me a photo along with their pet’s name, the foods they ate, date of passing if they died, and contact info (email address, city and state).

    Email to: AngelSimba61 at yahoo dot com. I’ll post a link to the website once there are photos in it (my pets weren’t affected).

    Please spread the word. :)

  40. pat says:

    my e-mail to wysong. i’m afraid I wasn’t very polite, but I gave them as much consideration as they give us:

    I find it interesting that you should choose to defend Menu Foods rather than defend the welfare of companion animals.

    A variety of misleading claims and myths have been proliferated by pet food companies too. I don’t see Menu as being any better or worse than the rest. The sad fact is that the practice of using ingredients of questionable quality is not limited to pet food, as we have suspected all along and now know.

    I am not “hysterical”. I am *angry*. There’s a difference, you know. Attempting to trivialize those of us who have been affected by this situation as hysterical is grossly offensive.

    I’m particularly offended by the statement that because many individuals are cruel to their animals, it’s alright to look the other way when Menu foods is cruel to animals. Cruelty for profit is ok I guess. What genius wrote this “rebuttal” anyway? What do you hope to accomplish with it? Because what you’re doing is just making people more and more angry with you.

    I will never buy any of your products again. I will tell everyone I know not to buy any of your products. And not because you are involved with Menu Foods. It’s because you are thoughtless jerks.

  41. Steve says:

    Seeing that Menu Foods Plant in that Detroit New 4 expose made me want to projectile vomit.

  42. Gary says:

    I wonder if the workers in the MenuF filth hole are just as bad?

  43. susanUnPC says:

    The USA Today story was just updated 17 minutes ago:
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/.....usat_N.htm

    I can’t tell you how it was updated since I haven’t read the original story. But here are a few key paragraphs — and it sounds like us HUMANS are also going to begin to be protected:

    The Food and Drug Administration is enforcing a new import alert that greatly expands its curtailment of some food ingredients imported from China, authorizing border inspectors to detain ingredients used in everything from ***noodles to breakfast bars***.

    The new restriction is likely to cause delays in the delivery of raw ingredients for ***the production of many commonly used products***. … […]

    Now for the products to reach U.S. foodmakers, the importers will have to prove to the FDA that they are safe. The ingredients restricted include wheat gluten, rice gluten, rice protein, rice protein concentrate, corn gluten, corn gluten meal, corn by-products, soy protein, soy gluten, mung-bean protein and amino acids.

    According to the alert notice posted on the FDA website Friday, the agency has so far taken 750 samples of wheat gluten and products made with wheat gluten and found 330 positive for melamine or melamine combined with another substance. It also found 27 positives out of 85 samples of rice protein concentrate and products made with rice protein concentrate.

    (emphases mine)

    NOTE: It sounds like the FDA is working very hard on this, and let’s remember that they’re understaffed and underbudgeted, so it’s much harder for them than it should be. Public pressure has no doubt accelerated and widened the investigation by the FDA, but it’s critical to note that they are being responsive, and for that they deserve credit, if not 100% praise.

  44. Steve says:

    Little insider manipulation going on here?

    http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TSE:MEW.UN

  45. Kiki says:

    Steve;

    How so, for us newbies on stocks? It looks like their stock went up - what could they be doing to “manipulate” their stock value??

  46. menusux says:

    OK–if we haven’t stirred up enough hornets’ nests, let’s try this–PFI:

    http://www.petfoodinstitute.org/

    Pet Food Industry Urges Federal Officials to Press Chinese Companies on Melamine-Tainted Exports

    Washington, DC, April 26, 2007 – The Pet Food Institute (PFI), which represents U.S. pet food manufacturers, today announced it asked the U. S. Trade Representative Susan C. Schwab and the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration Andrew von Eschenbach for swift action to answer questions about how melamine, a substance foreign to pet food, ended up in specific ingredients from China.

    There’s a release–here’s the 2 links for it:

    http://www.petfoodinstitute.or.....6-2007.htm

    http://www.petfoodinstitute.or.....enbach.pdf

    “The Pet Food Institute said it has been “heartened” by reports the Chinese government is actively investigating the two companies implicated in the shipment, but expressed frustration that it has taken so long for U.S. inspectors to gain access to Chinese facilities.”

    “Fortunately, some 99 percent of pet food still remains unaffected by the recall and may be purchased with confidence,” Ekedahl wrote. “But until the ultimate source of the contaminated ingredients is identified and contained, we cannot rest.”

    OK, if this is true, why is this necessary?

    http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/o.....a9929.html

    IA #99-29, 4/27/07, IMPORT ALERT #99-29, “DETENTION WITHOUT PHYSICAL
    EXAMINATION OF ALL VEGETABLE PROTEIN PRODUCTS FROM CHINA FOR ANIMAL OR HUMAN
    FOOD USE DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF MELAMINE AND/OR MELAMINE ANALOGS”
    PRODUCTS: Wheat Gluten
    Rice Gluten
    Rice Protein
    Rice Protein Concentrate
    Corn Gluten
    Corn Gluten Meal
    Corn By-Products
    Soy Protein
    Soy Gluten
    Proteins (includes amino acids and protein hydrosylates)
    Mung Bean Protein

    PRODUCT CODES:
    02G[][]08 - Soy Bean Meal/Powder/Gluten/Protein Isolate
    18E[][]03 Soy Protein Powder
    02F[][]08 Wheat Gluten
    02E[][]06 - Wheat Flour Gluten
    71M[][]01 Wheat Gluten
    02D[][]12 Rice Protein
    02D[][]13 Rice Gluten
    71I[][]03 Rice Protein
    71G[][]02 - Corn Gluten
    02B[][][][] Milled Rice Products
    54[][][][][]- Amino acids and protein hydrosylates

    http://www.petfoodinstitute.org/

    More from Home Page:

    “The pet food industry remains a partner in the investigation with the FDA and has cooperated with state and federal regulators since evidence leading to the recall first surfaced. The industry will continue cooperate fully with any other official investigations relating to this incident. [read more on PFI’s consumer site, PetFoodReport.com…] ”

    http://www.petfoodreport.com/whatweknow.htm

    http://www.petfoodreport.com/whatweknow.htm#labels

    Link for product names & labels–not working. OK, but there’s ANOTHER link at bottom left of the page “Product Names & Labels”:

    http://www.petfoodreport.com/labels

    Click it and this is what you get…

    Not Found
    The requested URL was not found on this server.
    ——————————————————————————–
    Apache Server at petfoodreport.com

    It looks like there’s no way to view labels at the consumer site, Pet Food Report.–Any guesses as to why not?

  47. E. Hamilton says:

    The wysong site, the entire site, not just the weirdness on the front page defending Menu Foods and insulting comments, is so out there, so strange that I wonder if someone is “off their meds”.

    How on earth are these silly , not too bright people running big pet food companies?

  48. Danielle says:

    “Let’s lynch Menu”? Wow. Guess Wysong’s lawyers never saw this webpage. That’s is a word that you just don’t use. To mock bereaved, concerned and frustrated pet owners is a sign that Wysong is just as greedy and self-motivated as Menu.

    And what was that defense of animal testing? Why didn’t they just come out and say “Shut up and go home, you hippie tree-hugging freaks” because that is most assuredly the message they were trying to convey. Any company that makes a living promoting the concept that their food is better for your pets, and then says that the animals that died in Menu’s tests were necessary casualties and no worse than people crating their dogs and feeding them food we haven’t personally tested IS NOT PUTTING THE WELFARE OF OUR PETS FIRST AND DOESN’T VALUE THEIR LIVES. Please do not support this company.

  49. Steve says:

    Kiki lot’s of things. We’ll get into that later.

  50. Debra says:

    I found this article titled “Pet Food Additive a Threat to Humans” on a South African site:

    http://tinyurl.com/2fyg55

    (Remember, they had the contaminated corn gluten.) Here’s a quote:

    “I worry that in the US and Australia, the government agencies are up in arms. In South Africa, I have seen no evidence of any government agencies getting excited,” said Reyers.

    Really? Just which agencies are up in arms? It seems to me that only pet parents are up in arms at this point.

  51. Kiki says:

    Can someone explain how to make these tinyurls. they are great, but how is it done?

    Steve, looking forward to a tutorial!

  52. Rick says:

    Hey folks,

    I sent the website RawStory.com an email about the fact that so little attention has been given to this story in the media and how we need help getting the word out better and they posted a story with the USA Today link. If anyone cares to hop over and leave a comment, it might help. And we’d have a chance to give props to itchmo.com, and the other pet blogs who’ve done all the hard work. Here’s a link http://rawstory.com/

  53. Pit Bull Lover says:

    E. Hamilton said: …”off their meds”?

    I’m LOL (at work, and trying to stifle it).

    I just wanted to thank all the Itchmo peeps, posters and agitators for your efforts in the real world and in cyberspace, for keeping us all informed on the latest news, and for offering empathy, humor and encouragement. Most folks around me seem to be on autopilot, and I found that maddening and extremely distressing. I’m grateful I found Itchmo (and other sites) where people actually give a damn. The news isn’t good, but at least it’s no longer completely supressed, and I think you all have had a part in turning that tide.

  54. Steve says:

    Kiki go here.

    http://tinyurl.com/create.php

    And it’s all explained. Easy.

  55. Kiki says:

    Thanks Steve!! now ’bout those stock prices…..? I’m enlisting you as my teacher today!!

  56. Fiona says:

    Hello everyone,

    I need some HELP please. I have been cooking my dogs their meals after this recall started. Chicken,green beans,carrots,sweetpotatoes, in the crockpot. What I do not know is how much chicken….(protein) should I be feeding them. I dont want to give them to much or to little.

    I called the vet yesterday to ask him how much protein to give and he told me to start feeding them sience diet!!!!!!!!!!??????????????

    Not going to happen…so I thought I would ask for your help. Does anyone know the correct amount. I have a 85lbs and 60lbs dogs.

    Thank you very much. Lets hope this will be all over soon. Wishful thinking I think!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so sorry to those that have lost their furry loved ones. My heart goes out to you all.

    Fiona

  57. susanUnPC says:

    Sen. Enzi, the minority ranking member of the HELP committee — which oversees the FDA — is talking about food safety, the pet food recall, etc.

    He is also worried that if the Chinese are messing with our food, what might they be doing to the DRUGS we import from abroad?

  58. susanUnPC says:

    Senator Enzi is speaking on C-Span2. VERY good. And I’m thrilled that the Republicans are on board about these grave problems with our food supply, and our drug supply.

  59. Sandy says:

    Check this out.

    For Immediate Release: April 30, 2007
    Contact: Jodi Seth/202-225-5735

    Contamination of Chinese Wheat Gluten Widespread
    Dingell, Stupak Dispatch Investigators to West Coast Ports

    http://energycommerce.house.go.....nr30.shtml

  60. zenelvis says:

    Fiona Says:
    I called the vet yesterday to ask him how much protein to give and he told me to start feeding them sience diet.

    Yeah, Science Diet is crap - my cats won’t go near it. You know, the more this progresses, the less I trust my vet, or any vet. Last year a vet gave my best buddy, Henry-cat, metacam after a minor operation. He died of kidney and heart failure less than 2 weeks later. Turns out giving pets meds off label is not only perfectly legal, it is pretty much a norm.

    This past weekend, I took my recent adoptee, a 15 year old male kitty named Ivory, for a check up. The first thing he brought up was the food recall. But, as we got into discussing it, I realized that he knew nothing - and I mean nothing - of the recalls and crisis outside of the initial Menu Foods recall. I was astounded. Am I too optimistic to think vets should be up on this? Needless to say, I wrote down itchmo.com and handed it to him.

  61. Jules says:

    Fiona, you asked:
    May 1st, 2007 at 11:42 am
    “What I do not know is how much chicken….(protein) should I be feeding them?”

    From “8 Weeks to a Healthy Dog” by Shawn Messonnier, D.V.M. (a holistic vet)

    Homemade Diet for Adult Dogs

    1/3 pound (UNCOOKED weight) lean meat, such as turkey, chicken, beef

    2 cups cooked brown rice; OR 2-3 cups mashed potatoes; OR 2 cups cooked pasta

    2 Tbsp. canola or olive oil

    1/4 tsp table salt

    Natural multivitamin/mineral supplement

    4-6 bonemeal tablets (10 grain or equiv.) or 1 - 1 1/2 tsps bonemeal powder

    1/2 - 1 cup fresh, raw, or slightly steamed vegetables

    This diet provieds approx. 964 cal., 34 gr. of protein and 49 gr. of fat

    This is approx. enough for a 25 - 30 pound dog, per day. Fo a 60 pound dog, you’d need to double the recipe.

    I hope that helps!

  62. 4lgdfriend says:

    zenelvis, you’re singin’ my tune. and a sour tune it is. then you see a piece like petconn has up, all but apologizing for the guilty party and asking petowners to cozy up to them again…..burns my boat. Vets are guilty by association and they know it. They’re defensive as hell if they’ve paid enough attn to even be that. High time it is known.

  63. Kiki says:

    Download a 2006 pamphlet on Nutrient Requirements for Dogs and Cats at the link. If you need help, please let me know. I have background in nutrition and can help with the conversions (if needed)

    http://dels.nas.edu/banr/dogs.html

    Calorie content of various foods

    Protein: Calories per 1/2 cup
    beef, raw (lean chuck) 199
    beef liver, raw 137
    beef, broiled (lean ground) 217
    lamb, raw (lean from leg) 117
    lamb, raw (lean ground) 275
    chicken, baked with skin 150
    chicken, baked without skin 128
    chicken, raw (lean ground) 150
    turkey, raw (lean ground) 157
    salmon, baked (no bones) 149
    salmon, canned (drained) 130
    flounder, cooked (4 oz no bones) 130
    sole, baked (no bones) 100
    cottage cheese, regular (1 tbsp) 54
    cottage cheese, low fat (1 tbsp) 13
    egg, cooked (1) 85
    sour cream 31

    Carbohydrate:
    brown rice, cooked 116
    barley, pearl, cooked 98
    oatmeal, cooked 72
    millet, cooked 98
    corn, cooked 89
    peas, cooked 38
    bean sprouts, raw 5
    potato, cooked (medium) 100-200

    Fat: Calories per tablespoon
    Beef fat 116
    Chicken fat 115
    Butter 102
    Olive Oil 119
    Corn Oil 120
    Safflower Oil 120

  64. Annie says:

    That video was so GROSS, My God the place was so dirty.

  65. Kiki says:

    FIONA and Others:

    Download a 2006 pamphlet on Nutrient Requirements for Dogs and Cats at the link. If you need help, please let me know. I have background in nutrition and can help with the conversions (if needed)

    http://dels.nas.edu/banr/dogs.html

    Calorie content of various foods

    Protein: Calories per 1/2 cup
    beef, raw (lean chuck) 199
    beef liver, raw 137
    beef, broiled (lean ground) 217
    lamb, raw (lean from leg) 117
    lamb, raw (lean ground) 275
    chicken, baked with skin 150
    chicken, baked without skin 128
    chicken, raw (lean ground) 150
    turkey, raw (lean ground) 157
    salmon, baked (no bones) 149
    salmon, canned (drained) 130
    flounder, cooked (4 oz no bones) 130
    sole, baked (no bones) 100
    cottage cheese, regular (1 tbsp) 54
    cottage cheese, low fat (1 tbsp) 13
    egg, cooked (1) 85
    sour cream 31

    Carbohydrate:
    brown rice, cooked 116
    barley, pearl, cooked 98
    oatmeal, cooked 72
    millet, cooked 98
    corn, cooked 89
    peas, cooked 38
    bean sprouts, raw 5
    potato, cooked (medium) 100-200

    Fat: Calories per tablespoon
    Beef fat 116
    Chicken fat 115
    Butter 102
    Olive Oil 119
    Corn Oil 120
    Safflower Oil 120

  66. susanUnPC says:

    If you want to discuss home cooking, there is a thread in the Itchmo forums where you can ask questions about suitable recipes, and share recipes:

    MAKING YOUR OWN PET FOOD
    http://64.79.216.38/~itchmo/fo.....board=62.0

    :::::::

    SANDY, thank you so much for posting the Energy & Commerce press release. This is critically important and should be featured on every blog about the recall.
    http://energycommerce.house.go.....nr30.shtml
    And NOTE that the Energy Commerce committee is holding a second hearing on food safety on May 17th, “at which the FDA’s food safety activities will be examined.”

    HERE’S the page to go to when today’s House Oversight hearing — on “The FDA’s Critical Mission and Challenges for the Future” — begins at 1pm ET:
    http://oversight.house.gov/schedule.asp
    – you should be able to listen to the hearing live here, and/or on C-Span3 (or C-Span2 TV).

  67. zenelvis says:

    4lgdfriend:

    And it makes me so very angry. I’ve only met one vet in my life who I have trusted, and who I could honestly say gave a damn about pets. (I’m 35 and have always lived with at least one cat or dog since I was, well, born)

    What really got me this past weekend when I went to my vet - and mind you, I think he’s pretty good when compared to many another I have been to and met (don’t get me started) - but what really got me was that he had never even heard of some of the pet foods I brought up - Innova, Blue Buffalo, etc. Did all of these vets sign into some sort of cabal wherein they can only mention Science Diet? I think of pet nutrition as being sorta key - so a vet not knowing about options strikes me as a human doctor who has never heard of antibiotics or something. Completely unforgivable.

    Unfortunately, I live in a small town in Maine, without many vet choices nearby and cats that are not car friendly…

  68. susanUnPC says:

    RE WYSONG: I’ve created a new topic area in Itchmo forums where you can all post your comments about Wysong’s statements on Menu Foods, and where you can also post the letters you’ve sent to Wysong:

    “WYSONG’S statements re Menu Foods / Letters to Wysong”
    http://64.79.216.38/~itchmo/fo.....opic=254.0

  69. Kiki says:

    Fiona and/or Others:

    Here is a link to a summary of the 2006 Report on Dog and Cat Nutrition by the naional Research Council.

    http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_b....._final.pdf

    If you need help with any conversions, let me know.

  70. Lorie says:

    http://community.webshots.com/user/MyPetCounts

    here is the link Donna set up for the photo album her email again is

    AngelSimba61@yahoo.com

    i just sent my info and pictures. If anyone can think of away to make this info more accessible please let Donna not there is probably a better way to organize this site, but I am not computer guru.

  71. Barry says:

    Tom Toles has an excellent editorial cartoon today about this whole mess: http://tinyurl.com/2wbwyu

  72. 4lgdfriend says:

    Zenelvis: I consider vets a pethealth industry subject to the same panopoly of abuses as any other. What really torques me is that the gross majority (I’ll be kind and say 99% not 100%) are exactly a “cabal” and they know it. Most do not appreciate the dumkopf petowner questioning their omnipotent wisdom. It’s a crock if you do any even small amount of digging. I’ve come to the point where I accept I must and will continue to *protect* my cat(s) from them. I use them ONLY for tests and then I read up on the tests, the labs and the results myself. Surgery only. I believe the plain truth is that many illnesses that pay their salaries have been caused by overvaccination, aided by poor nutrition. Try getting an education on that from any vet. I dare you. It won’t happen. I simply do not trust them. Period. They have lost my respect. To me, they are just another typical profit-driven industry cabal - that’s all. But knowledge can be had and I’ve got quite a bit - enough to ask the right questions. And I intend to protect my animals by continuing to ask them.

  73. alabelreader says:

    zenelvis,

    Wasn’t it a Canadian University researcher that found that a combination
    of melamine and cyanuric acid ( both found in tainted vegetable proteins)
    that produced a chemical effect that made crytals form in a specific
    ph enviroment that mimicked that of digestive system of our pets?

    University of Guelph I believe it was……..

    If I recall, it was stated that melamine and cyanuric acid ( the swimming pool chemical) when blended, turned cloudy and started to immediately
    form crystals, that are exactly like what’s been found in the kidneys of
    the victims ( pets) and that it had something to do with the ph of the digestive systems that made this chemical reaction…….I’ll see if I can find the article and post the link…….

  74. Sandy says:

    SusanUnPC - You’re welcome. I have been trying to keep up with the available news on this subject like all have.

    Regarding the Post Card Blitz:

    I haven’t lost any pets, but have been in alot of turmoil surrounding what to feed my pets. The PC Blitz should expand somehow to include ALL people who have been affected by this issue. I think that limiting it to only people who have lost pets or who have ill pets is leaving out alot of people that this issue matters to. Maybe we could have a PC Blitz for everyone affected. Or maybe the people that haven’t had pets affected could just send a regular postcard that says : I haven’t lost a pet, but I have suffered with uncertainty of the food I feed to my pets and the food I eat. Or something along those lines. I believe this would greatly expand the numbers of people participating.

  75. SAM says:

    Help! (And thank you itchmo for covering all this!) Does anyone feed Wellness or California natural? Any good or bad news on these? I need to switch my dog to a fish/sweet potato mix for allergies, but don’t trust anyone. I’ve heard good things about these, just want to check first with you guys. I agree, no one else, including the vets, seem to be up to date on the news.

    I bought a bag of Artemis Fresh Mix and my dog loves it (the quarter cup I gave him) then discovered on the PET FOOD LIST it’s made by diamond… wrote to the company twice re the recent mess of manufacturers spiking foods with contaminated rice protein, even if it’s not in the ingredients. I asked them point blank if they’d checked into this, if they had any response, and to please write back or post it on their website (which hasn’t been updated since 4/18).

    I haven’t heard back either time, nor has their information changed, so I can only assume from this lack of response that they don’t want to be upfront on this subject, therefore I don’t trust this food.

  76. Joan says:

    They need to devise a blood test for animals and humans to detect melamine. I bet we would we would all test positive!

  77. Kiki says:

    Joan: I completely agree!!!

  78. susanUnPC says:

    WATCH LIVE HEARING HERE:
    http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?id=1277

  79. kellkell says:

    Just thought I’d toss this in about Vets and their knowledge of pet foods. I discussed this subject with my vet who I trust implicitly and she explained that all through Veterinary school there was but one discussion about food and nutrition and as it turns out it was given by Hills. The gentleman gave them documents showing how much research and such goes into Hills and because this talk was given in the context of their school, they believe it. She has never recommended a food to us, her clinic (which she just works at, not the owner) sells Royal Canin and Avo Derm and if you ask her she will say, well “they say” but she isn’t giving anyone an endorsement, she doesn’t feed her pets that food either.
    Essentially vets are very much like human doctors, they know about treatment, there are nutritionists for humans and pets. We should be talking to nutritionists not vets about what to feed.
    So while I do believe some Vets sell the food for money, others are mislead and perhaps they should spend a little time learning about what they are selling.
    Just putting this out there.

  80. zenelvis says:

    4lgdfriend:

    I agree with you absolutely. I am the same way. I will not let a vet touch my cat unless I deem it necessary. I may have been more trusting about a year ago, but I’ve always made it my business to be an educated pet parent. after my boy was poisoned with metcam (anyone unaware of metcam and its danger to cats, google it), I lost any trust I had for vets.

    I remember about 5 years ago one of my cats started throwing up every time he ate science diet. my vet’s solution? try another bag of science diet….sure they’re not getting paid to hawk that garbage.

    I also refuse to get my cats vaccinated after learning about the cancer danger in both cats and dogs. Arguing with my vet about that has become something I take some pleasure in. They try to say, ‘the beneifts outweigh the danger,’ knowing all four of my cats never set foot outdoors or have any exposure to other animals.

  81. zenelvis says:

    kellkell:

    thanks for your last post - very interesting. i just find it very distressing, this lack of vet knowledge of pet nutrition. i think that in general, human doctors have a far greater working knowledge of nutrition. it seems to me that a vet constantly pushing Science Diet and only Science Diet (which I have experienced many times) would be like a person going into the doctor and saying, ‘alright, i have a weight problem, what should i eat?’ and the doc says, ‘well, we have some lollipops out in the lobby..’ it as if vets only educate themselves on what they can sell for the most money.

  82. She says:

    I can’t find the video this talks about, but a news station investigated what pet food execs did hours before the recall. Maybe someone else can help find this and highlight it to Itchmo? Thanks!

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18413068/

  83. kellkell says:

    zenelvis Says:
    May 1st, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    It is distressing to be sure. What my Vet said was she believes that the schools are trying to teach more about nutrition and alternative meds now. But of course unless the Vet you go to attends the courses (continuing education) they aren’t going to benefit. We talk with her about foods and what we know and she always thanks us for giving her more information. We love her and trust her because she isn’t afraid to say she doesn’t know. She follows that up with but I will find out and expect a call in a day or two. Invariably she always calls with information and we totally respect that. Our dog has had elevated enzymes and there is no symptomatic cause for the elevation, but we do a comprehensive test every year just in case. None of the vets we have talked to have any ideas other than it could just be how she is. They say it’s unusual to even know about the elevation because she’s not symptomatic, that they have no baseline because so few people test otherwise healthy dogs. Our vet made calls to internal specialists and a professor at a Veterinary College granted we still didn’t have an answer but she went above and beyond what most would have done. The consensus was to do a biopsy of her pancreas and liver but we came to the conclusion that since she’s not symptomatic and even the biopsy might not tell us anything it wasn’t worth the risk. We just continue to monitor things.
    Long journey to get to, not all Vets are bad, some just need more education or to be more honest.
    I have little to no patience for a Vet who tells me I don’t know what I am talking about. Or one that decides to try to educate me about a food that they happen to sell. That would make me highly suspicious. My pup is my life and I do my research and luckily I have a Vet who respects and supports that.
    Oh and she originally got us to trust her because we made an appointment for shots and asked her if it was necessary and she said no, we can do titers and we have every year. Fur baby gets no shots unless the titers say she doesn’t have the anti-body, so far, after 5 years, she hasn’t had a single shot, that includes rabies which tells me we are WAY over inoculating. I do realize that we are illegal, but she never goes anywhere without us, and she doesn’t interact with other dogs because shes not dog-friendly. We are willing to take the risk vs. giving her cancer from over-inoculation.

  84. petslave says:

    Kiki–thanks for the dog nutrition brochure links. I think that’s the first place I’ve ever seen it stated how much of each item is actually needed. I also downloaded the cat brochure by backing up a step on the url & picking the cat_nutrition_brochure link.

    Now is there anywhere that tell what foods contain how much of each of those vitamin/mineral requirements? If not, how do we know how much of each vitamin/mineral is needed to supplement the home cooked diet? Each multivitamen seems to have different amounts of different things, all very confusing.

  85. kellkell says:

    Zenelvis

    It is distressing to be sure. What my Vet said was she believes that the schools are trying to teach more about nutrition and alternative meds now. But of course unless the Vet you go to attends the courses (continuing education) they aren’t going to benefit. We talk with her about foods and what we know and she always thanks us for giving her more information. We love her and trust her because she isn’t afraid to say she doesn’t know. She follows that up with but I will find out and expect a call in a day or two. Invariably she always calls with information and we totally respect that. Our dog has had elevated enzymes and there is no symptomatic cause for the elevation, but we do a comprehensive test every year just in case. None of the vets we have talked to have any ideas other than it could just be how she is. They say it’s unusual to even know about the elevation because she’s not symptomatic, that they have no baseline because so few people test otherwise healthy dogs. Our vet made calls to internal specialists and a professor at a Veterinary College granted we still didn’t have an answer but she went above and beyond what most would have done. The consensus was to do a biopsy of her pancreas and liver but we came to the conclusion that since she’s not symptomatic and even the biopsy might not tell us anything it wasn’t worth the risk. We just continue to monitor things.
    Long journey to get to, not all Vets are bad, some just need more education or to be more honest.
    I have little to no patience for a Vet who tells me I don’t know what I am talking about. Or one that decides to try to educate me about a food that they happen to sell. That would make me highly suspicious. My pup is my life and I do my research and luckily I have a Vet who respects and supports that.
    Oh and she originally got us to trust her because we made an appointment for shots and asked her if it was necessary and she said no, we can do titers and we have every year. Fur baby gets no shots unless the titers say she doesn’t have the anti-body, so far, after 5 years, she hasn’t had a single shot, that includes rabies which tells me we are WAY over inoculating. I do realize that we are illegal, but she never goes anywhere without us, and she doesn’t interact with other dogs because shes not dog-friendly. We are willing to take the risk vs. giving her cancer from over-inoculation.

  86. Chad says:

    Started home cooking for my boy (dog) but I want to add a single vitamin supplement. The only ones I could find in stores where only designed as a supplement to commercial food. The calcium was only 75mg, vitamin A was really low too etc. etc.

    I was looking at Furoshnikov’s formula from cookforyourdog.com. Does anyone have any experience with this product? Or do you know of any other products like this that contain all the vitamins etc. I would like powdered form if possible.

    Thanks for your help. I need to order this today!

  87. Kiki says:

    Petslave,

    If you feed naturally occuring food with variety and moderation, then your pets will get the majority of the nutrients they need. If you supplement, then a single balanced vitamin/mineral supplement as recommended should be safe and fine. If you need more help, let me know.

  88. Kiki says:

    Andrew C. von Eschenbach, M.D., FDA Commissioner

    Not doing too good, in my view - so far anyway…

  89. Debbie4747 says:

    I just checked the Wysong recall page and it is now uner contruction. Think maybe they got a ltter?….maybe a hint?….maybe even a clue?????

  90. Kiki says:

    Andrew C. von Eschenbach, M.D., FDA Commissioner

    the melamine WAS intentional - this guy is NOT very good…

  91. ally says:

    Debbie4747 Says:
    May 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Debbie, it’s still showing for me here:
    http://www.wysong.net/menufoods.shtml

    (if you meant their internet rebuttal?)

  92. Debbie4747 says:

    Ally, thanks..That page came up for me now, but their home page with the recall button produces a page that is now under contruction which wasn’t earlier today. Maybe we will soon see something more responsible from them…yeah right.

  93. Kiki says:

    Andrew C. von Eschenbach, M.D., FDA Commissioner
    DOES NOT THINK THE FDA/FOOD SYSTEM IS BROKEN - UGH!!!

  94. Lorie says:

    zenelvis ,

    Interesting you brought up the fact that some vets are not very willing to work with you on this food poisoning issue. I just got off the phone with my regular vet we went over the labs sent form the ER vet on Saturday night regarding Geisha relapse, she was very please to see the Kidney levels were back to noraml range so CRF is ruled and when I mentioned that from these boards and from my other cat Topaz having the same relapse as Geisha the following day, it seems that GI irratation is possible going to be a fall out from this pet food mess, she totally ignored my comment. I that the ER vet found it very interesting that my 2 had similair symptoms again within 24 hours, and thought I would pass it on to her since this is new to all invovled still ignored me. Did agree thought that as long as i find a good dry food as a staple I can homecook all the wet stuff I want.

    Speaking of that my Kumpi came today anyone hear anything negative about it?

  95. Jules says:

    petslave Says:
    May 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    “Now is there anywhere that tell what foods contain how much of each of those vitamin/mineral requirements?”

    Petslave, you can to to www.calorie-count.com and search a food. Under the Nutrition Facts box, there’s a link: Extended Nutritional Details …

  96. Danielle says:

    I just received the May issue of The Whole Dog Journal yesterday. Lots of stuff about the recall. Also, for those interested in home cooking for your pets, there is a long article about balancing nutritional requirements, part of an ongoing series.

    I think you can download it from their website for a fee, or order a single issue.

  97. zenelvis says:

    kellkell:

    Yeah, I know not all vets are bad. Like I said, I’ve met one good one =). Seriously, I guess what bothers me is that the life of my cats (aka, my friends, family and teachers) may one day depend on some one who does not take the responsibility to educate themselves on a matter so dire. I would wager that anyone in this thread is more educated on this mess than many, many vets.

    Lorie:

    In discussing the pet food crisis with my vet, I brought up topics like rice protein, etc - and he seemed to be very skeptical. Even more so when I brought up Itchmo. He asked, ‘is it science based?’ I ensured him all info came from companies, the government, and other professional organizations, which seemed to interest him. I asked him if they had seen many cases of poisoning, and he said ‘only one.’ now, i live in a small city, about 24k people, but i found this hard to swallow. it made me think that if vets don’t even know about the food being recalled, how can they diagnose food as a possible culprit in cases of renal failure? makes no sense. I sure hope he checked out this site.

    anyway, praying for you pets and for everyone effected in this horror.

  98. Dr. Annette says:

    One human multivitamin tablet per day for mid sized dogs and every other day for cats should cover their basic needs. However, you MUST also supplement with bonemeal. Buy only USP verified products.

  99. Garyn says:

    Petslave. You can also try this. Scroll down a bit, click on the food and you get the entire analysis.
    http://www.nutritioninfoods.com/

  100. kellkell says:

    zenelvis:
    I guess what bothers me is that the life of my cats (aka, my friends, family and teachers) may one day depend on some one who does not take the responsibility to educate themselves on a matter so dire. I would wager that anyone in this thread is more educated on this mess than many, many vets.

    I whole heartedly agree, I have no idea what we do had we not been fortunate enough to find the Vet we have. We have met a few who have said things like “well it would be cheaper to just get another pet” instead of offering treatment options. Of course we never went back there.
    I think the true test is when something is wrong, not the yearly visits, how a Vet reacts to a situation that isn’t just an check up (like what’s going on now) that tells you if they are a good Vet or not. Unfortunately like you said, by then it might be too late to find a new one.
    Trust, that’s what this entire situation comes down too. We trusted the government, the food manufacturers, the brand names, our Vets and look at this mess.

  101. Monika says:

    Danielle,

    Wysong also has a multipage analysis of the WHOLE DOG JOURNAL!

    I want to like them (them being Wysong because I have actually
    used their canned in the past) but the more I read their website
    and their Menu Foods FAQ’s the more I think that they are, simply
    put, too full of themselves. Anyone constantly declaring themselves
    the authority on whatever the topic at hand isn’t going to draw too
    many people in.

    In any case, here is a link to Wysong shredding the WHOLE DOG JOURNAL
    http://www.wysong.net/controversies/wdj.shtml

  102. Danielle says:

    Monika,
    Thanks for the link. That page is even wackier than their FAQs. This is my personal favorite statement from Wysong:
    “The author seems unaware of the fact that “by-product” is a mere word invention. It creates a negative connotation but has nothing to do with health or nutrition. Health and nutrition are not about superficial impressions created by word labels. Feeding just muscle meats to pets is a serious error since no carnivore in the wild eats such a diet. If they did, they would become diseased from doing so. In fact, carnivores often prefer the non-muscle meat parts of their prey that are labeled “by-products.” WDJ evidently feels food animals have no inherent merit and that they should be raised, slaughtered, and everything but “prime meat” should go to a landfill.”
    This is scary. So if they believe in using the whole animal, and aren’t listing by-products on their food, what are they calling it?

  103. menusux says:

    They’ve also decided to bash their competitors AND defend Menu Foods:

    http://www.wysong.net/controversies/apperon.shtml

    Apperon vs Wysong

    http://www.wysong.net/controversies/innova.shtml

    Innova/Natura vs Wysong

    http://www.wysong.net/controve.....gold.shtml

    Solid Gold vs Wysong

  104. E. Hamilton says:

    There are plenty of places in the world that seem to LIKE the stuff that might go into a landfill, sell it to them.

    Be sure to add a few chemicals made from burning coal first, boost the protein count, make it look better, get more money for shoddy goods, that IS what the almighty buck over everything else means , right?

    No rules for you BIG GUYS, right?

  105. ally says:

    Pet food recall: liveblogging 5/1 FDA press conference

    For those interested, Christie is starting to liveblog the FDA press conference over at the Pet Connection.

  106. Grace says:

    Here is a link to a Reuters article from 4-10-07 about the CFO of Menu selling half his stock before the recall.
    I love the company spokesman quote:

    “This is a guy who conducts himself to the highest ethical and moral standards and he wouldn’t do anything to imperil the high governance standards that he demands of himself and the company,” said Bornstein.

    I guess this company will not be subject to U.S. insider trading rules.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reu....._cfo_col_1

  107. Debbie4747 says:

    I’m not so sure the CFO of Menu who sold half his shares was really doing any insider trading. If he was he would have sold them all. Besides what he sold is probably what he makes in a week, given his position. Bottom line is that we all know they knew about the problem long before they announced it and they did nothing. Even if the guy did know about the problem when he sold his stock is really inmaterial because his rep is already shot and he would appear totally dumb becuase he should have just sold them all.
    And in all fairness, maybe he needed them for his “vet bills”, live everyone else that was feeding their pets his crap *assed products.

  108. Mia Fentis says:

    I just switched my allergy prone Westie to Calif. Natural Sweet Potato and Herring for now. I m going to be home cooking but I just got him tested after he had been ill last week off and on. Thankfully, Nik tested clear. I would also reccommend Merrick as well.

    HTH, Mia sick by this mess.

  109. susanUnPC says:

    SANDY, look what you did!

    “Dingell Dispatches Investigators to West Coast Ports; Live Hearing”
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/1/131936/6888
    – it’s my diary; i post as susanhu over there
    – 205 comments, and climbing — people are very upset about the adulteration of their food

  110. ann says:

    Has anyone heard anything more about the second shipment of the RPC?

  111. Kitti says:

    From an outraged lurker, please see this unconfirmed breaking story at www.horsesass.org:

    BREAKING: Americans ate 3 million melamine-tainted chickens!
    by Goldy, 05/01/2007, 1:34 PM

    In a conference call with media this afternoon, USDA Assistant Administrator Kenneth Petersen revealed that as many as 3 million chickens, contaminated with melamine from a single Indiana feed mill, have already been slaughtered, distributed and eaten. An additional 100,000 breeder chickens are currently being voluntarily quarantined by farmers.

    These 3.1 million chickens represent only those that fed on a single batch of feed made from melamine-tainted pet food “salvaged” in February. Petersen told reporters that the “investigation will lead to additional farms.”

  112. pinkpanther says:

    twilight zone: after pconnection’s becker was called on his paid connection to Hills http://tinyurl.com/2qa2pb they had to fess up (since the caller was an atty). Pcon was caught doing some MenuPR for the pfoodco’s. Nikki posted some facts about Hills that upset pcon.
    And voila, has not been heard from since. Few days later pcon is back with this gem-the petfood co’s, they say are: “stunned, and that’s why they’ve reacted with such shoot-the-messenger defensiveness. It’s a natural, and very human response….” and then “You know how to feed pets, nutrition backed by decades of real science. ” Anyone objecting to this poisonpetfoodco pr bs has their comments edited off the site. It’s ashame to see this, but, par for the state of rotten Denmark.
    Big Media, Big Business and AVMA in bed.

  113. Hermes Momma says:

    This is going to continue to unfold. I just realized that the protein powder my husband was consuming for his nutrition/weight program includes soy protein isolate. Now this didn’t really concern me until I saw the FDA Import Alert requesting the detention of ALL vegetable (rice, corn, wheat, soy) protein products for animal and human use from China (http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia9929.html) issued on Friday (4/27).

    I called EAS (the sport supplement co.), which is a division of Abbott Labs and the gentleman on the phone told me that he had received an email about the detention and they were looking in to the source of their proteins. Now Abbott makes a number of nutritional products including the EAS line, Ensure and baby formulas like Similac. I’m going to insist that my husband quit using until they assure us that the ingredient was not sourced from China and it is safe to use. Also, I hope that they have a heck of a QC system and a good tracing system given that they are producing infant formulas.

  114. petslave says:

    Thanks for all the links for nutrition info everyone! They look good, will read through them later. Unfortunately I’m now off to take 2 of my cats to the vet for bloodwork–neither would eat this morning & my tiny 7 pounder looks really rough & is drinking a lot of water.

    I’ve been home feeding both my dogs & cats for about 3 weeks now & just started with Honest Kitchen this past Friday. I do NOT think it’s the Honest Kitchen products–they look really great with none of the glutens & proteins & all human grade. The dogs love it & the cats have adapted to it.

    But I was feeding the cats Natural Balance venison & pea dry sporadically all last year & I think as late as Jan/Feb this year I fed a bag, so now I’m scared I’m seeing some problems with that. They were also eating Wellness canned no-grain formulas.

    Hopefully it’s something entirely unrelated. I took in my diabetic cat a few weeks ago & his white blood cell count was high, liver & thyroid slightly high, so guess I’m on alert now. The one good thing is his diabetes is under control with all the grainless high protein feeding I did last year–I took him off the diabetes pills myself when the vet he was seeing insisted I keep feeding him the vet diabetes formula & continue the pills even though they damage the liver over time.

    I’m going to ask for copies of all their bloodwork results for my files. I’m also in agreement with using the vets for diagnosis then reseaching for myself after the lab results come back. Off for the half hour drive with 2 frightened kitties & a knot in my stomach……

  115. lacy says:

    Petslave,
    What were your cats eating in between the Natural Balance and the Honest Kitchen?

  116. Grace says:

    Did you know they even use wheat gluten and pea protein in wine-making? (Hope it is not sourced from China…or if so, then “hopefully” the contaminants would not remain in the finished product.) This is from an FDA document:

    “The subjects of the notice are hydrolyzed wheat gluten isolate and pea protein isolate. The notice informs FDA of the view of Martin Vialatte that hydrolyzed wheat gluten isolate and pea protein isolate are GRAS, through scientific procedures, for use as fining agents in wine making. Protein fining agents are used in the wine industry to clarify wines and to reduce astringency. During this treatment, tannins natural to grapes, which are responsible for astringency and haze, interact with hydrolyzed wheat gluten isolate or pea protein isolate to form insoluble complexes that precipitate from the wine.”
    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~rdb/opa-g182.html

  117. Jules says:

    Oh, Petslave,

    I wish you’d stop feeding Natural Balance . . . any formula!!! My dog died eating the Duck & Potato canned & dried in the first 2 weeks that I switched her food to it . . . and my other dog had really high kidney values on her blood work. After a month and a half of homemade food for her, her values have come down; she’s playing like a puppy; and her fur looks like a mink coat!

    There has to be something in NB’s food that I suspect THEY don’t even realize!!!

    My heart stopped when Natural Balance’s Venison & Green Pea dry for cats and kittens was recalled. My 6 month old kitten was eating that!!! Thank goodness she must have had an old batch, because her kidney values came back normal. HOWEVER, her Alkaline Phosphatase was HIGH (125 where 102 was considered high), and her Albumin was HIGH as well.

    Was it the food? Who knows? But I do know, is that she’s off all commercial food and THRIVING on a raw diet supplemented with vitamins. My dog is doing just as great.

  118. Sylvia says:

    Lame Response I Received From Senator Patty Murray of WA State

    When I wrote her asking her to help ensure the safety of food imports from China due to the revelations from this pet food disaster, all I got back was a canned response about how great free trade with China is for the state of Washington. She just does not seem to think that anything but the money matters. I wrote her a second time when it was revealed that the contamination had spread into the human food supply, but have gotten no response. On her web page she seems proud to be the number one promoter of free trade in the Senate.

    http://murray.senate.gov/trade/trade-work.cfm

    But what about safe and fair trade? I think we can do better than the grotesque situation we have right now. Here is Senator Murray’s e-mail if you want to contact her.

    http://murray.senate.gov/trade/trade-work.cfm

  119. Jules says:

    Regarding my post about Natural Balance . . .

    I just googled why my kitten might have high Alkaline Phosphatase on her blood work:

    “Liver enzymes including alanine transaminase and alkaline phosphatase are elevated when liver damage has occurred, and bilirubin will increase if the liver is not functioning normally.

    Liver problems for a 6 month old kitten?? Oh yeah, it’s the food!!!!

  120. Renee says:

    I just sent the following email update message to all my friends. I have been trying desperately since the start of the recall to keep everyone informed and get them to become active in spreading the word. Unfortunately it falls upon deaf ears most of the time.
    This whole crisis is way beyond scary at this point. I cannot even comprehend it all even though I have been following every moment of this recall since the very first day. I just got done contacting all of the following media sources URGING them to please cover this damn story already!!- CBS-Evening News, Morning News, NBC, Dateline, Early Today, Evening News, MSNBC TV, Weekend Edition, Today Show, NY1, ABC, Nightline, Primetime, 20/20, This Week, World News Now, ABC News Specials, and 7online.com I still plan to contact more but at least it’s a good start. The FDA and pet food industry *cannot* get away this…time to force feed *them* some of their poison food and let them choke on it. I urge everyone to follow my lead and be as active as possible with spreading the information to the media, and anyone that crosses your path. Thanks.

  121. Don't believe it says:

    Come on people, please convince me otherwise . . . .

    Lame responses from THIS Senator and THAT Senator; lame questions and answers from FDA . . . present and former commissioners . . . geez, I’m so fed up with all this bullshit! Why do you all still lament on all this crap? I’m convinced that nothing will be done no matter how much we bitch. The big commercial companies with the big bucks are going to keep this quiet or subdued. Right? I’m done trusting the pet food companies as well as my government.

  122. Lorie says:

    Jules,

    Sorry to hear about your kitten that is so WRONG what these companies are doing. My 2 cat were affected by the recall as well, just been cleared of kidney damage after March 23rd exposure. What are the symptoms your kitten has for liver damage.

  123. Sylvia says:

    Don’t believe it says,

    Sounds like you need to just take a deep breath, relax a bit, and perhaps have a nice glass of fine wine…
    just be sure it is not some of that “melamine wine”!

  124. Don't believe it says:

    Yes Sylvia,

    I’m have been taking deep breaths, and relaxing . . . ’cause my babies are not eating any commercial food! Nope I don’t drink either, that’s poison too, so I’m not worried about that, but I AM worried about what others are believing. Oh well, I tried.

  125. Debra says:

    Can someone refresh my memory? The researchers at Guelph were able to create the crystals by combining melamine and cyanuric acid in cat urine (or a solution with the same pH), right? And there’s speculation that it’s the crystals that caused the deaths, because they basically filled the kidneys? I would guess that they got the same results (crystals) with dog urine, whatever it’s pH is. What I want to know now is, have they combined melamine and cyanuric acid in pig urine or chicken urine or human urine?

  126. Cathy says:

    Jules - the liver can be helped by giving your kitten Milk Thistle a supplement you can find in the health food store and also Denosyl which you can get from your vet.

    I put my liver dog on these (and also Actigall for his gallbladder) and his liver numbers were in normal range within a month.

    Good luck with your kitty!

  127. shallah says:

    re: UCDavis offering to test any pet’s urine for melamine for a fee - has anyone offered this for humans? FDA only knows how long this junk has been turning up in both human, pet and animal food. Remember that wheat gluten was sold as human grade. I would like to know if the government will ever test the humans who ate the tainted pork in California of the chickens from Illinois.

  128. Don't believe it says:

    Thanks Cathy!

    But how do I know how much to give to a 7 month old kitten? Please don’t tell me to ask a VET, I’ve been to 4 Vets and they are clueless on any subject except on emergency care (and I have my doubts about that too now).

    I am aware of Milk Thistle for human usage and liver repair, but how much for my kitten???? She’s 7 months old and 7 pounds. I’m so worried about giving her too much and damaging her liver. Thanks for your help!

  129. Donna says:

    I haven’t read the entire thread…did KatieKat get the results back from her Felidae test yet?

  130. ally says:

    Weirdness.

    People using Internet Explorer over at PC are reporting problems accessing one blog entry. My FireFox works fine there, tho. Except here - on Itchmo’s blogs once they pass the 120 or so mark for number of comments. Then everything locks up & I have to force quit FireFox. Safari seems to be working fine tho. Gremlins run amok…

  131. Grace says:

    Some brave soul with a few bucks may try sending their own urine to UC Davis and try to pass it off as pet urine. (Even if they realize it is human urine, they would be obligated to report the melamine findings.) Perhaps an investigative reporter will try this if it is the only way to get humans tested.

  132. Cathy says:

    Don’t Believe It - it’s been a few years since I gave Milk Thistle to my dog but I found a link that gives some dosing information:

    http://www.littlebigcat.com/in.....olume4no07

  133. Eric says:

    Lorie,
    I have yet to hear anything negative about Kumpi…I pray multiple times daily that it stays that way.

  134. Hermes Momma says:

    Ally:

    I’m having the same problem with PC website. Its forcing the IE browser to close when you try to access the live-blogging FDA press conference page.

  135. A. Reader says:

    this is pretty big from the standpoint of scientific understanding of the crisis:

    researchers have discovered that mixing melamine + cyanuric acid + cat urine leads to the formation of crystals identical to the crystals found in the kidneys of cats afflicted by the toxic pet food.

    so it’s not just melamine, it’s not just cyanuric acid, it’s the combination that kills.

    press release at:
    http://www.avma.org/press/rele.....recall.asp

  136. Sarah says:

    I can not believe that I almost switched to Wysong. I will NEVER EVER support that company. I am speechless and the mindless drivel that the company posted re: internet re-butt-all and defending Menu Foods. It is insulting to everyone’s intelligence to say such outrageous crap and then expect to keep or get customers. Unbelievable. It boggles my mind that anyone can condone animal testing - Wysong wrote, per verbatim :

    “when pets are confined to a home, yard, or leash and then fed what the owner selects, that is like a caged animal experiment. The cage is just bigger than in a laboratory”

    How in the hell can anyone compare a pet in its own environment, with companionship, play, love, interaction with others, fresh food and water etc a happy animal to that of a CAGED ANIMAL that is by force, deprived of fresh air, sunshine, room to stretch its own legs, force fed food (and poisons on a regular basis) and undergo painful tests, experimentation, and have diseases and illnesses induced upon them. Their living conditions are not only unsanitary but cruel, these animals (dogs, cats, rats etc) do not have comfort in their cages, they are in small steel small cages, sometimes only on concrete, for not just days but months, evne years on end. Their are given a death sentence. Some never see outside or even breathe fresh air. Some never experience the comfort of a loving arm, a warm bed, a ball to play fetch with. They are scared, they are very sad. THEY ARE TORTURED. They go through painful muscle biopsies and other regular routines until they die or are left to die.

    I am sick to my stomach and tearful to read such an insensitive and cruel statement by Wysong. They may want to continue to support Menu foods. I WILL NEVER. I WILL NEVER support Wysong. Everyone needs to show how they feel with their $$. Please Do not support these companies that are against everything that you believe in.

    I dare Wysong or anyone to go to:

    http://www.iamscruelty.com/videos.asp

    and watch videos at peta on animal testing and witness firsthand the abuse animals go through, AT IAMS and other pet food companies, in animal testing and see if anyone could have the the audacity to condone it, let alone like Wysong compare it to an animal that has a home environment, that is loved, that is treated with kindness and compassion and given shelter and food and water. Most of us would do anything for our fur babies. Wysong and Menu Foods should be on display in cages and tortured and see how much fun that is, since it’s good enough in their minds for other animals, that have a soul, that have feelings and emotions and are just like us.

    Shame on you Wysong. Shame on all the animal abusers out there who condone such cruelty.

  137. Eric says:

    Unless Wysong was the last possible option of feeding my cats and dog in the ENTIRE WORLD, they will never see any of my money.

  138. Debra says:

    I kind of answered my own question, but it brings up other questions: (I just posted this over at petconnection, too):

    Ok, normal cat pH is roughly 6.0 to 6.5 (though I found other sites that say 5.5 to 7.0). A chicken’s normal pH is 6.3 to 6.7 so does it make sense that crystals would form in the chickens, too? And pig pH is roughly 5.5 to 7.7, so is that close enough, too, to create crystals? (I’m not very good with chemistry, so if my numbers or thinking are off, someone please correct me.)

  139. Cheryl says:

    Have any of you read the ingredients on veggie burgers? Soy protein & wheat gluten are the main ones. That is scary for anyone who eats them on a regular basis-including my daughter. I e-mailed a couple of companies and am waiting for a response.

  140. Debra says:

    I read the ingredients on the muffintops I eat for breakfast and saw wheat gluten. I emailed them and they said they get their ingredients from manufacturers in Europe. I thought that was ok, but then I saw on ChemNutra’s site that they export from China to the US and Europe (now it just says US). I think I’m going to find a different breakfast food.

  141. Jules says:

    What I don’t understand is why everyone thinks that because these companies SAY that they USE only U.S. companies in their ingredients . . . why don’t you suspect that THOSE U.S. companies might be getting ingredients imported from China in the first place, but these companies may not know. Huh?

    ChemNutra is an American based company (yup, it’s an american company that Menu used) BUT, BUT, BUT, they freakin’ imported from China.

    Why do you all believe them if they say their products are US based?? My next question would be . . . “But how do I know YOUR suppliers didn’t get it from China?” Get it???

    Please tell me that!!!

  142. KatieKat says:

    Donna,

    I didn’t have Felidae tested, you must be thinking baout someone else :)

  143. Donna says:

    dayam. loosing my mind.

  144. kb says:

    I posted the following in the forums as well.

    KING5, the NBC affiliate in Seattle, did a story on the 5pm news this evening.
    FDA under fire amid reports of tainted food
    May 1st, 2007The investigation into tainted pet food blamed for killing animals has evolved into a serious look at our entire food safety system, and experts say there is a serious problem. KING 5’s Gary Chittim reports.

    There is a video link to the story as well.

    http://tinyurl.com/2z5hq8

  145. Sylvia says:

    Talk about timing! Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke just happened to give a speech today on “free” trade. He seems to think it is not poisoning our pets…its just making us more prosperous. Boy, were we ever confused! Now we see the light…
    http://www.federalreserve.gov/.....efault.htm
    He ends his speech with:
    “If we resist protectionism and isolationism while working to increase the skills and adaptability of our labor force, the forces of globalization and trade will continue to make our economy stronger and our citizens more prosperous.”
    Actually, I cannot relate that hollow statement to the suffering of our little pets and their owners. It this the prosperity he is talking about?
    I think the problem with the poisoned pet food stems the fact that the term “free trade” is a euphemism for a system that enables international scalawags and criminals to have free reign in enriching themselves at any cost to others.
    I hate the term “free trade” because only a sucker thinks that you get anything good for free. Con artists use the lure of getting something for nothing or nearly nothing to bait people all the time. There is obviously something wrong here in the U.S.A. that is allowing international trading activities to be so destructive and I am guessing that it is our lobbying system.
    Senator Patty Murray of Washington state is a major player in international trade issues as stated on her website:
    “Senator Murray is one of Washington’s most articulate voices on international trade. Since being elected to the U.S. Senate 12 years ago, she has championed Washington’s role as an international hub. Her services began with the Seattle APEC meetings, and important congressional votes on NAFTA and the World Trade Organization. Murray was a key backer of all of these initiatives. She voted for Fast Track, she supports easing unilateral trade sanctions, and she serves on the subcommittee which funds the Export-Import Bank and other export promotion agencies.”
    “Senator Murray was a leading proponent for normalizing the trade relationship between the United States and China. She supported granting Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) status to China as well as China’s entry into the World Trade Organization.
    Please consider letting her know that we want fair and safe trade for all the world, not “free” trade. Her e-mail contact:
    http://murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm

  146. Sharon says:

    Posted this at petconnection and wanted to post it here too in case anyone knows the answer:

    What I don’t understand is:

    WHY IS CYANURIC ACID in the pet food in the first place???

    Where did it come from?

    Sorry for the emphasis but I must have missed this information somewhere cause this just makes no sense to me.

  147. Eric says:

    Donna,
    Teric was the one getting foods tested (Canidae, Felidae, Kumpi and KumpiKat). Teric will post the results when received.

  148. Fiona says:

    Thank you , Thank you very much for getting back to me. You all are great….This is the information I needed. I love my girls and only want the best for them.

  149. Katie says:

    GI upset following tainted food??

    Lorie and I are experiencing pets who are showing symptoms of GI ulcers after our pets ( cats and a dog) ate contaminated food.

    I read where the researchers mixed melamine and cyanuric acid in at a pH resembling stomach acid and got crystals in a test tube.

    I’m wondering if anyone else has experienced this?

    Both of our pets are now taking Pepcid to relieve symptoms.

    Do you think it is possible that the mixture (melamine + cyanuric acid) could have ulcerated the stomach or intestinal lining??

    Katie

  150. Sylvia says:

    Sharon,
    I think someone is deliberately trying to make that issue confusing. But I found this article:
    Transcript: FDA-USDA Update on Recall of Pet Foods
    http://www.swnebr.net/newspape......pl?160497

    It seems to me that the FDA scientists believe that the cyanuric acid was added separately as opposed to being something produced by the victim’s metabolism in the digestion of melamine. That is important, that it is a separate contaminant. I wonder where it came from?……………………………………………

    “REPORTER: Hi. Ricardo Alonzo Zaldibar with the LA Times. And I was wondering if you could explain a little bit more about cyanuric acid. Now the melamine I understand that’s used in making plastics, and cyanuric acid I’ve seen that’s used in treating swimming pool water. But now how would it have gotten into this pet food? Would it have been added separately, or is it somehow or another a byproduct of a processing or breakdown of melamine? And if you could explain that, please?

    DR. MCCHESNEY: We’d love to be able to say we absolutely know how it got in because if we did we could all go home. But we don’t know that. But we can say it is a nitrogen rich compound much like melamine, so presence of either of those compounds or both of those compounds in a protein product could serve to increase the apparent protein level if one was only looking at the nitrogen level. So why it’s in there, we still don’t know. We can only speculate on that.

    REPORTER: But now you call it a melamine-related compound or chemical. That’s what I’m trying to understand, why do you call cyanuric acid a melamine related product?

    DR. MCCHESNEY: It’s structurally similar.

    MODERATOR: That was Dr. McChesney.

    REPORTER: But now you’re thinking that it’s not in any way kind of like a product of the breakdown or digestion of melamine or anything like that? It probably would have been added separately for the same purposes, right?

    DR. MCCHESNEY: We don’t know. Probably so.

    Q; Okay. That explains a little bit more. Thank you. “

  151. Jules says:

    Can someone PLEASE answer a simply question?

    What I don’t understand is why everyone thinks that because these companies SAY that they USE only U.S. companies in their ingredients . . . why don’t you suspect that THOSE U.S. companies might be getting ingredients imported from China in the first place, but these companies may not know. Huh?

    ChemNutra is an American based company (yup, it’s an american company that Menu used) BUT, BUT, BUT, they freakin’ imported from China.

    Why do you all believe them if they say their products are US based?? My next question would be . . . “But how do I know YOUR suppliers didn’t get it from China?” Get it???

  152. Sharon says:

    Thanks so much Sylvia. I hope that guy continues to hound dog the FDA about that. It really the one thing that seems to be making this seem like a deliberate, maliciously-intended contamination as opposed to a “i’m just scraping everything off the floor” kind of contamination.

    If that makes sense at all… ;0)

  153. Sylvia says:

    Jules,
    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I think you make an excellent point. I don’t think we can know for sure right now in the situation you are describing.

  154. Kiki says:

    Sylvia says:

    …”the term “free trade” is a euphemism for a system that enables international scalawags and criminals to have free reign in enriching themselves at any cost to others…”

    I LOVE THIS - PERFECTLY SAID!!!

  155. Kiki says:

    Jules - I GET IT and I completely 100% agree with you. That is my big problem. Everyone says that they get their stuff from the US, but they don’t even have any idea where their suppliers get their stuff.

  156. Sharon says:

    Made in the USA means nothing.

    And the really horrifying part is when you talk to anyone about this, they think I’m nuts.

    There’s too many cooks in the kitchen of these manufacturing companies.

  157. Kiki says:

    I know - so many people are completely clueless - more interested in American Idol, and pathetic news reports, which are just intended to entertain us, not make us think or act.

  158. Jules says:

    THANK YOU Kiki and Sylvia!

    It’s good to know that some … feel the same way I do!!! I was starting to worry! I read all these posts with so many people trusting that their products’ ingredients ALL come from the U.S.A.

    BUT, BUT, BUT, do we know whether THEIR products come from CHINA originally? That’s my biggest fear!!!

    Thanks for the reply.

  159. petslave says:

    lacy & jules–regarding what I’m feeding my cats. Between the last batch of NB venison/pea & home feeding, I went back to Innova Evo. I switched everyone to grainless & high protein last year because of research I did for my diabetic cat. So for a year I’ve been rotating between Evo, NV Raw Instinct & NB venison/pea. Maybe about 5 bags of the NB last year & the one earlier this year–mine never liked it much so I mostly used the other 2. I was also feeding them Wellness canned grainless up until 3 weeks ago.

    When the NB recall came out, I started home cooking. I had almost bought a bag the day before the recall. I thought it was really lucky I didn’t buy it but after today, it probably didn’t matter. The vet found out my 7 lb girl kitty is in renal failure, probably chronic as I guess the numbers aren’t as high as in acute. So it’s probably been going on some time.

    I’ll start giving her subq fluids at home tomorrow if she’s doing OK in the morning. So was it the NB, the Wellness canned, the chicken I’ve been feeding all week—what? She’s only 7 & has always been healthy so it’s hard to believe it’s age related.

    My other cat seems to be having diarrhea problems as well as having vomited some last night (big hairball involved so I didn’t think much of it). Her sodium levels & creatine are a bit high but BUN is OK. So hope that’s all just a reaction to overeating & the new mix of food.

    I bought Felidae canned for everyone tonight as I don’t know what to think about home feeding right now. There is chicken in the Felidae canned, but 3 other meats & they’re getting their vitamins/minerals. I don’t know where to go from here, guess I need a day to recover & get my wits back.

  160. Sylvia says:

    Sharon,
    I get what you are saying and I hope not, but I was reluctant to consider that the melamine tainting was deliberate in the first place. I know for sure that we need to clean up our criminally run global free-for-all trade system and the mess in our own backyard with corporate lobbying. Also, I read that food adulteration is only a misdemeanor here in the U.S. That seems crazy if that is true, since they slapped Martha Stuart with a felony and jail time for insider trading. At least she wasn’t making melamine/cyanuric acid stew and feeding it to dogs and cats!

  161. Sharon says:

    sylvia,
    my husband and mother both believe it was a deliberate act of sabotage. And they haven’t budged from this stance despite the information coming out every day.

    petslave,
    I tried my cats (2 ACF, one not) on Prairie wet starting last night and they are eating it with a gusto unlike anything I’ve seen in 2 years. My ACF girls regularly get Hi-Tor and so does my boy cat but I want to give them something different every once it awhile. My girls are extremely finicky and I’ve tried two types now: beef and chicken/turkey.

    They wouldn’t eat: Natural Balance, Spot’s Stew, Innova, Wellness, Chicken Soup, and Waltham coatcare.

    It’s amazing to think they have all gotten to the point now where they are picking up weight, coats are glossy, sweetness is back, more alert, and they are just happier. I was so afraid 3 weeks ago that they would still have not made progress - I cried every time I looked at them.

  162. Chris says:

    Why do you all believe them if they say their products are US based?? My next question would be . . . “But how do I know YOUR suppliers didn’t get it from China?” Get it???

    What’s appalling about this is that every American company involved will point their finger at their supplier and then to China. Why is the US importer not required to test the food (or “non-food” whatever that means) that comes into the country? The Chinese don’t really have the best record in safety enforcement.

    The owners of ChemNutra should be brought up on charges for importing a foodstuff that’s been known to be spiked with this poison. If this was an “open secret” in China then why didn’t ChemNutra, with their “expertise” in the Chinese marketplace know this?

  163. Sylvia says:

    Well, Sharon, like I said I have observed that the people that have seen the darker picture so far have been proven right. Your husband and mother are no fools. I’m angry about what has happened to so many pets and their owners and I am totally creeped out about our food supply. My little terrier has grain allergies so is as fine as an elderly canine cancer survivor can be, (for now). I feel like I should do what I can to help prevent a disaster like this from happening again. (Even if it is not over yet.)

  164. Sylvia says:

    Chris,
    I sent this to the Washington Wine Commission and will look to contact some of the big wineries, too. At least it will get the facts about the pet recall into another venue.
    ————————-
    “I am concerned after reading that the FDA has approved the use of wheat gluten and pea protein for use as fining agents in wine:
    Agency Response Letter
    GRAS Notice No. GRN 000182 6/27/2006
    Do you know if WA wineries will be testing the gluten and protein powder for the presence of melamine and related compounds such as cyanuric acid? I don’t want to be exposed to any risk of kidney trouble from these compounds. (Estimates are that up to 40,000 pets have been made ill or have died from these toxins’ presence in food grade glutens and plants proteins.)
    Thanks!”

  165. ann says:

    Pet Slave - check out All-about-cats.com. Dr. Hodgkins has been a god send for me, and my cat isn’t even diabetic! She specializes in feline diabetes.

  166. Stan says:

    Oh shucks let’s not be to hard on China, Just remember most of all those little American flags seen in wonderful home town USA parades are made in China!
    I feel the government and politicians have lost sight and minds as a collective power. “Show me the Money” is what it’s catalyst is now!

    But hey, KFC is now trans fat free! Don’t mind the melamine!

  167. Donna says:

    Ah! thank you Eric.

    I’ve added a few pictures to the My Pet Counts album. Please spread the word.

    http://community.webshots.com/user/MyPetCounts

  168. ticocats says:

    Well, Wysong has heard that people are disgusted by their defense of Menu Foods, although it remains to be seen whether they really “get it” . Yesterday I sent them an email complaining about the fact that their recall page was “under construction” and asking for a clear statement as to whether they use any Chinese ingredients. (At the time I sent the message I hadn’t yet seen their Menu Foods rant.) This morning I received this response:

    “We have only temporarily removed the statement from the website because we have found it necessary to update it with new information (as new developments arise in the recall) as well as to adjust the tone of the statement as some people have found it to be offensive. It will be back up and available for your reading this afternoon. To reassure you, I will tell you that we do not source anything from China; the vast majority of our ingredients are grown/raised domestically and sourced by U.S. suppliers. Again, no Wysong products, including the supplements are affected by contaminated ingredients and are part of no recalls.”

    My original message to Wysong, and the reply I just sent them which addresses their Menu Foods defense, is posted under the new thread on this specific issue, at:
    http://64.79.216.38/~itchmo/fo.....33#msg2033

  169. ticocats says:

    Wysong finally has a new recall page up. It’s pretty long but, in a nutshell, says: (1) Chinese are BAD; (2) Wysong is GREAT; (3) the jury’s still out on Menu Foods; and (4) this wouldn’t have been a problem if everyone had just followed Dr. Wysong’s feeding advice.

    Here’s the main part about Menu Foods:

    “If some of the claims regarding Menu’s behavior in this matter are true—that they knew of danger long before alerting the public, that an official cashed out stock before the public was alerted, that they killed animals in feeding tests, etc.—that would be unconscionable. We have written to them and asked that they directly respond to these charges and will post them when we hear back. On the other hand we do not feel it appropriate to judge anyone without gathering all the facts and giving them a fair hearing. If they and other companies have been defrauded by their Chinese suppliers, then that is another matter.”

    I just sent them another email with this comment:

    Even if Menu Foods was defrauded by its Chinese suppliers, this is irrelevant to whether “they knew of danger long before alerting the public, that an official cashed out stock before the public was alerted, that they killed animals in feeding tests, etc.”

    If it is confirmed — or seems reasonably likely based on the evidence — that Menu Foods engaged in any of this “unconscionable” conduct, I certainly expect Wysong to terminate any business relationship with the company.

  170. Micah says:

    Wysong definately wins the wysong sucks award for this month.

    http://www.wysongsucks.net

  171. tammy says:

    Thank you to Itchmo’s,for the safty alerts you send me regulary.I am so angry and so dissapointed that more people are not taking this more serious.To all of you who care and love your animals as much as i do,keep writing,keep checking and keep posting,mabey one day we will get the point across that they cant do what ever they want to the food becaus its dogs or cats.I have 2 dogs and a cat and thankfull i did my own checking,becaus my vet did not tell me the food i was buying from them could be (part) of the recall,only when i did some checking i relized the truth.My animals will now always be on a natural,healthy diet,and ill always know what they are taking in there little bodies.To all of you just a tip ,once i put my dogs and cats on a more natural diet,which they should have been in the first place,there doing great and i see a big difference,health wise,i guess we love them so much we forget there carnivores at times, and think of them as our children,but carnivores need a special diet just for them as we do for ourselves Thank you again to Itchmo’s pet safetly alerts.

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