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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-29132</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeslieK, from what I'm understanding {and more on this everyday}, that with some equipment there is an "average" sensitivity. Some equipment allow for more adjustments. Also depending on how new or old the equipment is they use.

I don't know bout the Natura thing. I do know I was told on June 7th by MidWest Labs, they could not even begin to test for Acetaminophn {if they choose to do so at all} for at least 3 more weeks. 
Whether that is more or new equipment or study-up on different settings etc. I'm not absolutely positive just what he was referring to.
I'm just relaying what I was told by the MidWest Lab folks.

If I were there and they could Show me, then I would know more. On the phone it's tuff at times :-D

But No acetaminophen testing for 3 more weeks was Clear to me. {that's IF we decided to do it, at all}
He said "you'd really need a Lab with Pharmcology abilities for THAT"- acetaminophen testing. 

I guess we could take tuns in calling MidWest Lab and see if they ADD that down the road.
:-)

It's a Crap shoot. sigh and I hate this!

 
Please keep us Up on the latest there and Hug the babes for Us All.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeslieK, from what I&#8217;m understanding {and more on this everyday}, that with some equipment there is an &#8220;average&#8221; sensitivity. Some equipment allow for more adjustments. Also depending on how new or old the equipment is they use.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know bout the Natura thing. I do know I was told on June 7th by MidWest Labs, they could not even begin to test for Acetaminophn {if they choose to do so at all} for at least 3 more weeks.<br />
Whether that is more or new equipment or study-up on different settings etc. I&#8217;m not absolutely positive just what he was referring to.<br />
I&#8217;m just relaying what I was told by the MidWest Lab folks.</p>
<p>If I were there and they could Show me, then I would know more. On the phone it&#8217;s tuff at times :-D</p>
<p>But No acetaminophen testing for 3 more weeks was Clear to me. {that&#8217;s IF we decided to do it, at all}<br />
He said &#8220;you&#8217;d really need a Lab with Pharmcology abilities for THAT&#8221;- acetaminophen testing. </p>
<p>I guess we could take tuns in calling MidWest Lab and see if they ADD that down the road.<br />
:-)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a Crap shoot. sigh and I hate this!</p>
<p>Please keep us Up on the latest there and Hug the babes for Us All.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie k</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28955</link>
		<author>Leslie k</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28955</guid>
		<description>Hi everyone-Just wanted to tell you we are saving the food. Its dry so I have it stored in the basement in a sealed container.Accutrace &#38; my cousin[a vet] told me that urine samples &#38; some toxins in food can test false neg or pos after refridgeration.I'm definitely using Expertox[thru Accutrace]for the  testing. They already did the Pur 1 sens systems dry dog for me. They kept getting a reading of high Vit E on the crystals in the bag. They redid the test multiple times &#38; heated food quality Vit e to see if it really would crystalize &#38; turn white. I just don't understand how only 3 labs can reset their test protocals to find these toxins. Natura told me they could reset the cyanuric acid testing to find acetaminophin. The only answer I can come up with is they don't want to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone-Just wanted to tell you we are saving the food. Its dry so I have it stored in the basement in a sealed container.Accutrace &amp; my cousin[a vet] told me that urine samples &amp; some toxins in food can test false neg or pos after refridgeration.I&#8217;m definitely using Expertox[thru Accutrace]for the  testing. They already did the Pur 1 sens systems dry dog for me. They kept getting a reading of high Vit E on the crystals in the bag. They redid the test multiple times &amp; heated food quality Vit e to see if it really would crystalize &amp; turn white. I just don&#8217;t understand how only 3 labs can reset their test protocals to find these toxins. Natura told me they could reset the cyanuric acid testing to find acetaminophin. The only answer I can come up with is they don&#8217;t want to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb, GSD MOM</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28939</link>
		<author>Barb, GSD MOM</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28939</guid>
		<description>Ladies--I'm really getting nervous about feeding my dogs Canidae...even though they have been on it for years.  This is very scary...may take them off the food.  I did try the Evangers wet buffalo, but will not go there again.  These posts aremaking me very nervous.
JanC--I am feeding the same way you are...I do give Innova health bars for treats and they scarf them down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies&#8211;I&#8217;m really getting nervous about feeding my dogs Canidae&#8230;even though they have been on it for years.  This is very scary&#8230;may take them off the food.  I did try the Evangers wet buffalo, but will not go there again.  These posts aremaking me very nervous.<br />
JanC&#8211;I am feeding the same way you are&#8230;I do give Innova health bars for treats and they scarf them down.</p>
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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28925</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28925</guid>
		<description>You know {and I'll probably post this in other threads today as well} Regarding the testing; A Lab can set "perimeters" for tests just about any way they want.

That would Also include include perimeters to MISS things. 
And the more you know in advance of what you are looking for, the easier it would be to adjust the perimeters in advance of Testing.

So when someone would like to duplcate results, they would want to know and do the Same or in the same manner/perimeters as the previous Labs.

A little adjstment one way or the other; and Voila You Do or Don't not have results similar.

It's a professional courtesy, to ask for the SETTINGS.

I do know if anyone is Calling Expertox and even bothering to ask them.

Just thinkng out loud here ya know.

'One time' I did a test at a Lab/clinic and came up with some results in one State. A few months down the road, I had a clinic in a different State, for the same Patient, call to ask me, what SETTINGS and what Equipment I used for Comparison/duplication purposes. To benefit the patient.
Otherwise, you can hurt the patient and their treatment and have Misleading results in many directions. 

I suppose if they did Not want to help "the Patient", the wouldn't have bothered to call Right? {wink}
And they might have missed something all together.
Being helpful or not. Being Part of the Team or the advisary. Question Why.

{Kinda maybe like comparing a FERN Lab to a, let's say, down the street 'Everyday' Blood testing Lab.

A FERN Lab, Is one because, of What they can do Over other Labs. The latest and Greatest 'toys' there. BTW ones who's results, that the FDA poo-pooed a couple months back!}

Sometimes we just don't, *Want to*, "find out" things.
With excuses why of course too ;-)


SO go here and see the Latest at DON'S!

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/lab.html

He posted last night late :-)

Thanks JanC for the Food info. But boy I am worried over and for LeslieK's happenings there.

My head swims too for all the diferent Foods and where so much wet/dry is made!
I was going to try the EVO {dry} next. I think' it's in this same Food 'family'. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know {and I&#8217;ll probably post this in other threads today as well} Regarding the testing; A Lab can set &#8220;perimeters&#8221; for tests just about any way they want.</p>
<p>That would Also include include perimeters to MISS things.<br />
And the more you know in advance of what you are looking for, the easier it would be to adjust the perimeters in advance of Testing.</p>
<p>So when someone would like to duplcate results, they would want to know and do the Same or in the same manner/perimeters as the previous Labs.</p>
<p>A little adjstment one way or the other; and Voila You Do or Don&#8217;t not have results similar.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a professional courtesy, to ask for the SETTINGS.</p>
<p>I do know if anyone is Calling Expertox and even bothering to ask them.</p>
<p>Just thinkng out loud here ya know.</p>
<p>&#8216;One time&#8217; I did a test at a Lab/clinic and came up with some results in one State. A few months down the road, I had a clinic in a different State, for the same Patient, call to ask me, what SETTINGS and what Equipment I used for Comparison/duplication purposes. To benefit the patient.<br />
Otherwise, you can hurt the patient and their treatment and have Misleading results in many directions. </p>
<p>I suppose if they did Not want to help &#8220;the Patient&#8221;, the wouldn&#8217;t have bothered to call Right? {wink}<br />
And they might have missed something all together.<br />
Being helpful or not. Being Part of the Team or the advisary. Question Why.</p>
<p>{Kinda maybe like comparing a FERN Lab to a, let&#8217;s say, down the street &#8216;Everyday&#8217; Blood testing Lab.</p>
<p>A FERN Lab, Is one because, of What they can do Over other Labs. The latest and Greatest &#8216;toys&#8217; there. BTW ones who&#8217;s results, that the FDA poo-pooed a couple months back!}</p>
<p>Sometimes we just don&#8217;t, *Want to*, &#8220;find out&#8221; things.<br />
With excuses why of course too ;-)</p>
<p>SO go here and see the Latest at DON&#8217;S!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/lab.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/lab.html</a></p>
<p>He posted last night late :-)</p>
<p>Thanks JanC for the Food info. But boy I am worried over and for LeslieK&#8217;s happenings there.</p>
<p>My head swims too for all the diferent Foods and where so much wet/dry is made!<br />
I was going to try the EVO {dry} next. I think&#8217; it&#8217;s in this same Food &#8216;family&#8217;. :-(</p>
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		<title>By: petslave</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28886</link>
		<author>petslave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28886</guid>
		<description>Leslie--I hope your dogs are doing OK now &#38; don't suffer any permanent problems.  Does sound like it was the food.  

Didn't you say you thought Evanger's dry was made by Ohio?  Hopefully it's not linked to these other problems, but Evanger's seems like a company that will be quick to check on this &#38; actually do something about it right away.  Keep us posted about your results &#38; how your dogs are doing.  The little pets are hit so much harder than the big ones with this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie&#8211;I hope your dogs are doing OK now &amp; don&#8217;t suffer any permanent problems.  Does sound like it was the food.  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you say you thought Evanger&#8217;s dry was made by Ohio?  Hopefully it&#8217;s not linked to these other problems, but Evanger&#8217;s seems like a company that will be quick to check on this &amp; actually do something about it right away.  Keep us posted about your results &amp; how your dogs are doing.  The little pets are hit so much harder than the big ones with this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: JanC</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28873</link>
		<author>JanC</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28873</guid>
		<description>YaYa:

Canidae &#38; Natura (dry) are made in different places.  Natura has their own plant for the dry &#38; is using Menu (with strict oversight) until they can open their own plant for the wet food.  Evangers makes their own wet &#38; I'm looking to see if I can find where their dry is made.  The only thing I can find is that they make all their own foods, according to the pet food list so they must have a plant for the dry also.  Canidae wet I believe is made at Evangers but their dry is made at Pied Piper if I remember correctly.  I do so much reading that sometimes my brain is totally jumbled.

I'm jumping ahead here but I cannot believe the FDA came out to publicly announce they could not duplicate the acetaminophen in pet foods.....naturally, we all made the foolish assumption that they tested the same pet foods as ExperTox (or whatever the name of the lab in TX is).....I just read a whole big blurb on the FDA's testing &#38; they didn't even test the same food.  What the hell is wrong with these people?  This doesn't make any sense to me at all &#38; I'm not even a scientist.  I would think they'd be a little bit smarter about these tests than me.....but apparently I was wrong.  This infuriates me no end.....anyone who doesn't follow this will now believe that the other lab was wrong......after all, isn't the FDA out there for our safety &#38; that of our pets.....aren't they ones to be trusted?  Boy oh boy, this gets worse by the day.

And now we find out that the PFI is putting down that lab.....wonder now just how close the PFI &#38; FDA are......FDA is now following PFI's lead &#38; testing different food without being specific about that part of the testing &#38; then announced publicly that the lab is wrong.....that they can't duplicate the results.  Oh, puuuuullllllllleeeeeeezzzzzz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YaYa:</p>
<p>Canidae &amp; Natura (dry) are made in different places.  Natura has their own plant for the dry &amp; is using Menu (with strict oversight) until they can open their own plant for the wet food.  Evangers makes their own wet &amp; I&#8217;m looking to see if I can find where their dry is made.  The only thing I can find is that they make all their own foods, according to the pet food list so they must have a plant for the dry also.  Canidae wet I believe is made at Evangers but their dry is made at Pied Piper if I remember correctly.  I do so much reading that sometimes my brain is totally jumbled.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m jumping ahead here but I cannot believe the FDA came out to publicly announce they could not duplicate the acetaminophen in pet foods&#8230;..naturally, we all made the foolish assumption that they tested the same pet foods as ExperTox (or whatever the name of the lab in TX is)&#8230;..I just read a whole big blurb on the FDA&#8217;s testing &amp; they didn&#8217;t even test the same food.  What the hell is wrong with these people?  This doesn&#8217;t make any sense to me at all &amp; I&#8217;m not even a scientist.  I would think they&#8217;d be a little bit smarter about these tests than me&#8230;..but apparently I was wrong.  This infuriates me no end&#8230;..anyone who doesn&#8217;t follow this will now believe that the other lab was wrong&#8230;&#8230;after all, isn&#8217;t the FDA out there for our safety &amp; that of our pets&#8230;..aren&#8217;t they ones to be trusted?  Boy oh boy, this gets worse by the day.</p>
<p>And now we find out that the PFI is putting down that lab&#8230;..wonder now just how close the PFI &amp; FDA are&#8230;&#8230;FDA is now following PFI&#8217;s lead &amp; testing different food without being specific about that part of the testing &amp; then announced publicly that the lab is wrong&#8230;..that they can&#8217;t duplicate the results.  Oh, puuuuullllllllleeeeeeezzzzzz.</p>
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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28793</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28793</guid>
		<description>LeslieK if you do get food tested, Please send it to the one Lab we can trust right now, that wold be Expertox in Texas. They also told me they can test Open cans and bags as well as unopened. {you'd have to call them for shipping instructions}

I firmly believe they are spot on, on what needs to be done to find the Poisons.

I sure hope it's not the food LeslieK but something is seriously amiss they for your pets.

Can you put what Open cans you have inyour Freezer in double bags- Zip-loc bags till we can zero in on what you have going on right now there? Please.
Save the open food.

I am so sad for you right now :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeslieK if you do get food tested, Please send it to the one Lab we can trust right now, that wold be Expertox in Texas. They also told me they can test Open cans and bags as well as unopened. {you&#8217;d have to call them for shipping instructions}</p>
<p>I firmly believe they are spot on, on what needs to be done to find the Poisons.</p>
<p>I sure hope it&#8217;s not the food LeslieK but something is seriously amiss they for your pets.</p>
<p>Can you put what Open cans you have inyour Freezer in double bags- Zip-loc bags till we can zero in on what you have going on right now there? Please.<br />
Save the open food.</p>
<p>I am so sad for you right now :-(</p>
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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28788</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28788</guid>
		<description>Does *NATURA* make the Candid the Evangers Brands what ever all of them all??????

Someone let me know.

Midwest is doing their testing and we just found out they may have their testing detection set too HIGH for melamine and cyarunic acid and Can *NOT* test for Acetaminophen at all!!!!!!!

Please let me know someone If Natura makes Leslie's foods Ok?!

IF so, we Need to be VERY concerned here and NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does *NATURA* make the Candid the Evangers Brands what ever all of them all??????</p>
<p>Someone let me know.</p>
<p>Midwest is doing their testing and we just found out they may have their testing detection set too HIGH for melamine and cyarunic acid and Can *NOT* test for Acetaminophen at all!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Please let me know someone If Natura makes Leslie&#8217;s foods Ok?!</p>
<p>IF so, we Need to be VERY concerned here and NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28787</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28787</guid>
		<description>Just off the top of my head LeslieK I remember that Acetaminpphen makes CATS swell. Not sure about dogs.

I Vote, New Vet!

Please take care LeslieK and babies!
Keep us posted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just off the top of my head LeslieK I remember that Acetaminpphen makes CATS swell. Not sure about dogs.</p>
<p>I Vote, New Vet!</p>
<p>Please take care LeslieK and babies!<br />
Keep us posted!</p>
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		<title>By: petslave</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28779</link>
		<author>petslave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28779</guid>
		<description>I noticed you did post your dry food request on another forum, maybe I'll try cross-posting to your comments on this one so people can follow it if they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed you did post your dry food request on another forum, maybe I&#8217;ll try cross-posting to your comments on this one so people can follow it if they want.</p>
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		<title>By: petslave</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28774</link>
		<author>petslave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28774</guid>
		<description>wow this really sounds serious.  please post it on the discussion forums &#38; on the one of today's forums where more people are right now.  everyone should know this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow this really sounds serious.  please post it on the discussion forums &amp; on the one of today&#8217;s forums where more people are right now.  everyone should know this!</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie k</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28754</link>
		<author>Leslie k</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28754</guid>
		<description>Janc- I talked to the lab already. They might test the ones the dogs &#38; cats just picked at together but because of the illness they don't even want the Evangers stored or shipped with the others. My neighbors cat kept trying to bury 2 of the dry dog foods.  Maybe she should rent her to the FDA. Probably a more accurate test than what they're doing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janc- I talked to the lab already. They might test the ones the dogs &amp; cats just picked at together but because of the illness they don&#8217;t even want the Evangers stored or shipped with the others. My neighbors cat kept trying to bury 2 of the dry dog foods.  Maybe she should rent her to the FDA. Probably a more accurate test than what they&#8217;re doing now.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie k</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/recall-update-wednesday-10-1052#comment-28753</link>
		<author>Leslie k</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petslave- the chi had the most problems. Slight fever, lethargic,gaunt face &#38; bloated body. Frequent urination &#38; accidents in the house. Loose stools. Wouldn't jump up &#38; acted skittish if we tried to pick him up. High bilirubin,ggtp &#38; very high eosinophils. Low T4. High rbc in urinalysis. Urine not concentrating. My beagle was urinating frequently &#38; accidents. My lab mix had the runs only. My neighbors lab had the sunken face,bloated body,frequent urination &#38; the runs or loose stool at least 6x a day.Also lethargic &#38; all picking at food.[Mine usually eat so fast they sometimes get sick].It started within 3 days of starting the Evangers. I did mix it slowly into existing food. As I decreased it they improved. When I stopped it totally &#38; went to only Cal Nat they had no symptoms in 2 days. Another friend who had the same size &#38; date &#38; lot# had no problems. Her dog only had about 10-15 pieces though. 
 I think the dry is made at Ohio which has had no recalls. Like I said the owner is responding well about the problem. Hopefully it will turn out to be something minor. I would prefer to use small private co's. I just feel I need my own test results also. I don't mean to badmouth a caring co;but also don't want other dogs or cats to get sick because I didn't say anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petslave- the chi had the most problems. Slight fever, lethargic,gaunt face &amp; bloated body. Frequent urination &amp; accidents in the house. Loose stools. Wouldn&#8217;t jump up &amp; acted skittish if we tried to pick him up. High bilirubin,ggtp &amp; very high eosinophils. Low T4. High rbc in urinalysis. Urine not concentrating. My beagle was urinating frequently &amp; accidents. My lab mix had the runs only. My neighbors lab had the sunken face,bloated body,frequent urination &amp; the runs or loose stool at least 6x a day.Also lethargic &amp; all picking at food.[Mine usually eat so fast they sometimes get sick].It started within 3 days of starting the Evangers. I did mix it slowly into existing food. As I decreased it they improved. When I stopped it totally &amp; went to only Cal Nat they had no symptoms in 2 days. Another friend who had the same size &amp; date &amp; lot# had no problems. Her dog only had about 10-15 pieces though.<br />
 I think the dry is made at Ohio which has had no recalls. Like I said the owner is responding well about the problem. Hopefully it will turn out to be something minor. I would prefer to use small private co&#8217;s. I just feel I need my own test results also. I don&#8217;t mean to badmouth a caring co;but also don&#8217;t want other dogs or cats to get sick because I didn&#8217;t say anything.</p>
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