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	<title>Comments on: Reports Of China Sending Cats To &#8220;Death Camps&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Simone</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-225932</link>
		<author>Simone</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I just don't understand why China is so rigid for change in the treatment of companion animals. I have campaigned and sent letters. I created petitions and I have gotten people involved as well. They do nothing but lie to the world and act like it doesn't even happen. I am ashamed at being a human being, because our own people are ignoring our cries to protect our companion animals. I think they have suffered enough. They need to end this cruelty for good and forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I just don&#8217;t understand why China is so rigid for change in the treatment of companion animals. I have campaigned and sent letters. I created petitions and I have gotten people involved as well. They do nothing but lie to the world and act like it doesn&#8217;t even happen. I am ashamed at being a human being, because our own people are ignoring our cries to protect our companion animals. I think they have suffered enough. They need to end this cruelty for good and forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-139527</link>
		<author>Pam</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-139527</guid>
		<description> How many people have a Emotional Support Cat! Now there is a website that makes ESC patches go online to Pup'parel if you don't see them ask her when will they be up for sale!
 Great to wear on your cat when you are flying she even make x-samll vest so cats can wear them, you just have to order a x-small dog vest. Also make sure your cat can walk in a harness and lesh before taking them on a airplane this will make them look more of a working animal not just a pet.
Also go online and look up the laws on flying in airplane with your ESC you don't need to pay for the cat to be with you just read the law first to see what it say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people have a Emotional Support Cat! Now there is a website that makes ESC patches go online to Pup&#8217;parel if you don&#8217;t see them ask her when will they be up for sale!<br />
 Great to wear on your cat when you are flying she even make x-samll vest so cats can wear them, you just have to order a x-small dog vest. Also make sure your cat can walk in a harness and lesh before taking them on a airplane this will make them look more of a working animal not just a pet.<br />
Also go online and look up the laws on flying in airplane with your ESC you don&#8217;t need to pay for the cat to be with you just read the law first to see what it say!</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-138869</link>
		<author>nancy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-138869</guid>
		<description>i've been trying very hard to stop buying 'made in china' since i first found out about cat and dog torture 2 years ago. this reinforces my position in boycotting their products and not supporting their cruel regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve been trying very hard to stop buying &#8216;made in china&#8217; since i first found out about cat and dog torture 2 years ago. this reinforces my position in boycotting their products and not supporting their cruel regime.</p>
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		<title>By: rikki</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-135490</link>
		<author>rikki</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-135490</guid>
		<description>I began boycotting all things China awhile back when they killed a lot of their dogs. Next came the pet food nightmare last year. Even though I was boycotting China at that time I certainly wasn't aware that ingredients were being sourced from that country. We here were fortunate at my home and none of the pets got sick...but that is only because we were LUCKY, plain and simple, imo. 


So I learned more and became even more aware of where things came from - I look at it as a way to honor the many pets that were poisoned by the tainted products. 


I'm at the point now where I even hound my doctor and pharmacists about where my medication and vitamins are produced. I've eaten organic for many years, local as much as possible, but see that a lot of organic frozen veggies are being shipped from China now. Oh I bet they really are strict about their organic certification too!! (Rolling eyes) 


I refuse to contribute to their reign of terror and do so by intentionally not purchasing products labeled "Made in China" - they might slip a couple things by me with some "creative" labelling but I'm getting pretty good at reading the fine print (or in some cases the no print!! That for sure is a signal it's not something I want - lol)


It is NOT easy to shop sometimes but it is something I feel strongly about: China has no regard for their own people so they certainly have even less for me and my family. I have no intentions of supporting them economically for that attitude either!


I'm very sorry to read about the cat situation and how it is being addressed - just one more reason for me to reaffirm my now long-term committment to boycott China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I began boycotting all things China awhile back when they killed a lot of their dogs. Next came the pet food nightmare last year. Even though I was boycotting China at that time I certainly wasn&#8217;t aware that ingredients were being sourced from that country. We here were fortunate at my home and none of the pets got sick&#8230;but that is only because we were LUCKY, plain and simple, imo. </p>
<p>So I learned more and became even more aware of where things came from - I look at it as a way to honor the many pets that were poisoned by the tainted products. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m at the point now where I even hound my doctor and pharmacists about where my medication and vitamins are produced. I&#8217;ve eaten organic for many years, local as much as possible, but see that a lot of organic frozen veggies are being shipped from China now. Oh I bet they really are strict about their organic certification too!! (Rolling eyes) </p>
<p>I refuse to contribute to their reign of terror and do so by intentionally not purchasing products labeled &#8220;Made in China&#8221; - they might slip a couple things by me with some &#8220;creative&#8221; labelling but I&#8217;m getting pretty good at reading the fine print (or in some cases the no print!! That for sure is a signal it&#8217;s not something I want - lol)</p>
<p>It is NOT easy to shop sometimes but it is something I feel strongly about: China has no regard for their own people so they certainly have even less for me and my family. I have no intentions of supporting them economically for that attitude either!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very sorry to read about the cat situation and how it is being addressed - just one more reason for me to reaffirm my now long-term committment to boycott China.</p>
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		<title>By: johnypaycut</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132886</link>
		<author>johnypaycut</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132886</guid>
		<description>the rats can have bejing... (maybe they'l outlast the rest of the 2legged 1's?
i suspect the goofy communists can't figure it out? i'l spell it out&#62; you don't 
behave like like a cruel dicatorship ,and expect the rest of the world won't
see thru it.
killing cat's and dogs, tibet, massive miltary, posion foods?
come on you dummies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rats can have bejing&#8230; (maybe they&#8217;l outlast the rest of the 2legged 1&#8217;s?<br />
i suspect the goofy communists can&#8217;t figure it out? i&#8217;l spell it out&gt; you don&#8217;t<br />
behave like like a cruel dicatorship ,and expect the rest of the world won&#8217;t<br />
see thru it.<br />
killing cat&#8217;s and dogs, tibet, massive miltary, posion foods?<br />
come on you dummies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wescott20</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132616</link>
		<author>Wescott20</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132616</guid>
		<description>In my family, because we are so disgusted with China (especially their atrocities towards dogs and cats) we try to boycott Chinese goods the best we can.  As Lois Kimball stated, it is very difficult, though.  The best way to do it is to buy less goods.  Those we do buy will cost more, but they won't be made in China.   Chinese goods are poor quality as well, to add insult to injury.  Sure they're cheap...you get what you pay for.  I also will not be watching the Chinese hosted Olympics...choosing China for the Olympics was a horrible decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my family, because we are so disgusted with China (especially their atrocities towards dogs and cats) we try to boycott Chinese goods the best we can.  As Lois Kimball stated, it is very difficult, though.  The best way to do it is to buy less goods.  Those we do buy will cost more, but they won&#8217;t be made in China.   Chinese goods are poor quality as well, to add insult to injury.  Sure they&#8217;re cheap&#8230;you get what you pay for.  I also will not be watching the Chinese hosted Olympics&#8230;choosing China for the Olympics was a horrible decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132564</link>
		<author>Claudia</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132564</guid>
		<description>I can look at it that way as well :)</description>
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		<title>By: poodluv</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132252</link>
		<author>poodluv</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132252</guid>
		<description>Claudia,
You have made several good points and I agree with you.
I am not one that is ashamed to admit when I'm wrong, and perhaps I was wrong. Maybe I took what you said the wrong way.

It just upset me when I read that ... I couldnt help but think 'how dare someone critisize this poor woman for doing all she can....'
it made me angry for her to be referred to as a hoarder when there are obviously very FEW people willing to go out of their way and care for the strays in china. The only kind of label that she deserves to carry (in my opinion) is 'one of the few CARING souls' of china, certainly not hoarder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia,<br />
You have made several good points and I agree with you.<br />
I am not one that is ashamed to admit when I&#8217;m wrong, and perhaps I was wrong. Maybe I took what you said the wrong way.</p>
<p>It just upset me when I read that &#8230; I couldnt help but think &#8216;how dare someone critisize this poor woman for doing all she can&#8230;.&#8217;<br />
it made me angry for her to be referred to as a hoarder when there are obviously very FEW people willing to go out of their way and care for the strays in china. The only kind of label that she deserves to carry (in my opinion) is &#8216;one of the few CARING souls&#8217; of china, certainly not hoarder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132213</link>
		<author>Claudia</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132213</guid>
		<description>poodluv,

I don't think anyone is condemning Hu Yuan. I am sure she is doing this out of love and compassion. It is an observation and a comment made by someone from another site. 

Anyone who has 250 cats in an apartment obviously has their reasons, but sometimes they do not see that living that way may be unsustainable. Perhaps I would do the same in her situation. I have my own gaggle of cats at home and my mother has more than I, so I don't just pay lip service to saving cats. The worst part about a situation like Yuan's, and I have seen this happen many times working for an animal shelter; a well meaning, senior has many pets and upon death, no-kill shelters are scrambling to find spaces for them because their relatives don't want the SPCA to put them down. It is one thing to re-home 10 or 20 animals, but something quite different when you are talking about 250.

I commend anyone for taking on the cause of saving animals, but there has to be a realistic plan for the cats' sustainability and health, and support for the individual who is caring for them. Hu Yuan may be a sane hoarder (I think we use that term because it is not the norm to house so many cats in such a small space, not because we want to villify her). Other agencies in China are saving cats as well, but they have procured a facility or have arranged for foster homes until the cats are adopted and do not take more than they can realistically look after.

I have personally known an individual who had 2 dogs, 4 ferrets and 22 cats in a 900 sq. ft. home and even though the entire family of four pitched in with feeding and cleaning, it was a full-time job. They had put up shelves on their kitchen walls for the cats to sit on and the pariah cats lived on the television set because they were too afraid of the others. With that many in such a small space, there are bound to be territorial issues. 

These cats were cared for impeccably. They all saw the vet when necessary and none of them went without love. But that was 22 between four people. None of us know the Yuan situation, but I can only imagine what the workload might be like. Bless her for trying. I invite you to read about others that have been in this situation (Bertha Rand -- 50 cats, Donna and Jack Wright -- up to 692 cats), and they both just started out not wanting to turn them away at the door for fear that they would be put down. You may enjoy a book called "Cats I have known and Loved by Pierre Berton.

Good on you to take Yuan's side. Not everyone should play devil's advocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poodluv,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is condemning Hu Yuan. I am sure she is doing this out of love and compassion. It is an observation and a comment made by someone from another site. </p>
<p>Anyone who has 250 cats in an apartment obviously has their reasons, but sometimes they do not see that living that way may be unsustainable. Perhaps I would do the same in her situation. I have my own gaggle of cats at home and my mother has more than I, so I don&#8217;t just pay lip service to saving cats. The worst part about a situation like Yuan&#8217;s, and I have seen this happen many times working for an animal shelter; a well meaning, senior has many pets and upon death, no-kill shelters are scrambling to find spaces for them because their relatives don&#8217;t want the SPCA to put them down. It is one thing to re-home 10 or 20 animals, but something quite different when you are talking about 250.</p>
<p>I commend anyone for taking on the cause of saving animals, but there has to be a realistic plan for the cats&#8217; sustainability and health, and support for the individual who is caring for them. Hu Yuan may be a sane hoarder (I think we use that term because it is not the norm to house so many cats in such a small space, not because we want to villify her). Other agencies in China are saving cats as well, but they have procured a facility or have arranged for foster homes until the cats are adopted and do not take more than they can realistically look after.</p>
<p>I have personally known an individual who had 2 dogs, 4 ferrets and 22 cats in a 900 sq. ft. home and even though the entire family of four pitched in with feeding and cleaning, it was a full-time job. They had put up shelves on their kitchen walls for the cats to sit on and the pariah cats lived on the television set because they were too afraid of the others. With that many in such a small space, there are bound to be territorial issues. </p>
<p>These cats were cared for impeccably. They all saw the vet when necessary and none of them went without love. But that was 22 between four people. None of us know the Yuan situation, but I can only imagine what the workload might be like. Bless her for trying. I invite you to read about others that have been in this situation (Bertha Rand &#8212; 50 cats, Donna and Jack Wright &#8212; up to 692 cats), and they both just started out not wanting to turn them away at the door for fear that they would be put down. You may enjoy a book called &#8220;Cats I have known and Loved by Pierre Berton.</p>
<p>Good on you to take Yuan&#8217;s side. Not everyone should play devil&#8217;s advocate.</p>
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		<title>By: poodluv</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132128</link>
		<author>poodluv</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-132128</guid>
		<description>I guess here on itchmo for 'some readers' your damned if you do and damned if you dont....

You complain about what they are doing to the poor animals.....

and yet you STILL complain about ONE poor soul that's just trying to help the animals because she DOES care! Instead you call her a hoarder....

Hu Yuan..AGAIN I say 'Thank you' for doing as much as you can.

Some people are afraid to do more or just REFUSE to do more so out of fear of making themselves look bad for not doing MORE they call others 'hoarders' 

Some sick way of justifying your OWN laziness maybe....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess here on itchmo for &#8217;some readers&#8217; your damned if you do and damned if you dont&#8230;.</p>
<p>You complain about what they are doing to the poor animals&#8230;..</p>
<p>and yet you STILL complain about ONE poor soul that&#8217;s just trying to help the animals because she DOES care! Instead you call her a hoarder&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hu Yuan..AGAIN I say &#8216;Thank you&#8217; for doing as much as you can.</p>
<p>Some people are afraid to do more or just REFUSE to do more so out of fear of making themselves look bad for not doing MORE they call others &#8216;hoarders&#8217; </p>
<p>Some sick way of justifying your OWN laziness maybe&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131793</link>
		<author>Donna</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be  we all need to get to gether and help support the compassion work this lady is doing. One person ...........can  make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be  we all need to get to gether and help support the compassion work this lady is doing. One person &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..can  make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131774</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131774</guid>
		<description>ESAD China!  

The U.S. supports bringing in all their toxic crap.  It makes me sick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESAD China!  </p>
<p>The U.S. supports bringing in all their toxic crap.  It makes me sick!</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131769</link>
		<author>Claudia</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131769</guid>
		<description>Some day there may be hope for China and other communist countries. One day, like the former Russia, China will fall apart at the seams and perhaps there will be a young, compassionate person who truly cares -- that people will not be afraid to follow. That is what it's all about, isn't it? Fear? Maybe in a generation or two. Young Chinese people are beginning to think more like us, here in the west (as noted by the many international students I have met). It would be nice to see something like that in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some day there may be hope for China and other communist countries. One day, like the former Russia, China will fall apart at the seams and perhaps there will be a young, compassionate person who truly cares &#8212; that people will not be afraid to follow. That is what it&#8217;s all about, isn&#8217;t it? Fear? Maybe in a generation or two. Young Chinese people are beginning to think more like us, here in the west (as noted by the many international students I have met). It would be nice to see something like that in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: shibadiva</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131742</link>
		<author>shibadiva</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claudia, well put. The links to the Asian animal welfare sites at the bottom of the Best Friends article were heartbreaking, but that information is common knowledge to most of us on Itchmo. I can almost imagine the horror these good people face every day with not only animal abuse, but the cultural norm in parts of China. I can almost imagine it because here in North America, although we mostly don't eat companion animals (horse meat is a delicacy though), many people feel they are disposable and do not deserve any special consideration.

I wonder what a Hindu would think of the case at Hallmark Meats with the abuse of the downed cows?

Getting off topic, and making no apologies for North American abuses. What I wanted to say was that (and I love Best Friends), the article seemed apologetic that we would even consider pointing fingers, yet to quote: â€œIrene Zhang, Manager of Animal Rescue Beijing, and a friend of Best Friends, has written that Ms. Wu, the Founder of Animal Rescue Beijing, has talked with the managers of the parks in Beijing, and was told that they are no longer seeing cats being trapped by the authorities, and that that activity has stopped.â€ 

That sounds like an acknowledgement (at least  through a friend of a friend of a friend) that a roundup was taking place. And the links leading to the atrocities in the Chinese food industry somehow also seemed dissonant after denials about this story that's circulating on the net and being repeated in blogs and which will show up in Snopes sometime soon as an urban legend...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia, well put. The links to the Asian animal welfare sites at the bottom of the Best Friends article were heartbreaking, but that information is common knowledge to most of us on Itchmo. I can almost imagine the horror these good people face every day with not only animal abuse, but the cultural norm in parts of China. I can almost imagine it because here in North America, although we mostly don&#8217;t eat companion animals (horse meat is a delicacy though), many people feel they are disposable and do not deserve any special consideration.</p>
<p>I wonder what a Hindu would think of the case at Hallmark Meats with the abuse of the downed cows?</p>
<p>Getting off topic, and making no apologies for North American abuses. What I wanted to say was that (and I love Best Friends), the article seemed apologetic that we would even consider pointing fingers, yet to quote: â€œIrene Zhang, Manager of Animal Rescue Beijing, and a friend of Best Friends, has written that Ms. Wu, the Founder of Animal Rescue Beijing, has talked with the managers of the parks in Beijing, and was told that they are no longer seeing cats being trapped by the authorities, and that that activity has stopped.â€ </p>
<p>That sounds like an acknowledgement (at least  through a friend of a friend of a friend) that a roundup was taking place. And the links leading to the atrocities in the Chinese food industry somehow also seemed dissonant after denials about this story that&#8217;s circulating on the net and being repeated in blogs and which will show up in Snopes sometime soon as an urban legend&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Plabuddy</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/reports-of-china-sending-cats-to-death-camps-4876#comment-131719</link>
		<author>Plabuddy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the rats and mice do take over the whole country, then  all the people start dying horrible deaths like they did when the plague killed countless numbers of people due to the overpopulation of rats.Then the deaths of all these cats and all the pets that died from China poisened products will be avenged. Seems like poetic justice. Sorry to be so graphic, I am just so angry. We must boycott the Olympics!! We must boycott China!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the rats and mice do take over the whole country, then  all the people start dying horrible deaths like they did when the plague killed countless numbers of people due to the overpopulation of rats.Then the deaths of all these cats and all the pets that died from China poisened products will be avenged. Seems like poetic justice. Sorry to be so graphic, I am just so angry. We must boycott the Olympics!! We must boycott China!!</p>
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