Update On Consumers Testing For Toxins In Cat And Dog Food

TestingAll over the nation, pet owners are trying to find answers to their questions on if our pet food is safe. Instead of waiting for the FDA or hearing that their food is unsafe from a company recall, many owners have been taking the matter into their own hands and testing their own cat and dog food to see if there are any contaminants in the food.

UC Davis’s lab is reporting that they found melamine and cyanuric acid in 35% to 40% of pet food tested out of 650 samples. They generally work through vets, but they tested some pet food samples from owners of cats and dogs because of the high demand. That 35-40% percentage seems quite high for pet food testing positive for melamine or cyanuric acid. We wonder how many of those tested pet food samples are NOT on the recall list.

Many Itchmo readers are familiar with Don Earl and his cat, Chuckles, who died in December of sudden kidney failure. Determined to find some answers on Chuckles’s food, he found a private lab to conduct tests on his cat’s food at his own expense.

“If anything comes out of this, it’s going to be through the efforts of people like me doing the research and testing on their own,” Earl said.

“We’re over three months into this thing and private citizens are finding evidence that no one else is even bothering to look for. And that’s beyond unacceptable.”

FDA officials and other experts, however, don’t recommend the path taken by Earl, saying that consumers don’t have the means to determine whether a lab is reliable.

ExperTox, the lab that tested Earl’s cat food, found traces of acetaminophen in several pet food samples including Earl’s pet food sample. ExperTox said that about 70% of the pet food samples that are being tested are being requested by individual pet owners. A spokesperson for the lab said that there were 5 or 6 samples that tested positive for acetaminophen.

Earl then tested his cat’s food at an Oregon lab for common toxic chemicals, not including melamine, and the results came back negative. This has not deterred Earl from continuing to test for acetaminophen, melamine and other toxins in pet food.

“I’m looking for a third lab to see if they can duplicate the ExperTox results,” Earl said. “The FDA didn’t want to do testing…. After each recall, they’d say everything else was safe, until the next week when they came out with another recall. After a certain point, you stop believing them.”

That could be the crux of the issue: some pet owners’ unwillingness to trust the government to get to the bottom of the issue.

More on pet owners testing their pet food on their own to find answers after the jump.

From the LA Times (registration required):
The Texas lab, ExperTox, has been under fire by pet food companies and the FDA because Menu Foods said that they disputed the lab’s findings and said that FDA tests resulted in negative findings also. Although it seems like the FDA cannot confirm that they tested the same cat food that Earl tested.

Zawisza [FDA spokesperson] could not confirm that the agency tested Pet Pride food, but she said it had obtained at least five samples of food that consumers believed had been tainted with the pain reliever, and that each tested negative.

In addition, the California Animal Health and Food Safety Lab at UC Davis tested a different sample of the same product that Earl submitted to ExperTox and also did not find acetaminophen, Poppenga [a professor of veterinary diagnostic toxicology at UC Davis’ School of Veterinary Medicine] said.

“There’s no evidence of a widespread problem,” Poppenga said. “A lot of people are getting worked up about something that may not be real.”

Amidst all of the conflicting results, lack of communication and action from the FDA and pet food companies, the questions and the concern for pet’s safety still remain in the forefront of pet owners’ minds.

100 Responses to “Update On Consumers Testing For Toxins In Cat And Dog Food”

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  1. Pukanuba says:

    Trudy…..E is still posting in the forums under Join Alice’s Army.

    AnnaS……The only way we will ever make a difference is to stop buying the big PF companies’ garbage, er I mean food & try to talk to others to get them to buy something decent other than the big names. We can also stop buying their other products as they make a lot more than pet food. They will only acknowledge us when it starts to affect their profits. Otherwise, they could care less about us or our dead/sick pets.

  2. Steve says:

    spocko at 3:21 pm

    When the human spirit stands up to the cold, faceless, dehumanizing, destructive machinery of the state, there is a release of emotional energy whose force transcends material calculation.

    They can call in all the experts they want. And stumble and stammer and switch their story all they want it won’t make one damn difference.

    It’s they who are being judged not us.

  3. Steve says:

    See what these bastards are worried about is this thing becoming a major political movement. Thats why they want to divide everyone fighting a common cause for safe food in this country before it becomes a tidal wave of bad news for them.

  4. Donna C says:

    AnnaS -
    I understand how you feel. Sometimes I wonder if it really makes a difference.

    However, we are the only ones that are capable of making a difference for our pets in this situation. Some journalists say certain issues do not pass their “sniff tests.” The FDA states “consumers don’t have the means to determine whether a lab is reliable.” A UC Davis professor thinks we’re worked up over something possibly not real.

    Whether we use this forum or start one of our own, we are the key to solving and resolving these issues. We can no longer rely on those who think we are not capable of making wise, educated decisions.

  5. Captn' Carl says:

    Why all this fuss about this “Poppenga”? It is obvious that this character is a crank or a “plant” here to sow the seeds of discord among us and to promote infighting and division; and if he plays it right and enough of you take the bait, dissolution of our united front and purpose.

    I don’t care if he is the president of a pharmacological brain trust from Neptune. He can claim to be anyone he desires. Male, Female, Professional, Doctor, Lawyer,
    Indian Chief.

    We are taking his word sight unseen that he is who he claims to be.

    That, in and of itself is not a bright move and has been the downfall of more than one internet user.

    His statements are counter productive, subversive and are beginning to create the effect he and his master’s desire. Getting everyone at each other’s throats.

    C’mon folks. We’re smarter than that now aren’t we?

    Another “snowman” trying to snow us all with pompous official statements that contradict our very basis here.

    Stick together and root this vermin out. When no one responds to his posts or acknowledges his presence he will sink back into the primordial ooze from whence he came.

    We have a lot of like minded and intelligent concerned individuals that post here. It has been said that “one bad apple spoils the barrel”, if we allow this “Poppenga” to propagate the seeds of discord he is trying to sow here, he will indeed spoil this for everyone and win a tremendous victory for his masters.

    Ignore him and any other rabble that may infiltrate here. Recognize them for what they are. Don’t fall for their tricks and sneaky strategies designed to split this concerned and determined group apart.

    Stand together unshakable and unwavering in our convictions and we will triumph.

  6. Steve says:

    “There’s no evidence of a widespread problem,” Poppenga said. “A lot of people are getting worked up about something that may not be real.”

    Oh it’s real Doogie. You better believe it’s real. THE REAL DEAL.

    Glad your not my Vet that I’ll tell you right to your face anytime.

  7. Purina Puke says:

    Sorry people I am here. I know a lot of people have been wondering where everyone went. Well lately life has gotten in the way. Bad life! *Shakes finger at it.*

    I still feel all this is overwhelming, but we WILL prevail. If nothing else but by not buying the rotten food. Does anyone know how much Menu Foods or Purina products have gone down lately?

  8. JJ in IL says:

    AnnaS 7-1 10:29pm post asked if we are making a difference?
    On front page of chgo sunday tribune: Tainted seafood risks China’s stake in U.S. chicagotribune.com from MSNBC.com Tainted Chinese goods could lead to trade war “No country has an unblemished record on food and consumer product safety. But the evidence suggests China’s manufacturers are more careless, callous or unethical than other trading partners,” the paper said in the June 22 editorial.

    Anti-China sentiment is also finding its way into a television ad that debuted on Wednesday, sponsored by a union-funded group called WakeUpWalMart.com that has been a vocal opponent of the retailer.

    The ad points out that money spent at Wal-Mart enriches China, home to many Wal-Mart suppliers, and then it takes the rhetoris one giant step further.

    “China ships weapons to the terrorists in Afghanistan,” the ad says. Weapons the terrorists use to attach our troops. So before you shop at Wal-Mart, think about that. This July 4th, be a patriot.”

    The 120 million pet owners are making a difference. I went for dog treats and found some made in america, anything made elsewhere I just put it back. We can all continue to do that. Unless it is born, raised, does not leave this country and return, manufactured and assembled right here just say NO THANKS! and buy something that is 100% from the U.S.

  9. Don Earl says:

    I’ve added another acetaminophen and cyanuric acid positive lab report to the site, for another unrecalled dry dog food submitted by Donna. I’ve also added Chuckles vet’s blood and urine tests, and the pathology results for Steve’s cat Lynx.

    But, hey, I guess we just don’t know how to pick the right lab when our pets are sick or dead with symptoms consistent with acetaminophen poisoning, and the only lab screening for the substance just happens to find it in our pet food. What could we be thinking?

    The most interesting thing is that after the FDA announced they had tested pet food samples without finding acetaminophen, they contacted ExperTox in an effort to snag the samples in question. ExperTox then contacted those of us with acetaminophen positive samples for permission to release those samples to the FDA. Cart before the horse?

    Three of us refused, but gave ExperTox permission to allow the FDA to test the samples on site, with ExperTox watching. Do you know what happened? The FDA refused to test the samples under conditions which would make it impossible to lie about the results.

    For weeks my inbox has been flooded with accounts of companion animals sick, dead or dying from acetaminophen poisoning like symptoms after eating unrecalled pet food. Is the problem widespread or isn’t it?

    Everything is okay though, Dr. Poppycock said so.

    What’s that noise I hear? Is it the sound of docs flying South for the Winter?

  10. Carol says:

    “Don Earl says:

    July 2nd, 2007 at 5:03 am
    Three of us refused, but gave ExperTox permission to allow the FDA to test the samples on site, with ExperTox watching. Do you know what happened? The FDA refused to test the samples under conditions which would make it impossible to lie about the results.”

    I think this speaks volumes—-what is the FDA afraid of—what excuse are they giving if they had wanted the food—only they want it if they can do the testing “in secret”—hmmmmm, do they think we’re dumb??? They think we’re all over-reacting so why don’t they do all this in the open to prove us wrong??? I think I know the answer………don’t you too???

  11. nthstarr1 says:

    I just read the updates at Don Earl’s website ( and my sympathies for all)… I was particularly taken with Donna’s dogs troubles with Innova. I recently got a bag of Evo for my cats and all the 3 cats did was vomit almost every single time they ate the food. They have been having trouble (vomiting) lately with different dry cat foods ( and it is definitely food -related as if they vomit or not or how much varies from bag-to-bag/ different brands) but the Evo was by far the worst incidence of mass vomiting we have had so far. Oh and don’t forget that Evo is ‘grain-free’…

  12. Dee says:

    nthstarr 1

    Please contact me direct regarding your experience with the Evo. Thanks.
    pfr07ps (at) gmail.com

  13. Black Lab Owner says:

    Re: Confidentiality and Testing

    As I asked in my original post: Please urge any consumer who submitted pet food to private labs and received results positive for melamine and/or cyanuric acid to post the results.


    And with regard to poison levels depending upon lot, run, etc. This is a standard industry defense which has been posited since the start of the recall. Undoubtedly this would occur within manufacturing or home brew. Given that the lab referenced in the article states 35% to 40% of samples tested positive, unless you are suggesting a coordination among pet owners to submit from one lot, there must be a lot of products with poison in them.

  14. Pukanuba says:


    First of all, many thanks to you for all your work in getting foods tested & keeping us aware of what’s going on. We certainly are well aware that the FDA is useless in this respect. Sad that you have to take it upon yourself to do their job & not get paid the huge salaries that these FDA jokers make, thanks to tax payers like us.

    I just read the latest & it totally blew me out of the water. I AM SHOCKED. It’s one of the few that I felt was safe & was on my very short list of ok foods. I am also extremely surprised at their crappy attitude. I honestly felt these were people who cared about our pets providing only the best for them. Boy, was I ever wrong. Sort of sounds like they have the same mind-set as the rest of these greedy, pompous asses.

    I am going to bring that info to a small, holistic pet store owner who swears by that product. I think she should know. This is truly scary.

  15. Donna says:

    We hope everyone will be patient to await all results related to these findings. Please understand the information you referenced was written to be concise. The executive we spoke with at the pet food company did spend over 30 minutes with us by phone on two separate occasions. He listened to all of our concerns and comments. And he sought answers to some of the questions we raised which he addressed in the second call. However, we still have not heard the results of their analysis.

    We believe that we are still in a discovery phase with our findings and we hope they will honor their commitment to providing quality food. We are simply trying to find answers and hope they will work with us to do so.

  16. Maureen says:

    Don Earl says:
    July 2nd, 2007 at 5:03 am

    “I’ve added another acetaminophen and cyanuric acid positive lab report to the site, for another unrecalled dry dog food submitted by Donna.”

    Don’s site is a godsend (www.petfoodrecallfacts.com). I just read Donna’s information about her Innova kibble dog food testing positive for acetaminophen (trace) and cyanuric acid. That coupled with nthstar1’s post above with similar problems IS shocking. While trying to wean my cat off of commercial food, I’ve been supplementing his feeding with Innova/Evo. No problems — yet — but this is a wake up call.

    Donna’s information contains a new one for me: VITAMIN MINERAL PREMIX. Also, her experience with Natura is contrary to what the company is saying now about their testing and consumer-friendly approach.

    So we have to be wary of contaminated/adulterated wheat gluten, rice protein powder, corn gluten, and substituted wheat flour. I didn’t realize the manufacturers use a premix for their vitamins and minerals. Natura told Donna that the beige and black chunks in her dog’s kibble were vitamin-mineral premix that hadn’t been ground up properly. So was this contaminated premix or a vitamin/mineral overdose?

    Here’s a March 2007 article about a recent lawsuit against Royal Canin for vitamin overdosed pet food. NOTE THAT THEY BLAME THE COMPANY WHO SUPPLIED THE VITAMIN PREMIX. THE ARTICLE STATES THAT THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE MENU FOODS RECALL.

    Lawsuit says pet food was tainted; Food had harmful levels of vitamin D3, claims lawsuit against Royal Canin
    Guelph Mercury (Ontario)
    Laura Thompson

    “A class-action lawsuit, claiming that excessive amounts of vitamin D in certain cat and dog food caused serious illness or death in some pets, has been launched against a pet food manufacturer with local connections.
    The story says that the suit, filed last week in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, alleges Royal Canin Canada was negligent in testing pet food to make sure it was safe before marketing and selling it.
    Royal Canin is based in Toronto but is building its new headquarters and health nutrition plant in Puslinch Township. The facility is slated to open in 2008.

    The claim seeks $60 million in damages for consumers who purchased Royal Canin dog or cat food since Aug. 1, 2004. The claim is not related to the most recent pet food recall by Streetsville-based Menu Foods.
    The Royal Canin products were recalled in March 2006 exclusively through veterinary clinics, which prescribed the food products.

    Royal Canin said in a release it voluntarily withdrew seven canned products as a precaution because the food contained elevated levels of vitamin D3, which causes loss of appetite, lethargy, excessive drinking and urination in pets.

    A supplier of the vitamin-mineral premix was responsible for the error, the release said.

    Royal Canin officials declined to comment yesterday.”


  17. petslave says:

    wow this is really scary about the Innova products–everyone is considering this company’s dry foods one of few safe types to feed.

    nthstarr1–any chance of getting your Evo tested?

    I just started feeding one of my cats dry Evo about 9 days ago, used to feed it all the time until recall, when I switched to canned. He immediately started drinking a lot more water. I took him to the vet a week ago & all blood numbers look OK, so have just been assuming the increased water intake was just the switch from canned to dry for him.

  18. Pukanuba says:


    Thanks for the additional info. I’m just sick over this news because that was one of the few companies I felt was responsible enough to put only the best ingredients in the food plus all the testing they supposedly are doing.

    I had a terrible thought. One possibility is a vitamin OD similar to what happened before with RC but the second possibility is frightening. I have read over & over that most vitamins & minerals are now made in China. WHAT IF THEY ADDED ACET/CA TO THOSE VITAMINS & MINERALS????????? EVERY pet food company adds vitamins & minerals to their food……so if China has contaminated vitamins, all foods could very well be loaded with harmful ingredients. Same goes for our vitamins & other supplements.

    All I can say is THANK YOU to our jackass friends at the FDA. PF companies had better sit up & take notice……START TESTING THOSE FRIGGIN VITAMINS FROM CHINA!!!!!!!!!! Otherwise, not only will more pets die but people will start dropping.

  19. Maureen says:

    Haven’t many people mentioned over the past months that they found black hard chunks in their pets’ food, both in kibble and canned food?

    Perhaps this vitamin-mineral premix is similar to the “amino acid” product that the FDA is talking about. That was being sent for animal feed, I believe.

    Donna’s story and her conversation with Natura about the chunks being the vitamin-mineral premix makes it more understandable that the same pet food can vary so widely when tested.

    This just keeps getting worse. There is no safe commercial pet food. My cat had better make the switch faster to all home cooked. He’s been on Innova/Evo kibble to supplement his diet.

  20. Linda says:

    Does anyone know if honest kitchen products are o.k? I haven’t been on this site for some time and now am reading about Natura, I’ve been feeding half ca nat. kibble and half home cooked, but wanted to try honest kitchen dehydrated.

  21. Ruth says:

    So what’s going on?? Is this the second wave of finding more crap in the “SAFE” food??

    And the pet food companies and FDA keeps saying the pet food is SAFE to eat. What a bunch of idiots.
    Its no wonder the FDA doesn’t want consumers to test the food. Then they turn and try to discredit the labs that test it.

  22. Captn' Carl says:

    Just to show that there can indeed be an upside to all of these problems and warnings: While at the local Dominick’s Food store yesterday, I was unable to find an ingredient for home made dry dog food. Specifically “Brewer’s Yeast”. I asked the on duty Pharmacist if they had any in stock, and he walked with me to the vitamin and health food aisle and looked.

    I remarked that all I was able to find on the shelves was a product called “Rice Red Yeast”, he told me; you don’t want that, that comes from China!

    Hat’s off to an astute Pharmacist who realizes the gravity of this situation.

    He ordered the “Brewers Yeast” for me and I’ll pick it up in about an hour.

    Sometimes the message really does get through and surprisingly enough to those who are in a position to do something about it in a positive way!

    Thanks to Carl at Dominick’s - You are one of the good guys with the white hats! Two thumbs up.

  23. Pukanuba says:


    I had some samples of Honest Kitchen…..I mixed up a batch, gave it to my dog & as fast as it went down, it came right back up. Now I’m certainly not saying that there is anything wrong with it but it didn’t agree with my dog. Try to get samples first. It isn’t cheap.

    I don’t know where to turn these days. I’m afraid now of all animal food out there & I’m also concerned about giving my dog her vitamins every day. What IF they come from China…..are they contaminated?

    Then we don’t know how safe our meat supply is…..sorry but I don’t believe the FDA & their BS dilution factor……so I’m feeding my dog our food which may also not be all that safe. Not only do we have to eat but so do our animals. This truly sucks…..

  24. Pukanuba says:

    Maureen posted this earlier but a paragraph just jumped out at me. Did anyone else notice the symptoms that go along with an OD of Vitamin D?

    “Royal Canin said in a release it voluntarily withdrew seven canned products as a precaution because the food contained elevated levels of vitamin D3, which causes loss of appetite, lethargy, excessive drinking and urination in pets.

    A supplier of the vitamin-mineral premix was responsible for the error, the release said.”

    O M G !

  25. Cathy says:

    I just received a letter from Nutro about my claim.

    “We have concluded our detailed review of your claim for reimbursement of your expenses. From our evaluation of the veterinarian’s diagnosis, we found no indication that the cause of illness and subsequent death is related to our product. As such, we cannot in good conscience concede any responsiblity for your pet’s condition.”

    Well, how do ya like that! Funny thing is, they have never contacted my vet and I only sent them a cover letter explaining what happened and copies of vet bills - no diagnosis information. Where they got the diagnosis is beyond me. Seems to me that the whole ‘good conscience’ thing is their problem.

  26. Carol says:

    “Cathy says:

    July 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pm

    Well, how do ya like that! Funny thing is, they have never contacted my vet and I only sent them a cover letter explaining what happened and copies of vet bills - no diagnosis information. Where they got the diagnosis is beyond me. Seems to me that the whole ‘good conscience’ thing is their problem.”

    Cathy, If I was you I would get a note from the vet staing they did not contact him/her and then provide that and a copy of the letter from the company and send it to the press–your local newspaper, or your local tv stations—I’m a firm believer in making waves when things are unfair, immoral, etc. Do no let this rest. It’s not about the reimbursement as you know, it’s about accountability and the fact that your PET COUNTED!! Good Luck.

  27. Barb, GSD MOM says:

    WHAT THE FUDGE? I am slowly weaning three dogs to Innova Evo….from Canidae–should just stay where I am at until this mess clears up. Anyone have any more info? Is everyone freaking out for nothing? Yikes…I miss Itchmo for a couple of days and yikes, again.


  28. Barb, GSD MOM says:

    Pukanuba–what are you feeding now? Geezzzz..here I though the Innova was an excellent food. My dogs LOVE the taste–it is between the EVO and TimberWolf. Now this crap———-I am frustrated and a bit upset here.

  29. doggiedolittle says:

    Many dog foods that you all are complaining about are still on the store shelves. I feed my cats innova and there’s no problems.

    If this person had the Innova tested as she said she did, and really found what she said she found in the food, she would be rich. Because that should be a lawsuit in the works. How do we know this is true? How do we know that this person doesn’t work for some other pet food company trying to put a scare into keeping you from buying a good quality food. You can’t believe every single thing you read on the INTERNET or you will loose your minds…

    My cats coats have never felt so soft and there poops are nice… Get real people…

  30. Pukanuba says:

    doggiedolittle: I think if you go to Don’s website, chances are the lab report is over there. I don’t believe everything I read on the internet but I certainly believe what Don & all the others have to say on his website. I think there is a genuine problem & we still haven’t gotten to the bottom of it. If you haven’t had any problems with your animals, I think you are very lucky. But watch out on that next bag or can.

    Barb: I’m feeding a very small amount of Canidae chicken & rice dry & the rest is home cooked. I think I might go to all home cooked but I don’t know what to do about vitamins. Somebody mentioned baby vitamins but if China is making the majority of vitamins, I wouldn’t think our vitamins would be any safer than our pets. They already found contaminated amino acid which makes me wonder how many of our vitamins are imported from China & how do we find out which ones they are?

    I can’t remember exactly what it was I read but one of the vitamins (C maybe?) is made exclusively in China. Their low prices have forced a lot of American manufacturers out of business. Great, just great.

  31. Barb, GSD MOM says:


    I am still feeding my dogs Canidae, but they really hate the food. I tried them on the Evo and they love it. I also add home cooked to the dry–very leery of the vitamins. I will NOT give my dogs any vitamins..shoot..I don’t even take them. Sounds like you’re doing everything you can for your animals. This whole thing is very upsetting.

  32. Barb, GSD MOM says:


    I am still feeding my dogs Canidae, but they really hate the food. I tried them on the Evo and they love it. I also add home cooked to the dry–very leery of the vitamins. I will NOT give my dogs any vitamins..shoot..I don’t even take them. Sounds like you’re doing everything you can for your animals.

  33. doggiedolittle says:

    Dogs don’t need all those vitamins in the food. That is all a gimic, dog’s need mostly meat but they don’t need all those extra vitamins you see in dog food…

    Give them chicken breast, ground turkey, ground beef, salmon in rotation. Then give them some green beans or cauliflour, carrots in rotation. Then add an egg now and then. Throw in some flax seed meal. Oh,, don’t forget the carbs. They can have a potatoe or sweet potatoe… too, and that’s all they need.

  34. Trudy Jackson says:

    On MSNBC, I think it is. -Veggie Booty being recalled? some kind of snack food?

  35. nthstarr1 says:


    Unfortunately I do not have any of the Evo I fed…. I know, stupid but it is a long story… Fyi, I do recall wondering if my cats were drinking a bit more than usual but not an extreme obvious excess like constant hanging over the waterbowl. Of course, I can rationalize that my cats would have consumed more water anyhow due to the vomiting/ fluid loss or maybe it was just the change in food as you mentioned.

    Good luck with your cats, hopefully they will all be ok and in good health.

  36. Cathy says:

    Carol, I’m not done yet. All dogs (and cats) are worth it.

  37. Leslie k says:

    If the vitamin premix and/or vitamins have a problem then there is no safe commercial petfood. It doesn’t matter if its wet,dry or raw.They all add vitamins. All 5 of mine love the Cal natural. The cats have had no problems,the dogs are still vomitting, eating grass & having the runs occasionally. Now I wonder if its when they get some chunks of unmixed vitamins. Had a bag of Pur 1 sens system dry adult dog tested & it had excess vit e in it & loose in the bag. Guess I’ll be cooking even more. Anybody have good cat treat recipes ? I’ve tried several & 1 cat won’t touch them.

  38. Cathy says:

    Are we (the people posting here) the only ones who have had pets with vomiting and diarrhea and medical problems? My dog is dead. Through strange circumstances, I’m fostering a stray. She’s been heaving after she eats. I’ve tried several different foods. She was probably better off on the street eating trash.

  39. thomas says:

    I am sick over hering about ca na I have been feeeding it and inn treats and have 2 dogs drinking in excess and on of those 2 has very strong smelling urine. I am going to home cooked. Enough is enough!!!!

    Trudy you are right about veggie booty , it is posted on the FDA web site. They say the company is Roberts Gourmet Foods but they decline to say where the product is manufactured , or who the contractor is. Lets see if we can figure it out. What is the FDA trying to hide and who are they protecting this time? It certainly is not the public, the consumer. They must still be protecting big businesses!!!

  40. thomas says:

    I think my spelling as in the above post is getting worse , maybe from worrying about my pets. First sentence last post word should be hereing not hering also tried to abbreviate foods.

  41. JJ in IL says:

    Donna I’m very thankful I read the link with your test results on it. Today I returned the bag of Karma that I just bought last wed. as it is made by the same co. that makes Innova. My dog has been eating an unusual amount of grass to make herself throw-up whatever is not agreeing with her. As a start I have removed the Karma from her diet and will try the Evangers canned only and see if she stops this huge amount of grass eating. Just so thankful that she is not being contaminated any further from this food that they stand behind and gurantee 100% per their website? And the answer to you that they had not tested it cause the batches they do test do not test positive for melamine so they feel no need to test for anything else. Well I for one sincerely look forward to their answers to you as I too felt this was a safe pet food but now cannot take any chances. I just can not thank you enough.

  42. Pukanuba says:

    I also noticed my dog has been eating grass lately…..something she has never done before. So no more multi-vitamins & have backed off the small amount of dry food to see if that helps. Just a little concerned that vitamins or vitamin pre-mix that pet food manufacturers use may contain something they shouldn’t…..or maybe too much of one vitamin like what happened a few yrs back with RC. All the same symptoms as what’s going on this time.

    If everyone is getting their vitamins from China, I fear for all our animals & all of us. We could all be in deep doo-doo!!!!!!!!

    I think the PF companies are probably the ones that led all of us to believe that we could never provide the proper nutrition for our babies…..that they know so much better than we do. Well, they proved that to be BS……I’m a little afraid of those multi-vitamins right now so I’ll just continue home cooking, no vitamins.

    I give her protein, carbs & veggies plus a little flax oil in the morn & a fish oil gel tab in the evening & ground egg shell. Her coat shines like you wouldn’t believe (people always ask what I feed her) & her energy knows no bounds….she’s young but if something was missing from her diet, it would either show in her coat or her energy……at least that’s what I think.

    As long as she’s doing as well as she is now, I guess I can forget the vitamins. I’ll be curious to hear what the people at Natura say…..if they will be honest & go public with the info.

  43. Donna says:

    JJ in IL - please share the details of your experience with your dog eating more grass while on a specific dog food. We are collecting stories to help with research we are doing; trying to find common threads in what is making pets sick on non-recalled foods. Send any info you think will be helpful to pfr07ps (at) gmail.com


  44. Steve M. says:


    Thank you for posting your story on Don’s site. I was under the impression,
    as many were, that Natura was different. I have been feeding my cat that survived
    the Hill’s poisoning, Innova and California Natural (both Natura products).
    I thought she was doing good on them, but regardless my wife returned the remaining
    product I had this morning and made sure to inform the store owner about your experience.
    It is very dissapointing because it is hard to get my cat to eat anything other
    than dry food.

    Your reference to the representative commenting to you three weeks after you submitted
    the sample and claiming to have no knowledge of any issues with their food and finding
    that the food sample was sitting on the persons desk you mailed it to made me laugh,
    only because I haved regularly commented that I thought the samples I sent to Hill’s
    and the FDA were probably sitting under someones office desk (The 7 pounds I sent
    to Hill’s either probably made it to the dumpster by now, or more likely was
    processed back into the food production line). You know I never heard one word from
    Hill’s since I submitted that sample to them on May 31st. Guess like Natura
    they just except that the FDA says there is no problem and go on with business as
    usual. They IMO have revealed themselves as no better than Hill’s or any of
    the other big manufacturers and I am sorry I gave them my business.

    And BTW to poster doggiedolittle: Ignorance is bliss baby! Just shut down the computer
    and don’t bother to read anymore. Afterall I’m sure that all the people
    posting lab results and sharing their stories are just a bunch of cranks with time,
    money,and energy to waste to discredit pet food manufacturers. Wow it’s just
    so much fun you know.

  45. Donna says:

    Steve M,
    I just wish the reporters would pick up the storyline of response issues with pet food companies. Your experience with Hill’s would be enlightening reading.

  46. Linda says:

    I am officially through with commercial pet food. I am now searching for vitamins. A company in VT has been very helpful, they will send samples, I may send it out for testing though before I give it to the dog!

  47. Don Earl says:

    I spoke with the folks at ExperTox today. They’ve been busy since the LA Times piece ran and several more acetaminophen positive samples have turned up as a result.

    But, hey, what do we know? I guess being one of the few labs in the country with unknown toxin scan capabilities, we just picked the wrong one.

    Which leaves the question: Why is everyone else testing for a single substance which is known to be virtually nontoxic?

  48. E. Hamilton says:

    Don, I guess it is easy enough to start with the answer you want and make the tests that will give that answer, while carefully avoiding anything that might tell the TRUTH, as long as you have NO ethics and these lying bastids certainly are not overburdened with the ethics.

    I tell the story about the FDA sneaking around to get samples AFTER they had announced the BIG LIE to everyone I can.

    Go Don GO!

  49. Don Earl says:

    Yes, well… for all the China bashing lately, their solution for dealing with FDA corruption is the best I’ve seen. If Sundloft’s head decorated a pole in front of FDA headquarters, I believe it would serve as a wonderfully strong motivation to the morally flexible to keep it honest.

  50. E. Hamilton says:

    Don, you sweet talker you! Have you been peeping my dreams?
    I have a little list of heads I would enjoy seeing on a stick!

    China bashing is not the answer and I truly thought that the reducing of the factory to rubble before the (useless) FDA arrived was a GREAT response.
    The fast execution , also a nice touch.

    I am spending a fortune in printer ink with all the copies of the news I get asked for, people WANT the truth and they know they aint gonna get it from the fed.

    Keep hammering Don!

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