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	<title>Comments on: Vick To Talk On Tom Joyner Radio Show About Dog Fighting Case; Falcons Want $22 Million Back</title>
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		<title>By: L.B.</title>
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		<author>L.B.</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right, it has nothing to do with race, it's about the humanity of the person.  The irony of the parallels between both gross injustices (slavery and dogfighting) seems to be lost on some people.  (Including Vick himself, Tom Joyner &#38; his crew, the NAACP to some extent, etc.)  Deliberate cruelty and brutality is just wrong, whether the victim is a human being or an animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, it has nothing to do with race, it&#8217;s about the humanity of the person.  The irony of the parallels between both gross injustices (slavery and dogfighting) seems to be lost on some people.  (Including Vick himself, Tom Joyner &amp; his crew, the NAACP to some extent, etc.)  Deliberate cruelty and brutality is just wrong, whether the victim is a human being or an animal.</p>
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		<title>By: menusux</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/vick-to-talk-on-tom-joyner-radio-show-about-dog-fighting-case-falcons-want-22-million-back-2494#comment-51066</link>
		<author>menusux</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's interesting about this is that some of Vick's defenders have been inferring that it IS a race issue when it most certainly is not.  It has ZERO to do with the color of someone's skin--it has EVERYTHING to do with the person inside that skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting about this is that some of Vick&#8217;s defenders have been inferring that it IS a race issue when it most certainly is not.  It has ZERO to do with the color of someone&#8217;s skin&#8211;it has EVERYTHING to do with the person inside that skin.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/vick-to-talk-on-tom-joyner-radio-show-about-dog-fighting-case-falcons-want-22-million-back-2494#comment-50951</link>
		<author>Lynn</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC:

I'm sure that nearly everyone posting on this website will indeed agree that this is an animal cruelty issue. No question there. If a nun had done what Vick did we would certainly be just as angry. 

Race/culture is an indirect issue, although I have not seen one person posting on this website who pointed a finger directly at Blacks. [It is simply coicidental that news lately has been of Blacks associated with Pit Bulls or dog fighting.] 

Regardless of the origin of dog-fighting, present-day practices in the US find it most prevalent in impoverished neighborhoods where gangs thrive. These neighborhoods may be heavily populated by Blacks or by Latinos or Asians or other ethnic groups or a combinatin thereof. Dog fighting has become an easy way for a kid to make a buck with street dog fighting. We know that gangs reside within lowest income neighborhoods.  A study by the Chicago PD revealed that over 60% of all those arrested for involvement with dog fighting had gang affiliations. 

The mention of slave masters is really just a fall out of the recent news [Blacks and dog fights]; any reference to slave abuse [so-called property] and dog abuse [so-called property] is not meant to imply that dog fighting is strictly associated to those of African ancestry.  Not by a long shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that nearly everyone posting on this website will indeed agree that this is an animal cruelty issue. No question there. If a nun had done what Vick did we would certainly be just as angry. </p>
<p>Race/culture is an indirect issue, although I have not seen one person posting on this website who pointed a finger directly at Blacks. [It is simply coicidental that news lately has been of Blacks associated with Pit Bulls or dog fighting.] </p>
<p>Regardless of the origin of dog-fighting, present-day practices in the US find it most prevalent in impoverished neighborhoods where gangs thrive. These neighborhoods may be heavily populated by Blacks or by Latinos or Asians or other ethnic groups or a combinatin thereof. Dog fighting has become an easy way for a kid to make a buck with street dog fighting. We know that gangs reside within lowest income neighborhoods.  A study by the Chicago PD revealed that over 60% of all those arrested for involvement with dog fighting had gang affiliations. </p>
<p>The mention of slave masters is really just a fall out of the recent news [Blacks and dog fights]; any reference to slave abuse [so-called property] and dog abuse [so-called property] is not meant to imply that dog fighting is strictly associated to those of African ancestry.  Not by a long shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<author>Diane</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the best way you can show how you feel is just not to listen to this show.  Let this creep fade into well-deserved obscurity as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the best way you can show how you feel is just not to listen to this show.  Let this creep fade into well-deserved obscurity as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: keciacat</title>
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		<author>keciacat</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that we are not hearing that it is a "cultural thing" dontcha know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that we are not hearing that it is a &#8220;cultural thing&#8221; dontcha know!</p>
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		<title>By: mittens</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/vick-to-talk-on-tom-joyner-radio-show-about-dog-fighting-case-falcons-want-22-million-back-2494#comment-50878</link>
		<author>mittens</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it used to be that if allowed yourself to be disrespected and exploited, say , like paris hilton you were nothing more than a cheap tart best suited to the street corner and headed straight for the gutter sooner than later. now her ilk are lavished with attention and praise-filming yourself and your boyfriend both acting like self loathing whores-here! have a tv show!. youre a drug dealing, gang banger with a lengthy police record littered with violent offenses-here, have a recording contract!

this same lack of control and  negation of self respect is now glorified, marketed and blazed across screens , burned into cds across the world. the flip side is the likewise complete lack of respect for other humans and for other lives.the glorified hoochie momma personae of paris and the arrogant , entitled thug insistence of the right to participate in cruel criminal behavior- like dog fighting-are coins mint from the very same realm.

it's like we're in hell and i'm not even a christian. there are no values. everyone's own higher power is their self and their own will. if there are consequences for one's actions, there's always an excuse, usually an accusation directed toward other people: "i'm just being prosecuted because i'm black, latino, poor etc etc" .no one bothers to even claim they didn't do whatever. they head straight for "mommy /daddy beat me", "whitey is out to get me" and the victim "wanted it anyway or doesn't warrant concern because theyre not as human or important as i am ".

dog fighting and it's abysmal cruelty and out right barbarism is merely another expression of the evil gang culture that's been celebrated and exploited for its huge cash making abilities and has become, over the past 15 or so years, ingrained at the center of popular american culture so much so it can be used as a plausible excuse for bad, criminal behavior. it's part of someone's "underground" and therefore legit culture one has no right to criticize let alone bring charges against. drug dealers, murderers and rapists are extolled, women are there for you to pleasure yourself off of and to belong you have to be more deadly, more brutal, more viciously butch then the next guy. and it's all ok because ' the man' doesn't let you make it any other way but to be a conscienceless robothug. the raping, the blood, the torture, the beatings and the killings involved in dog fighting that we are so rightly enraged and appalled at are also directed at humans- something that should always be in the front of our minds when we look at a case like vicks. somewhere in the usa someone, like a member of MS 13, is doing the same thing to someone's son or daughter not 'just' to a dog.

 with his expensive threads, polished looks and high priced lawyers vick is nothing but a well scripted and scrubbed cretin- a  lowlife gangster and a bully. trash with cash. the vicks and ,to a less destructive though no less pathetic and demeaning manner  the hiltons, are an example of the rot that is presented as success , achievement in our culture- models of behavior that elicit lots of attention and generate the mad benjamins. who wants to be the next malcolm x, the next martin luther king jr when you can  be knee deep in bitches and hos and have every material possession and do whatever you want to whomever you want? it's all about values and because we do not celebrate education, self sacrifice to higher good ,self respect and the ethical treatment of others we have the obverse : the debauchery , insanity and violent social unrest before rome was sacked for the final time , throwing an entire globe spanning culture into the dark ages.

 that anyone can defend vick with a straight face in a manner similar to the defense of OJ just proves we are ,i suppose, already in the dark and have been there for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it used to be that if allowed yourself to be disrespected and exploited, say , like paris hilton you were nothing more than a cheap tart best suited to the street corner and headed straight for the gutter sooner than later. now her ilk are lavished with attention and praise-filming yourself and your boyfriend both acting like self loathing whores-here! have a tv show!. youre a drug dealing, gang banger with a lengthy police record littered with violent offenses-here, have a recording contract!</p>
<p>this same lack of control and  negation of self respect is now glorified, marketed and blazed across screens , burned into cds across the world. the flip side is the likewise complete lack of respect for other humans and for other lives.the glorified hoochie momma personae of paris and the arrogant , entitled thug insistence of the right to participate in cruel criminal behavior- like dog fighting-are coins mint from the very same realm.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s like we&#8217;re in hell and i&#8217;m not even a christian. there are no values. everyone&#8217;s own higher power is their self and their own will. if there are consequences for one&#8217;s actions, there&#8217;s always an excuse, usually an accusation directed toward other people: &#8220;i&#8217;m just being prosecuted because i&#8217;m black, latino, poor etc etc&#8221; .no one bothers to even claim they didn&#8217;t do whatever. they head straight for &#8220;mommy /daddy beat me&#8221;, &#8220;whitey is out to get me&#8221; and the victim &#8220;wanted it anyway or doesn&#8217;t warrant concern because theyre not as human or important as i am &#8220;.</p>
<p>dog fighting and it&#8217;s abysmal cruelty and out right barbarism is merely another expression of the evil gang culture that&#8217;s been celebrated and exploited for its huge cash making abilities and has become, over the past 15 or so years, ingrained at the center of popular american culture so much so it can be used as a plausible excuse for bad, criminal behavior. it&#8217;s part of someone&#8217;s &#8220;underground&#8221; and therefore legit culture one has no right to criticize let alone bring charges against. drug dealers, murderers and rapists are extolled, women are there for you to pleasure yourself off of and to belong you have to be more deadly, more brutal, more viciously butch then the next guy. and it&#8217;s all ok because &#8216; the man&#8217; doesn&#8217;t let you make it any other way but to be a conscienceless robothug. the raping, the blood, the torture, the beatings and the killings involved in dog fighting that we are so rightly enraged and appalled at are also directed at humans- something that should always be in the front of our minds when we look at a case like vicks. somewhere in the usa someone, like a member of MS 13, is doing the same thing to someone&#8217;s son or daughter not &#8216;just&#8217; to a dog.</p>
<p> with his expensive threads, polished looks and high priced lawyers vick is nothing but a well scripted and scrubbed cretin- a  lowlife gangster and a bully. trash with cash. the vicks and ,to a less destructive though no less pathetic and demeaning manner  the hiltons, are an example of the rot that is presented as success , achievement in our culture- models of behavior that elicit lots of attention and generate the mad benjamins. who wants to be the next malcolm x, the next martin luther king jr when you can  be knee deep in bitches and hos and have every material possession and do whatever you want to whomever you want? it&#8217;s all about values and because we do not celebrate education, self sacrifice to higher good ,self respect and the ethical treatment of others we have the obverse : the debauchery , insanity and violent social unrest before rome was sacked for the final time , throwing an entire globe spanning culture into the dark ages.</p>
<p> that anyone can defend vick with a straight face in a manner similar to the defense of OJ just proves we are ,i suppose, already in the dark and have been there for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: ellie</title>
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		<author>ellie</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC, I think there's just an extra level of irony to the fact that SOME blacks are minimizing cruelty to animals--saying they're JUST dogs, just property--in the same way that SOME whites minimized cruelty to black slaves--saying they're JUST slaves, just property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC, I think there&#8217;s just an extra level of irony to the fact that SOME blacks are minimizing cruelty to animals&#8211;saying they&#8217;re JUST dogs, just property&#8211;in the same way that SOME whites minimized cruelty to black slaves&#8211;saying they&#8217;re JUST slaves, just property.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<author>BC</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on now....why all the reference to massa, slaves, owners????  This is not an African American issue, this is an animal cruelty issue and it doesn't matter if Vick is black, white or pink.........he's scum and he should suffer the same fate as those poor dogs did.  There is no excuse for dog fighting........none!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on now&#8230;.why all the reference to massa, slaves, owners????  This is not an African American issue, this is an animal cruelty issue and it doesn&#8217;t matter if Vick is black, white or pink&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;he&#8217;s scum and he should suffer the same fate as those poor dogs did.  There is no excuse for dog fighting&#8230;&#8230;..none!</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<author>Jean</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got to ask yourself   WHY   

WHY DOES MAN ENJOY THE SUFFERING AND WATCHING PAIN INFLICTED

THE TEARING OF FLESH AND THE CRUNCHING OF BONES

WHY DOES MAN ENJOY PUTTING AND WATCHING DOGS ON RAPE STANDS

WHY WOULD MAN HANG A DOG TO MAKE HIS NECK STRONG

WHERE IS LOVE    WHAT DOES GOD THINK ABOUT MAN

to do this ones soul is given over to the devil and the person is pure evil
this horror continues as man finds it entertaining and money making</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got to ask yourself   WHY   </p>
<p>WHY DOES MAN ENJOY THE SUFFERING AND WATCHING PAIN INFLICTED</p>
<p>THE TEARING OF FLESH AND THE CRUNCHING OF BONES</p>
<p>WHY DOES MAN ENJOY PUTTING AND WATCHING DOGS ON RAPE STANDS</p>
<p>WHY WOULD MAN HANG A DOG TO MAKE HIS NECK STRONG</p>
<p>WHERE IS LOVE    WHAT DOES GOD THINK ABOUT MAN</p>
<p>to do this ones soul is given over to the devil and the person is pure evil<br />
this horror continues as man finds it entertaining and money making</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<author>Lynn</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Massa Vick, just remember: What goes around, comes around. I eagerly anticipate news of your fate on Monday. 

Come on, Judge Hudson, make my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Massa Vick, just remember: What goes around, comes around. I eagerly anticipate news of your fate on Monday. </p>
<p>Come on, Judge Hudson, make my day.</p>
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		<title>By: theAsocialApe</title>
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		<author>theAsocialApe</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope vick gets shanked in prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope vick gets shanked in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: menusux</title>
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		<author>menusux</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But the fact that the victims were â€œonlyâ€ dogs makes it okay, right. Dogs donâ€™t feel pain or fear or panic. Oh, wait, they do,.. but itâ€™s okay because theyâ€™re â€œlessâ€ than human. "

Back in the days of slavery, it was considered that those who were enslaved were not human beings---same reasoning employed there.  There was much debate among various "religious" leaders at that time as to whether "Negroes" had souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the fact that the victims were â€œonlyâ€ dogs makes it okay, right. Dogs donâ€™t feel pain or fear or panic. Oh, wait, they do,.. but itâ€™s okay because theyâ€™re â€œlessâ€ than human. &#8221;</p>
<p>Back in the days of slavery, it was considered that those who were enslaved were not human beings&#8212;same reasoning employed there.  There was much debate among various &#8220;religious&#8221; leaders at that time as to whether &#8220;Negroes&#8221; had souls.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<author>Rose</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they get the $22 Million PLUS INTEREST!</description>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<author>Julie</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't even get me started on this one!  The dog fighting and killing are completely unacceptable!  And the fact that this is done for fun and profit?!  I agree with L.B.  Vick &#38; Co are hypocrites and cowards.  A good friend of mine has a pit bull mix that she got as a 5 month old puppy.  She was used as a bait dog and was in very bad shape when found.  We weren't even sure if she was going to pull through at the time.  She is now 2 1/2 years old and the sweetest girl you'll ever meet.  Thank goodness that at least she was taken out of that horrible place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started on this one!  The dog fighting and killing are completely unacceptable!  And the fact that this is done for fun and profit?!  I agree with L.B.  Vick &amp; Co are hypocrites and cowards.  A good friend of mine has a pit bull mix that she got as a 5 month old puppy.  She was used as a bait dog and was in very bad shape when found.  We weren&#8217;t even sure if she was going to pull through at the time.  She is now 2 1/2 years old and the sweetest girl you&#8217;ll ever meet.  Thank goodness that at least she was taken out of that horrible place!</p>
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		<title>By: L.B.</title>
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		<author>L.B.</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic, isn't it?  Vick &#38; Co as modern-day slave-masters.  Hypocrites &#38; cowards they are.  Takes a real big man to overpower, torment and control another living being who's at an unfair disadvantage.  Maybe he should be called Massa Vick from now on.
But the fact that the victims were "only" dogs makes it okay, right.  Dogs don't feel pain or fear or panic.  Oh, wait, they do,.. but it's okay because they're "less" than human.  And because they're less than human, humans have no moral obligation to protect them, contribute to their welfare, or keep them from harm; in fact, humans have every right to orchestrate their suffering for fun &#38; profit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic, isn&#8217;t it?  Vick &amp; Co as modern-day slave-masters.  Hypocrites &amp; cowards they are.  Takes a real big man to overpower, torment and control another living being who&#8217;s at an unfair disadvantage.  Maybe he should be called Massa Vick from now on.<br />
But the fact that the victims were &#8220;only&#8221; dogs makes it okay, right.  Dogs don&#8217;t feel pain or fear or panic.  Oh, wait, they do,.. but it&#8217;s okay because they&#8217;re &#8220;less&#8221; than human.  And because they&#8217;re less than human, humans have no moral obligation to protect them, contribute to their welfare, or keep them from harm; in fact, humans have every right to orchestrate their suffering for fun &amp; profit!</p>
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