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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30674</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Sandi. I thought to read it, it did not matter what the label said, whether Only Chicken or Turkey or not. They still found it.
Am I reading it right folks?

Horses? They 'blame' it on horses being put down going into the food too?
I don't know if I could possibly found out any stats on that or not but I just might try.

I can NOT Imagine that there are enough horses being put down in a weeks time, let's say, for it to begin to Show up in the amounts/levels people have found. No Way. Not in my mind or experiences. I could be wrong but-----

What is the real number of pet food plants? I've seen 3, I've seen 5 {the Biggies}??.

If you as Conservation/Park officers etc., something like this, If a Wild edible animal is "put down" can you eat the meat?
{not shot with a bullet type}, 
They will tell you NO, can't eat it.

Be-Cause of the medication in the darts etc and the sorts of medications used to put them to sleep.
{not that That happens everyday either}

Deer, Elk, Bear, etc. Doesn't matter as far as Ive Ever heard. You can't eat the meat. They don't allow it.

So why No and for Humans {or a pet} consumption, under Those circumstances????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Sandi. I thought to read it, it did not matter what the label said, whether Only Chicken or Turkey or not. They still found it.<br />
Am I reading it right folks?</p>
<p>Horses? They &#8216;blame&#8217; it on horses being put down going into the food too?<br />
I don&#8217;t know if I could possibly found out any stats on that or not but I just might try.</p>
<p>I can NOT Imagine that there are enough horses being put down in a weeks time, let&#8217;s say, for it to begin to Show up in the amounts/levels people have found. No Way. Not in my mind or experiences. I could be wrong but&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>What is the real number of pet food plants? I&#8217;ve seen 3, I&#8217;ve seen 5 {the Biggies}??.</p>
<p>If you as Conservation/Park officers etc., something like this, If a Wild edible animal is &#8220;put down&#8221; can you eat the meat?<br />
{not shot with a bullet type},<br />
They will tell you NO, can&#8217;t eat it.</p>
<p>Be-Cause of the medication in the darts etc and the sorts of medications used to put them to sleep.<br />
{not that That happens everyday either}</p>
<p>Deer, Elk, Bear, etc. Doesn&#8217;t matter as far as Ive Ever heard. You can&#8217;t eat the meat. They don&#8217;t allow it.</p>
<p>So why No and for Humans {or a pet} consumption, under Those circumstances????</p>
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		<title>By: sandi</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30577</link>
		<author>sandi</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I know about  ethoxoquin and fish.  A fisherman once told me that even fish for human consumption, is preserved asap with ethoxoquin.

If one checks all or most of the dog and cat food has some sort of fish in it, hard to avoid.

I think I confused the list, if a food cat or dog has only chicken in it,  has phenobarbitol been found in it??


Sandi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I know about  ethoxoquin and fish.  A fisherman once told me that even fish for human consumption, is preserved asap with ethoxoquin.</p>
<p>If one checks all or most of the dog and cat food has some sort of fish in it, hard to avoid.</p>
<p>I think I confused the list, if a food cat or dog has only chicken in it,  has phenobarbitol been found in it??</p>
<p>Sandi</p>
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		<title>By: YaYa</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30547</link>
		<author>YaYa</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30547</guid>
		<description>There are more websites than I could count, talking about the pentobarbital in Pet foods. 
Articles from magazines and papers for studies, tho I couldn't find any past 2003,tonite.
One Gent that was doing work for the Canadians and a book {you know that one: "Foods our dogs die for"}, he said, the FDA put him off over and over for copies of their "studies", even filed a Freedom of Info Act request, yet put him off for 5 years for it!!!

Seems they just work at the FDA to Hide stuff More than to FIND stuff, to me!

His site said that, Pentobarbital does Not Degrade during processing and that is one reason it's Still in the Foods once it's canned etc.

His or another site said that Drs. had also found that dogs being put to sleep for surgeries, were More Resistant to pentobarbital too, and need MORE to be put to sleep for the surgery, than what's considered Normal. Tolerance level was UP.

"Nope, nuthin' wrong here"
Cujo- Stephen King</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more websites than I could count, talking about the pentobarbital in Pet foods.<br />
Articles from magazines and papers for studies, tho I couldn&#8217;t find any past 2003,tonite.<br />
One Gent that was doing work for the Canadians and a book {you know that one: &#8220;Foods our dogs die for&#8221;}, he said, the FDA put him off over and over for copies of their &#8220;studies&#8221;, even filed a Freedom of Info Act request, yet put him off for 5 years for it!!!</p>
<p>Seems they just work at the FDA to Hide stuff More than to FIND stuff, to me!</p>
<p>His site said that, Pentobarbital does Not Degrade during processing and that is one reason it&#8217;s Still in the Foods once it&#8217;s canned etc.</p>
<p>His or another site said that Drs. had also found that dogs being put to sleep for surgeries, were More Resistant to pentobarbital too, and need MORE to be put to sleep for the surgery, than what&#8217;s considered Normal. Tolerance level was UP.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nope, nuthin&#8217; wrong here&#8221;<br />
Cujo- Stephen King</p>
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		<title>By: Buster</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30540</link>
		<author>Buster</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30540</guid>
		<description>So how did you get that job, Sundlof?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how did you get that job, Sundlof?</p>
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		<title>By: petslave</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30530</link>
		<author>petslave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30530</guid>
		<description>I hadn't heard that about ethoxyquin &#38; chickens, but that is also true for fish.  If the fish is not going into the human food supply, it HAS to be treated with ethoxyquin by law to preserve it until it gets processed.  This is done before it even gets to the pet food manufacturer, so it does not have to be listed on the label.  If you're feeding pet food with fish in it, make sure it's human grade to avoid the ethoxyquin.  

When my dogs were diagnosed with food allergies, I picked up a bag of Eukanuba catfish formula food at the vets (don't ask me why, I would normally never feed this stuff but I was kind of desparate to get them off their other food immediately).  When I got home, I read the label more completely &#38; sure nuff, ethoxyquin was in it.  Guess this was on top of the dose they put in at the fish processor's place!  I made an extra trip into town to get better food that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard that about ethoxyquin &amp; chickens, but that is also true for fish.  If the fish is not going into the human food supply, it HAS to be treated with ethoxyquin by law to preserve it until it gets processed.  This is done before it even gets to the pet food manufacturer, so it does not have to be listed on the label.  If you&#8217;re feeding pet food with fish in it, make sure it&#8217;s human grade to avoid the ethoxyquin.  </p>
<p>When my dogs were diagnosed with food allergies, I picked up a bag of Eukanuba catfish formula food at the vets (don&#8217;t ask me why, I would normally never feed this stuff but I was kind of desparate to get them off their other food immediately).  When I got home, I read the label more completely &amp; sure nuff, ethoxyquin was in it.  Guess this was on top of the dose they put in at the fish processor&#8217;s place!  I made an extra trip into town to get better food that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30527</link>
		<author>Jan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30527</guid>
		<description>The ethoxyquin only has to be listed on the label if the company actually adds it into the food itself. But... chicken grown for pet food consumption are fed ethoxyquin by the chicken growers to preserve the meat after slaughter. This is used in non- human grade feeds. Soooo even though the label does not say the word ethoxyquin its in there via the chicken. labeling laws only make them label what the manufacturer puts in the bag or can, not what is put into the meat prior to the company using the meat.
again if the food does not state human grade, or organic or free range then guess what ITS IN THERE! and maybe a little acetemephene for some extra added kick! Bottom line if it isn't real food it shouldn't be in there period! And you wonder why dogs years ago only died of just simple old age. now they die of cancer, organ failure at young ages etc its all the chemicals that are killing them . I read years ago aboout ethoxyquin I believe it is actually a rubber stabilizer not a pesticide. It was originally used for the vulcanization of tires. kinda makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it. lets see we can drive our cars on it and feed it to our pets too! P.S. it is banned from the human food chain because of the cancer causing properties in it!But its ok for pet food&#62;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ethoxyquin only has to be listed on the label if the company actually adds it into the food itself. But&#8230; chicken grown for pet food consumption are fed ethoxyquin by the chicken growers to preserve the meat after slaughter. This is used in non- human grade feeds. Soooo even though the label does not say the word ethoxyquin its in there via the chicken. labeling laws only make them label what the manufacturer puts in the bag or can, not what is put into the meat prior to the company using the meat.<br />
again if the food does not state human grade, or organic or free range then guess what ITS IN THERE! and maybe a little acetemephene for some extra added kick! Bottom line if it isn&#8217;t real food it shouldn&#8217;t be in there period! And you wonder why dogs years ago only died of just simple old age. now they die of cancer, organ failure at young ages etc its all the chemicals that are killing them . I read years ago aboout ethoxyquin I believe it is actually a rubber stabilizer not a pesticide. It was originally used for the vulcanization of tires. kinda makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy doesn&#8217;t it. lets see we can drive our cars on it and feed it to our pets too! P.S. it is banned from the human food chain because of the cancer causing properties in it!But its ok for pet food&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30516</link>
		<author>Judy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30516</guid>
		<description>In response to Mittens post about the Ethoxyquin.  I don't know about the rest of them, but Iams does not have Ethoxyquin in any of their products.
They actually test for it to make sure it is not there.  As well as for Antibiotics, and now Melamine and Acetemetaphen.
Iams was the first company to do away with it and start using a natural preservative system.

I do know that SD does still use it because it is on the label.
They don't even try to hide it.

We need some regulations in this industry!

Being a cat and dog breeder of long standing, I have used Iams products long before the Eukanuba was even invented.  Throughout the years I have had nothing but wonderful results with these products.  Because I was so disgusted with them for even being part of the recall, I switched to other foods, but because they were the ones who threatened to blow the whistle on MF, if they didn't DO something, that they did redeem themselves in my eyes, and show that they do have some integrity after all.  I have since switched back to the dry Eukanuba products, because this is the only food that I can depend on to keep the weight on my girls even with large litters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Mittens post about the Ethoxyquin.  I don&#8217;t know about the rest of them, but Iams does not have Ethoxyquin in any of their products.<br />
They actually test for it to make sure it is not there.  As well as for Antibiotics, and now Melamine and Acetemetaphen.<br />
Iams was the first company to do away with it and start using a natural preservative system.</p>
<p>I do know that SD does still use it because it is on the label.<br />
They don&#8217;t even try to hide it.</p>
<p>We need some regulations in this industry!</p>
<p>Being a cat and dog breeder of long standing, I have used Iams products long before the Eukanuba was even invented.  Throughout the years I have had nothing but wonderful results with these products.  Because I was so disgusted with them for even being part of the recall, I switched to other foods, but because they were the ones who threatened to blow the whistle on MF, if they didn&#8217;t DO something, that they did redeem themselves in my eyes, and show that they do have some integrity after all.  I have since switched back to the dry Eukanuba products, because this is the only food that I can depend on to keep the weight on my girls even with large litters.</p>
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		<title>By: petslave</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30508</link>
		<author>petslave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30508</guid>
		<description>here's another provision just put into the upcoming farm bill that takes away local rights

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5698.cfm

"FARM BILL COULD HAMSTRING STATE FOOD SAFETY AGENCIES

Consumer, Environmental, Farmer and Animal Welfare Groups Protest Clause that Wipes Out State and Local Authority on Meat, Poultry, Biotechnology

Washington, June 19, 2007-Forty consumer, environmental, farmer and animal welfare groups today announced their opposition to a sweeping provision in the 2007 Farm Bill that wipes out critical state and local authority to protect food safety, the environment, and humane animal treatment.  The provision, Section 123 of Title I, was quietly inserted in the House bill several weeks ago by the Livestock, Dairy, and Poultry Subcommittee....

....."At a time when we have seen repeated food safety failures at FDA and USDA, we need more food safety protection, not less," states Jean Halloran, Director of Food Policy Initiatives at Consumers Union (publisher of Consumer Reports).  "This clause would tie the hands of states on meat, poultry and genetically engineered food," she said......"


This will then give all the power to you know who!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s another provision just put into the upcoming farm bill that takes away local rights</p>
<p><a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5698.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.or.....e_5698.cfm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;FARM BILL COULD HAMSTRING STATE FOOD SAFETY AGENCIES</p>
<p>Consumer, Environmental, Farmer and Animal Welfare Groups Protest Clause that Wipes Out State and Local Authority on Meat, Poultry, Biotechnology</p>
<p>Washington, June 19, 2007-Forty consumer, environmental, farmer and animal welfare groups today announced their opposition to a sweeping provision in the 2007 Farm Bill that wipes out critical state and local authority to protect food safety, the environment, and humane animal treatment.  The provision, Section 123 of Title I, was quietly inserted in the House bill several weeks ago by the Livestock, Dairy, and Poultry Subcommittee&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;..&#8221;At a time when we have seen repeated food safety failures at FDA and USDA, we need more food safety protection, not less,&#8221; states Jean Halloran, Director of Food Policy Initiatives at Consumers Union (publisher of Consumer Reports).  &#8220;This clause would tie the hands of states on meat, poultry and genetically engineered food,&#8221; she said&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This will then give all the power to you know who!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30506</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Stunning Record Of Secrecy And Corruption, Of Cronyism Run Amok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Stunning Record Of Secrecy And Corruption, Of Cronyism Run Amok</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30491</link>
		<author>Katie</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30491</guid>
		<description>FDA - more lies, more spin and don't worry it's the dilution... I'm sure the PFI is really worried that all the Independent testing just might turn up more than acetominophen. All these years, all the "c**p" that has been dumped into pet food. I'm sure they have been saying their prayers hoping we never find out the truth.  And Monsanto; how can a company be so unethical and so depleted of morals.  Seeing the FDA and Monsanto working together sends chills down the spine.

Katie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDA - more lies, more spin and don&#8217;t worry it&#8217;s the dilution&#8230; I&#8217;m sure the PFI is really worried that all the Independent testing just might turn up more than acetominophen. All these years, all the &#8220;c**p&#8221; that has been dumped into pet food. I&#8217;m sure they have been saying their prayers hoping we never find out the truth.  And Monsanto; how can a company be so unethical and so depleted of morals.  Seeing the FDA and Monsanto working together sends chills down the spine.</p>
<p>Katie</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30488</link>
		<author>thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should http://www.senate.gov/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should <a href="http://www.senate.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/</a></p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30487</link>
		<author>thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30487</guid>
		<description>In my previous message the senate was left out http://senate.gov/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my previous message the senate was left out <a href="http://senate.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://senate.gov/</a></p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30486</link>
		<author>thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30486</guid>
		<description>One of the things we can do whether it will do any good quetionable go to http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdafarmbill? 
We can read the proposed farm bill for 2007. We can contact our federal senators http:www.senate.gov/ and our members of the house http://www.house.gov/ and tell them what we like and don't like. we can also contact the House and Senate Agriculture comittees and voice our concerns over the lack of food safety for humans and pets. THE FOARM ACT 2007 IS SUPPOSED TO BE VOTED ON NEXT WEEK.

We can ask for more funding for organic food and that the requiements for food to be called organic become stronger for organic labeling  not weaker as they have proposed. We can ask that the farm subsidies be  changed so they help the smaller farms and not the agribusunesses. I don't know if people are aware that food stamps come out of the usda budget and many times the poor suffer to further line the pockets of the large wealthy farms. 

If you want to see the injustices of the farm subsidy system go to  http://www.ewg.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things we can do whether it will do any good quetionable go to <a href="http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdafarmbill?" rel="nofollow">http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdafarmbill?</a><br />
We can read the proposed farm bill for 2007. We can contact our federal senators http:www.senate.gov/ and our members of the house <a href="http://www.house.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/</a> and tell them what we like and don&#8217;t like. we can also contact the House and Senate Agriculture comittees and voice our concerns over the lack of food safety for humans and pets. THE FOARM ACT 2007 IS SUPPOSED TO BE VOTED ON NEXT WEEK.</p>
<p>We can ask for more funding for organic food and that the requiements for food to be called organic become stronger for organic labeling  not weaker as they have proposed. We can ask that the farm subsidies be  changed so they help the smaller farms and not the agribusunesses. I don&#8217;t know if people are aware that food stamps come out of the usda budget and many times the poor suffer to further line the pockets of the large wealthy farms. </p>
<p>If you want to see the injustices of the farm subsidy system go to  <a href="http://www.ewg.org." rel="nofollow">http://www.ewg.org.</a></p>
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		<title>By: 3FURS</title>
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		<author>3FURS</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noaha's Arc is in that slop, cats n rats n elephants n maybe even a unicorn. then it's compressed, cut in different shapes and each has their own flavour sprayed on, and of course the dyes added. That why a can of beef dog stew leaves a fishy odor on a dog's breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noaha&#8217;s Arc is in that slop, cats n rats n elephants n maybe even a unicorn. then it&#8217;s compressed, cut in different shapes and each has their own flavour sprayed on, and of course the dyes added. That why a can of beef dog stew leaves a fishy odor on a dog&#8217;s breath.</p>
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		<title>By: sandi</title>
		<link>http://www.itchmo.com/why-toxins-in-pet-food-is-nothing-new-1166#comment-30460</link>
		<author>sandi</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you answered my thoughts.  My first reaction, why would a dog or cat food that has only chicken or turkey show phenobarbitol.  It, does, prove to me, if this is so, that , perhaps other sources of meat are being used.  Like cats, dogs, etc.

Meat byproducts, another one.

Sandi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you answered my thoughts.  My first reaction, why would a dog or cat food that has only chicken or turkey show phenobarbitol.  It, does, prove to me, if this is so, that , perhaps other sources of meat are being used.  Like cats, dogs, etc.</p>
<p>Meat byproducts, another one.</p>
<p>Sandi</p>
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